DUST Search - [Bug] Loot in PC matches

CCP Nullarbor wrote:

JW v Weingarten wrote:

CCP FoxFour wrote:

Hey guys,

The end of match screen currently will only show you a maximum of 5 items but you will actually get far more than that. There is a fix coming in Uprising 1.2 for the way this gets reported so you should hopefully see all the salvage you get soon.

I got a question about the salvage system.

I am a tanker and during PC battles i blow up a lot of tanks but i have yet to receive any HAV or HAV modules from salvage.
All i get is infantry gear i cant use and my teammates are getting HAV and vehicle modules they cant use.

Is this a glitch/bug or CCP's way of trolling me? :p

Quote:

if character.name == "JW v Weingarten":
....salvage = None

But seriously, we share the loot evenly between the team based on the time they spent on the battle. Planetary conquest is a team game not an individual game, so the fact that you killed lots of tanks should be rewarded with praise from your comrades.

Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match.

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Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 603	Posted - 2013.06.09 09:12:00 - [1] - Quote I contacted support about this, but despite them telling me there is no bug, I strongly believe there is. This is what the Planetary Conquest wiki has to say regarding loot: Quote: At the end of a corporation battle each side is given loot based on what the other side lost during the battle. Yes, this does also include Aurum equipment. There are two steps to this. The first step is figuring out what loot is lost and what loot is kept. The default drop chance of an item is 50%. The drop chance is also applied per item, not per stack of items. After figuring out what survives the fight it is distributed to the teams. Corporation A will receive loot based on what Corporation B lost, and Corporation B will receive loot based on what Corporation A lost. The loot is then divided among the team members who were in the match for more than 60 seconds and based on how long they have been in the fight. What items each person gets is randomized. Kills, deaths, and war points are all ignored and the distribution is based purely on how long the members were in the match. People that came and left the match will get loot so long as they were in the match for more than 60 seconds. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_Conquest#Loot_drop So basically your team should on average get 50% of everything the other team loses in a match (excluding any BPOs according to support). Since there's a 50% drop chance on every single item, your team could end up with more or less than 50% in some matches, but on average it will be 50%. Lets use some numbers. If everyone on a team uses 10 items on their fittings (this might even be a low number, as I for example use closer to 15 items on my fittings) and their team dies 100 times in total, that's 1000 lost items in total. On average the other team would then get 500 items, which would be distritubed evenly to the 16 players on the team (if all those 16 players were in the match from the start). Each player would in this example then get about 31 items each. Now, support did say that BPOs aren't dropped as loot in any way, but as PC matches are highly competitive and everyone is using Prototype gear I find it highly unlikely that many BPOs would be used at all, since they are Militia or Standard gear. So according to my example above a player should on average receive about 30 items for a match, yet I or anyone else I've talked with have never received more than 5-10 items in a match. Even in matches where we cloned the other team by killing all of their 150 clones we have never received more than about 10 items, even though we should've received something like 45 items for such a match (150 deaths * 10 items per fitting / 2 / 16 = about 47 items to each player).
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. CRONOS. 404	Posted - 2013.06.09 09:24:00 - [2] - Quote your math is bad. I would say on average players use between 12 and 13 "items" a match if you only count the suits and no vehiculs, and the dispersion of suits is even, a team with more heavies will have a lower ammount a team with more logi's higher. beyond that they have not revealed all of the calculations involved in the reward system.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 699	Posted - 2013.06.20 20:15:00 - [3] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: your math is bad. I would say on average players use between 12 and 13 "items" a match if you only count the suits and no vehiculs, and the dispersion of suits is even, a team with more heavies will have a lower ammount a team with more logi's higher. beyond that they have not revealed all of the calculations involved in the reward system. They have explicitly said that you get 50% of the destroyed gear from the enemy team. His calculations aren't exact but a low estimation using easy numbers and the over-arching result is the same - salvage payout in PC matches is way too low. Come to think of it, in the handful of PC matches I took part in, we killed over 100 clones and I only got 3-4 pieces of salvage for each. If you reverse engineer that number, that equates to a drop rate of ~5-6%.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 24348	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:26:00 - [4] - Quote Hey guys, The end of match screen currently will only show you a maximum of 5 items but you will actually get far more than that. There is a fix coming in Uprising 1.2 for the way this gets reported so you should hopefully see all the salvage you get soon.

JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:33:00 - [5] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey guys, The end of match screen currently will only show you a maximum of 5 items but you will actually get far more than that. There is a fix coming in Uprising 1.2 for the way this gets reported so you should hopefully see all the salvage you get soon. I got a question about the salvage system. I am a tanker and during PC battles i blow up a lot of tanks but i have yet to receive any HAV or HAV modules from salvage. All i get is infantry gear i cant use and my teammates are getting HAV and vehicle modules they cant use. Is this a glitch/bug or CCP's way of trolling me? :p

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1488	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:37:00 - [6] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey guys, The end of match screen currently will only show you a maximum of 5 items but you will actually get far more than that. There is a fix coming in Uprising 1.2 for the way this gets reported so you should hopefully see all the salvage you get soon. I got a question about the salvage system. I am a tanker and during PC battles i blow up a lot of tanks but i have yet to receive any HAV or HAV modules from salvage. All i get is infantry gear i cant use and my teammates are getting HAV and vehicle modules they cant use. Is this a glitch/bug or CCP's way of trolling me? :p Quote: if character.name == "JW v Weingarten": ....salvage = None But seriously, we share the loot evenly between the team based on the time they spent on the battle. Planetary conquest is a team game not an individual game, so the fact that you killed lots of tanks should be rewarded with praise from your comrades. Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 612	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:40:00 - [7] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey guys, The end of match screen currently will only show you a maximum of 5 items but you will actually get far more than that. There is a fix coming in Uprising 1.2 for the way this gets reported so you should hopefully see all the salvage you get soon. That's good if it's true we actually get the right amount of items. The fix is also good so that we can see everything we get, so that we also know for sure we get the right amount of loot. Thanks for the update! CCP Nullarbor wrote: Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match. Thanks for this as well. Being able to trade/give the unsuable loot to your corp would be great!
G Torq ALTA B2O 167	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:46:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: But seriously, we share the loot evenly between the team based on the time they spent on the battle. Planetary conquest is a team game not an individual game, so the fact that you killed lots of tanks should be rewarded with praise from your comrades. Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match. An option to "simply" distribute loot based on gear used?
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:03:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: JW v Weingarten wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Hey guys, The end of match screen currently will only show you a maximum of 5 items but you will actually get far more than that. There is a fix coming in Uprising 1.2 for the way this gets reported so you should hopefully see all the salvage you get soon. I got a question about the salvage system. I am a tanker and during PC battles i blow up a lot of tanks but i have yet to receive any HAV or HAV modules from salvage. All i get is infantry gear i cant use and my teammates are getting HAV and vehicle modules they cant use. Is this a glitch/bug or CCP's way of trolling me? :p Quote: if character.name == "JW v Weingarten": ....salvage = None But seriously, we share the loot evenly between the team based on the time they spent on the battle. Planetary conquest is a team game not an individual game, so the fact that you killed lots of tanks should be rewarded with praise from your comrades. Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match. haha you are right about that. thank you for answering and hopefully that way to share items around comes SoonGäó Keep up the good work Team True Grit <3
The Attorney General ZionTCD 92	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:30:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match. Honestly, how the game got this far without a trading option baffles me. It should have been in for release. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59956 Please read posts 8 and 11. Then tell us when you expect trading to finally show up.

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 297	Posted - 2013.06.21 15:12:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Getting salvage you don't use is a problem though, and we are working on a way to share items around so you could redistribute salvage after a match. Nullabor, if you introduce player item trading by the end of July, I will name my next dog after you! (My next kid, he'd be teased for life. But Nullabor would be a damn good dog name.)


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