DUST Search - OPTIONAL RESPEC

sammus420 wrote:

jenza aranda wrote:

MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:

jenza aranda wrote:

sorry but no, its just not going to happen.

Even though I do not understand, I appreciate the response.

Thank you.

The idea of this game is that your decisions and your actions have consequences. When you decide to do one thing, it could stop you from doing another. By spending skill points on one thing, it will take you a while to skill save up the points to skill into something else.

By adding the ability to change your mind, you are just trivialising what should be a very important choice. By making it a pay option, it just becomes a pay to win option where you can just pay X Aurum to spec into the flavour of the month. Things change in terms of ballence quite often, by skilling into what is considered the most powerful option, you should accept the risk that it may change instead of paying for the option of getting something new.

This is why CCP will not allow people to respec any time they want, thats why im majorly against anything like this.

While skilling into stuff should be a very important choice, the nature of CCPs frequent nerfs and buffs turn making choices into a crapshoot. What might have been very good choices one day can be turned into really, really bad choices the next, due to no fault of the player.

That is why I support an expencive ($10 or so) Aurum option for a skill respec.

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SILVERBACK 02 BetaMax. CRONOS. 106	Posted - 2013.06.06 21:25:00 - [1] - Quote #1Posted: 2013.06.06 19:34 \| Report \| Edited by: Sam Tektzby Like Through whole that nerfs etc. Iam DEFO for implementation of optional respec for some cost, like cca 10 000 000 ingame curency. I think its only fair way how playerbase can overcome whole that nerfs and "balancing" stuff. COPY AND PAST THIS, LITTER THE FORUMS WITH THIS AND CCP MIGHT LISTEN. if you dont want this to happen go throw yourself out of an airlock -_-
True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.06 21:29:00 - [2] - Quote For this they better not use is an use AURUM. Its a great way for them to make money and discourage players from constantly respeccing all the time, other wise what is the point of CCP implementing a skill tree with roles that players should be specialising in. I was more for the 6mthly Free Respec for players idea but....
MCEINSTEIN08 Defective by Design 4	Posted - 2013.06.09 12:56:00 - [3] - Quote What about the option to RESPEC every 2-3 mil SP? I think if you have the ability/option to RSPEC from times to times, it will be a good incentive for people to keep playing. Average Joe will get to the RESPEC every 3-4 months. Lets saying you are getting 4-5k SP per game average, 10 games a day (2-3 hours of playing per day). playing 5-6 days a week... you see where I am going with this. I know some people will get there much faster with augmentations, and log-in 23.5 hours a day..... But for the average player it would take couple of months. I am a Assault MERC. right now and with the actual configuration I will probably never RESPEC in any other Roles EVER! I had an advantage over some of the newer players as I played the closed and open beta, and CCP let me keep all my SP points. Even though I just reached the 6 million SP, I will probably never play any other roles because of the competitive level of this game. This would be an option for the players to explore the entire game, not just part of it! Example: Right now I will never play with an heavy DROPSIT nor any guns that fits the heavy suit. Nor the Scout DROPSUIT, nor a shot gun.... and so on! Thank you for your consideration.
jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1797	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:01:00 - [4] - Quote sorry but no, its just not going to happen.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 218	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:02:00 - [5] - Quote This game is stuck between a Rock and a Hard Place. The Rock is the Arcade Style gameplay that FPS/FTP get a lot of steam on and the Hard Place is the EVE consequence/hardness. The Rock suggests that having some flexibility would be more fun while the Hard Place demands the game to be intense. No one can really decide or agree on where the game should be; Rock or Hard Place. Be well.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 363	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:03:00 - [6] - Quote There's already a thread on this subject that explains at lenght the issues with optional respecs. Please have a read through this if you are interested in this as to not force everybody repeat the same arguments all over again.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 532	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:10:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, why on earth would you expect one of the most basic core attributes of every other FPS to be in DUST. Get a grip. Can't you see how well things are going with the PB, and how popular this AAA game is.
MCEINSTEIN08 Defective by Design 4	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:14:00 - [8] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Even though I do not understand, I appreciate the response. Thank you.
jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1799	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:24:00 - [9] - Quote MCEINSTEIN08 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Even though I do not understand, I appreciate the response. Thank you. The idea of this game is that your decisions and your actions have consequences. When you decide to do one thing, it could stop you from doing another. By spending skill points on one thing, it will take you a while to skill save up the points to skill into something else. By adding the ability to change your mind, you are just trivialising what should be a very important choice. By making it a pay option, it just becomes a pay to win option where you can just pay X Aurum to spec into the flavour of the month. Things change in terms of ballence quite often, by skilling into what is considered the most powerful option, you should accept the risk that it may change instead of paying for the option of getting something new. This is why CCP will not allow people to respec any time they want, thats why im majorly against anything like this.
sammus420 Goonfeet 87	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:28:00 - [10] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: MCEINSTEIN08 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Even though I do not understand, I appreciate the response. Thank you. The idea of this game is that your decisions and your actions have consequences. When you decide to do one thing, it could stop you from doing another. By spending skill points on one thing, it will take you a while to skill save up the points to skill into something else. By adding the ability to change your mind, you are just trivialising what should be a very important choice. By making it a pay option, it just becomes a pay to win option where you can just pay X Aurum to spec into the flavour of the month. Things change in terms of ballence quite often, by skilling into what is considered the most powerful option, you should accept the risk that it may change instead of paying for the option of getting something new. This is why CCP will not allow people to respec any time they want, thats why im majorly against anything like this. While skilling into stuff should be a very important choice, the nature of CCPs frequent nerfs and buffs turn making choices into a crapshoot. What might have been very good choices one day can be turned into really, really bad choices the next, due to no fault of the player. That is why I support an expencive ($10 or so) Aurum option for a skill respec.

Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 523	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:29:00 - [11] - Quote My IQ drops every time I read one of your threads.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 218	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:32:00 - [12] - Quote sammus420 wrote: While skilling into stuff should be a very important choice, the nature of CCPs frequent nerfs and buffs turn making choices into a crapshoot. What might have been very good choices one day can be turned into really, really bad choices the next, due to no fault of the player. That is why I support an expencive ($10 or so) Aurum option for a skill respec. That is the Pay to Win part. After a big change (say the addition of a Super Tank), the people that pay 10 bucks and say "I want this NOW" have a flat out advantage over those that will spend weeks getting them. If there is some kind of Respec, it should not have anything to do with real cash. As I said previously: Rock and a Hard Place. Be well.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1261	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:34:00 - [13] - Quote Normally, I would vote against respecs, but the way game mechanics have been changing on a whim and all the bugs with certain mechanics we to stop people from getting duped with things not working as intended. Look at the engineering skill for vehicles, that horrible iron sight on lasers, and mass drivers to get a good idea of what I'm talking about. Just for speccing to those 3 things you should be entitled for a respec until they're finally fixed and rebalanced.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 364	Posted - 2013.06.09 13:36:00 - [14] - Quote sammus420 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: MCEINSTEIN08 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Even though I do not understand, I appreciate the response. Thank you. The idea of this game is that your decisions and your actions have consequences. When you decide to do one thing, it could stop you from doing another. By spending skill points on one thing, it will take you a while to skill save up the points to skill into something else. By adding the ability to change your mind, you are just trivialising what should be a very important choice. By making it a pay option, it just becomes a pay to win option where you can just pay X Aurum to spec into the flavour of the month. Things change in terms of ballence quite often, by skilling into what is considered the most powerful option, you should accept the risk that it may change instead of paying for the option of getting something new. This is why CCP will not allow people to respec any time they want, thats why im majorly against anything like this. While skilling into stuff should be a very important choice, the nature of CCPs frequent nerfs and buffs turn making choices into a crapshoot. What might have been very good choices one day can be turned into really, really bad choices the next, due to no fault of the player. That is why I support an expencive ($10 or so) Aurum option for a skill respec. The issue with balance making stuff useless is a balance and communication issue. It can and should be adressed directly by improving communication of upcoming changes and and a generally more carefull approach to balancing, not by changing an otherwise unrelated game mechanic, bringing a plethora of its very own problems while only curing the symptoms. Let me stress that this has all been talked about earlier and that we are just repeating old arguments here.
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 27	Posted - 2013.06.09 14:25:00 - [15] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Is there a minimum age before you can post a forum topic The forums recently seem to be full of children boasting about what ever they can Thankfully there is a profanity filter employed. The age of reason seems to be at an end
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3566	Posted - 2013.06.09 14:30:00 - [16] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: MCEINSTEIN08 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Even though I do not understand, I appreciate the response. Thank you. The idea of this game is that your decisions and your actions have consequences. When you decide to do one thing, it could stop you from doing another. By spending skill points on one thing, it will take you a while to skill save up the points to skill into something else. By adding the ability to change your mind, you are just trivialising what should be a very important choice. By making it a pay option, it just becomes a pay to win option where you can just pay X Aurum to spec into the flavour of the month. Things change in terms of ballence quite often, by skilling into what is considered the most powerful option, you should accept the risk that it may change instead of paying for the option of getting something new. This is why CCP will not allow people to respec any time they want, thats why im majorly against anything like this. Except that your actions DON'T have consequences, other than possibly RUINING any fun you can have with this game because you aren't a 1337 spreadsheet master and you screw up your build a little. As much as you might want to believe that this game has any ties to EVE, they're minor and trivial at best. I used to be against respec's, but at least in EVE if you screw up your SP a bit, you still have a TON to do. You know what you do in DUST if you screw up your SP? You get bored, die, or both. Great for the game, I know. I'm so happy that this is open for discussion and that we're hashing out ways to help new and old players alike properly spend their SP, or give them options to revert bad decisions made through a painful lack of information or guidance.
sammus420 Goonfeet 87	Posted - 2013.06.09 15:01:00 - [17] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: That is the Pay to Win part. After a big change (say the addition of a Super Tank), the people that pay 10 bucks and say "I want this NOW" have a flat out advantage over those that will spend weeks getting them. If there is some kind of Respec, it should not have anything to do with real cash. As I said previously: Rock and a Hard Place. Be well. If it's not done with real cash then EVERYONE will do it, there is no amount of ISK that would be enough to prevent people from respecing as soon as a Super Tank comes out.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 364	Posted - 2013.06.09 15:03:00 - [18] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: That is the Pay to Win part. After a big change (say the addition of a Super Tank), the people that pay 10 bucks and say "I want this NOW" have a flat out advantage over those that will spend weeks getting them. If there is some kind of Respec, it should not have anything to do with real cash. As I said previously: Rock and a Hard Place. Be well. If it's not done with real cash then EVERYONE will do it, there is no amount of ISK that would be enough to prevent people from respecing as soon as a Super Tank comes out. That's why it shouldn't be, period. And it's just one of the many problems that respecs entail.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1264	Posted - 2013.06.09 15:13:00 - [19] - Quote For anyone arguing that players should live with the consequences of their actions, players investing their time/SP/ISK/AUR into specializing have only been getting rewarded with nerfs because of terrible balancing. It's like playing a game of Rock Paper Scissors where the the scissors wind up getting dulled because they can cut rock too and rock needs to be chipped away because it crushes scissors too hard and paper needs a buff because its too small to cover rock.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 364	Posted - 2013.06.09 15:21:00 - [20] - Quote Cosgar wrote: For anyone arguing that players should live with the consequences of their actions, players investing their time/SP/ISK/AUR into specializing have only been getting rewarded with nerfs because of terrible balancing. It's like playing a game of Rock Paper Scissors where the the scissors wind up getting dulled because they can cut rock too and rock needs to be chipped away because it crushes scissors too hard and paper needs a buff because its too small to cover rock. Again. Your motivation is perfectly understandable and i feel your pain but respecs are just masking the underlying issue and on top of that damage the SP system to the point of becoming obsolete. You want to break something that i and many other players value highly to unbreak what you value highly. The difference is that your broken toy can (and should) be fixed by adressing it's actual issue (better balancing and communication thereof). Mine will be broken beyond repair.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1267	Posted - 2013.06.09 15:35:00 - [21] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Cosgar wrote: For anyone arguing that players should live with the consequences of their actions, players investing their time/SP/ISK/AUR into specializing have only been getting rewarded with nerfs because of terrible balancing. It's like playing a game of Rock Paper Scissors where the the scissors wind up getting dulled because they can cut rock too and rock needs to be chipped away because it crushes scissors too hard and paper needs a buff because its too small to cover rock. Again. Your motivation is perfectly understandable and i feel your pain but respecs are just masking the underlying issue and on top of that damage the SP system to the point of becoming obsolete. You want to break something that i and many other players value highly to unbreak what you value highly. The difference is that your broken toy can (and should) be fixed by adressing it's actual issue (better balancing and communication thereof). Mine will be broken beyond repair. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to happen but at the same time until they can figure out how to properly balance this game players shouldn't be forced to pay for their mistakes. This would only be a temporary solution until things are set right and would be easier than having to hand out optional respecs. Once everything is properly balanced and functional we can go back to the canonical rules of New Eden, but right now the 4th wall has long since broken.
MCEINSTEIN08 Defective by Design 4	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:00:00 - [22] - Quote So this is what it boils down to: Once you make your choice, you are stuck with it, good or bad! So now the games are catching up with some reality, choices have "Definite" consequences!?! Really?!?! Yes, choices have consequences, just not "written in stone" type of consequences, Come on people, the whole purpose of gaming is to escape reality! Become what you want to become! Good or bad! Don't get me wrong, I like the game, just some of the features I dislike. So just explain to me, how do I take advantage of the whole game? In the life time of this game very few if no-one will ever change role (once chosen) and go through all the option this game as to offer? This game has so many options to choose from, so many Dropsuits, Guns, Vehicles, multiply all this by 4 for each race... And also male or female (have to say this is the first FPS with both) UNBELIEVABLE.... but also unattainable! This is going to be the first time I play a game, where I cannot explore all my options (without unrealistic life expectations). I understand there is a close connection to EVE, but after all it still only a game. Thank you.
Dysnomia Pandora Third Rock From The Sun 2	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote Maby a good idea to get respec limit, for example once you past the 10mil sp mark you cant respec no more. Cus im sure lotsa new players dunno what they do at start and just screw up. Im not even talking about rebalancing or anything, altho i can save more then 1mil sp with the new alterations to thenskill tree. I still suport the optional respec, it wont effect the gameplay for 1 bit. People are still gonna specialize in something once they understand how the game and everything in it works.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 278	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:22:00 - [24] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. Petition calling for Jenza's resignation incoming.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1500	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:25:00 - [25] - Quote Broken logic is broken All respecs do is allow people to play the FOTM, and take advantage of nerfs. If people would just play what they enjoyed, instead of what's OP, nobody would be crying for a respec.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 288	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:30:00 - [26] - Quote DUST514 needs respecs (at least in the short term until CCP can hire competent people to properly balance the game, and CPM0 can establish a CPM actually voted on by the community) Once we get rid of the know-nothings who have a position we might be able to actually properly balance this game. #freexprotoman23
Django Quik R.I.f.t 643	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:31:00 - [27] - Quote This is really only an issue while nerfs and buffs are happening so much with the 'new' release. They will gradually become less and less as the game progresses and the balance actually balances. I'm all for offering players a refund on the SP spend on stuff that is majorly changed but unlimited respecs of any kind (paid with isk or aurum or free) are a bad idea. You shouldn't be able to just one day decide 'I'm bored with being a logi, I want to be a heavy now' and just suddenly have proto heavy stuff - if you decide to go another route, you should have to work through all the levels of that route before getting to the top.
Creed 'Jigsaw' Vacarus Kilrathi Knights DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:34:00 - [28] - Quote A better idea would just for CCP to implement a once a month option to respec one of your characters. So you use this option, and it reset's your skill points, but it can only be used on one character, and only once every thirty days. This accounts for Nerfs/changes, as well as new gear that will be added so on and so forth.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 367	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:40:00 - [29] - Quote Creed 'Jigsaw' Vacarus wrote: A better idea would just for CCP to implement a once a month option to respec one of your characters. So you use this option, and it reset's your skill points, but it can only be used on one character, and only once every thirty days. This accounts for Nerfs/changes, as well as new gear that will be added so on and so forth. Or we just scrap the skillsystem because it's obviously of no worth at all for anyone and does not provide any gameplay value watsoever at that point. The point of skills is beeing permanent. Remove the permanent part and all what's left is a 3month powergrind. I hate grinding for the sake of it.
Kinmura Muramatsu S.e.V.e.N. 1	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:40:00 - [30] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: sorry but no, its just not going to happen. I fully agree and i dont think it should happen, why give us dust players a re spec when ever we want it and not the EVE players? Because it would ruin the game and tuns of people would be pissed off even more. this is why we are given alts and its not like you have to spec into one thing, weather its sniping or heavys ect if EVE players do not get rep specs the why should we be the lucky ones to? Does not make sense



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