So, essentially, add a breach variant?

Well it is kinda silly to have to level ScR operation to IV before getting the first assault variant unlocked and
more variants are always welcome and breach would make sense since ScR is just a shiny AR ;)

don't see why we can't have a burst variant, The charge variant would be the one we have now

Hi CCP

All the current weapons in Dust have a variation at all levels, apart form the Scrambler Rifle My suggestion is this have the following three types:

Assault
Breach
charge

on all levels and amend the stats as you go up through the levels (as is done with the assault rifle)

Hi CCP

All the current weapons in Dust have a variation at all levels, apart form the Scrambler Rifle My suggestion is this have the following three types:

Assault
Breach
charge

on all levels and amend the stats as you go up through the levels (as is done with the assault rifle)

You've never been more wrong in your life. That aside, variants are coming to all weapons, give it some time. The only reason the AR has so many variants is because CCP was using it to make up for the missing rifles (3 at the time, 2 now).

But CCP is not planning on removing them, they said so themselves. If AR gets to keep all their variants, even as new racial rifles are added (scrambler = tactical, yet tactical AR wasn't removed when scrambler was added), then those racial rifles should have as many variants as well; its only fair.

I didn't say CCP was planning on removing them. I said the only reason the AR has them right now is because CCP was using it as a platform to make up for not having the other 3 racial rifles in the game yet.

CCP has confirmed that all weapons will have variations that are based on the mindsets of the other races (Assault, Breach, Tactical, and Burst).

They're not in yet but they're coming.

Except that many weapons are currently missing variations, namely plasma cannons, flaylocks, scrambler rifles. Many also have useless variations.

So, here's to adding variations to all the weapons that still have none.

current Gallente assault rifle = assault
current Amarr scrambler rifle = tactical
Minmatar combat rifle = burst
Caldari rail rifle = breach

Yes yes, I know each base racial rifle will be a specific type, I know, but that's not the point. I'm not trying to argue about whether or not each race will have a different variant as their base rifle, I'm not trying to argue about why the AR has all these variants so don't give me justifications.

I'm saying that if they get to keep all those variants (which they will) while the new racial rifles don't have that level of variety, then the assault rifle weapon class will have a severe advantage because of versatility; why skill into a Minmatar combat rifle for burst when the AR has assault (base), burst, tactical, and breach?

Sure each racial rifles will have an advantage over their AR counterpart, but that is a moot point since it will apply to the base AR having an advantage over the other racial rifles' assault variants.

Skilling into the AR instead of another racial rifle shouldn't give you more options than other rifles. Why should one racial rifle get to keep all these variants while others don't get to have them?

We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons
A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place.

They won't be removed, no, but they will be tweaked slightly. The idea being that each race will have it's base variant be Assault, (Gallente) Burst (Minmatar), Breach (Caldari) or Tactical (Amarr) and then the variants are a specific race's take on the others using their own tech. So, you'd get an Assault Rail Rifle that attempts to somewhat mimic the behavior of the Gallente Assault Rifle and a Tactical Assault Rifle that attempts to mimic the Amarr Scrambler Rifle and so on.

You are clearly, CLEARLY not understanding this.

Each one will get a variant.

Gallente AR will have Tactical, Breach, and Burst variants.
Amarr SCR will have Assault (orly?), Breach, and Burst variants.
Minmatar CR will have Assault, Breach, and Tactical variants.
Caldari RR will have Assault, Burst, and Tactical variants.

The ONLY reason the Gallente AR currently has the Tactical and Burst variants are because CCP was using it as a base platform to make up for the other 3 rifles not being in the game. The variants are coming for EACH one.

EDIT: I think I initially misread your first comment, though I don't know why you didn't just correct me on that, I don't know what you thought I was arguing about, or how I'm "clearly not understanding". Nothing I said was incorrect.

Thing is, I did correct you:

"I didn't say CCP was planning on removing them (AR variants). I said the only reason the AR has them right now is because CCP was using it as a platform to make up for not having the other 3 racial rifles in the game yet.

CCP has confirmed that all weapons will have variations that are based on the mindsets of the other races (Assault, Breach, Tactical, and Burst).

They're not in yet but they're coming."

"That aside, variants are coming to all weapons, give it some time."

You were taking this as me talking about the AR and AR only, for whatever reason. I did say "all weapons will have variants" though. Of course CCP isn't going to remove the variations already in place for the AR. That'd be taking a complete step backwards when they're planning on implementing variations for the lot of them. The AR has the variants to help make up for the actual racial rifles not being in. When the racial rifles are in, then the variants will be tweaked accordingly. And the other racial rifles will get variants based on the Assault, Breach, Burst, and Tactical guidelines already mentioned. Your argument was that it's not fair for the AR to have these variants now when the SCR doesn't. My argument was that the variants are inbound and CCP has confirmed that, so there's no use trying to claim that the AR is going to be the most versatile rifle. It's no different from me not being able to use heavy suits because I refuse to train Amarr Heavies, I want Gallente heavies. They'll be in eventually, I just gotta wait.

Also, I had edited my previous post with the relevant comments by CCP Remnant on the subject, but it looks like you replied before I managed to get them in.

But CCP is not planning on removing them, they said so themselves. If AR gets to keep all their variants, even as new racial rifles are added (scrambler = tactical, yet tactical AR wasn't removed when scrambler was added), then those racial rifles should have as many variants as well; its only fair.

I never said they were being removed either, I still don't know where you got that from, but you were indeed the first to say anything about it.