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Asmodeus Reinhart
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:55:00 -
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Chankk Saotome wrote:Active Scanners:
The Basic Active Scanner (45dB Scan Precision) will spot any unmodified Basic suits, or heavy/assault suits using basic or militia level dampening modules or skills.
The Advanced Active Scanner (36dB Scan Precision) will spot nearly everyone but the most stealthy of ninja scouts generally.
The Prototype Active Scanner (28dB Scan Precision) will spot everyone. Period. SENTANCE! Well... as long as they're not stacking modules which do have a stacking penalty.
Unless it's the Duvolle Focused (15dB Scan Precision. WHAT!?). That thing can scan a bee sneezing at 100m but at the cost of having to keep it out for the whole duration of your scan.
The best part of this tool which is a bit of data that no one thought to tell everyone is that even if a reddot is below the threshold of your personal Scan Precision, or even your Scanner's Scan Precision, the tool will TELL you it has received a margin of error if it detects an enemy within your scan arc but their profile is simply too low to actually light them up on your tacnet radar.
Yes, the thing pops up messages on everybody's screen. GÇ£You have been scannedGÇ¥ scared the bejebus out of me before I knew what it meant. For the user, it will tell you that your scan has completed and whether or not there was a margin of error.
If your math's are indeed correct, and I make no implications that they are not.
Then explain the following bit of "data" from actual game play. I was in a squad last night with some friends in a skirmish match. It was a VERY bad match for the opposing team and they were pushed all the way back to the foot hills outside of their MCC. (Total domination of every null cannon)
I was in a tier 1 Gallente Scout Suit. Using a tier 1 (basic non militia) sniper rifle. Basic shield extenders, basic armor plate, and militia repair. I do not have a single SP point tucked into any other modules, in fact my measly 1.2M SP was spent very poorly and I couldn't even if I wanted to.
As I sat perched on the side of a building in a good vantage point cranking these kids in the face from a distance in which they were not much more than specs even under zoom. (My squad mates were chasing them about right at the edge of their spawn. And I would call them out and try to either weaken them, or finish them.) I was doing so with impunity. It's almost like they really just couldn't see me, scope me, and there were snipers definitely trying to "spot" me. Then something curious happened.
I got the pop up that I had been scanned.
(Yeah I would be trying to find me too...)
But that the scan was not successful.
So I moved to the opposite corner or my perch and kept zinging kids.
You have been scanned.
Scan was not successful.
I keep on shootin'. And it was not until a squad mate climbed up to my perch that I ended up getting hit at all or "found" by an enemy sniper. Evidently he pings a lot easier than I do in a scout suit. And 'gave' away my position. (YA Bastich! go away!)
Now according to your math my scout suit / light frame is a 45 and even the basic scanner will find me. As it's set to about 45?
I was actively shooting and moving here and there to increase my lethality and cut down my exposure to either half of my FOV at a time.
Or does the scout suit (G-1) have an additional bonus that dropped my scan profile I am not thinking about?
Because they did not find me even with a scanner and they ran right past me like I wasn't there.
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Asmodeus Reinhart
Ninth Rim
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:55:00 -
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Wakki Tehbakki wrote:
Scout suits decrease scan profile per scout skill level. Light suits do not have this bonus. So if you were using a scout suit, then yes, it would decrease; even one level is enough to tip the scale.
Ok but I'm trying to quantify all of the scan profile business. And I don't want to go into a tangent but I feel I almost HAVE to - to make sense of the entirety of my interest in it.
But let's shoot back to my in game example.
Now I was actively shooting at kids when I was scanned. Both times. One I was getting up and moving during it as well looking for those scanning me.
If the basic scanner puts out 45. And the light frame is 45. With a scout suit bonus of... is it 10%? That would put me under the profile 45 - 4.5 = 40.5 What this means on a deeper level is that actively shooting or walking around does NOT have much effect on the overall scan profile at all. I was all over the left stick especially the second time, and that included dashing to the edge to look. And I am ALWAYS dashing. My left stick will stick forward it is so worn out from rushing... the hole is egged out and the stick has a groove worn into it. If I'm not running - I'm dead.
Now for the tangent I warned was coming.
I run some form of "profile dampening" equipment or class in every other game I play. Whether it's ghost / assassin in COD or suppressors etc. I am NEVER on the map unless I WANT to be. And oh yes do I know how to manipulate the radar in that game as well. Picking loud guns like shotguns or weapons that "pop" and fade on radar looks a lot like a mutual death to the guys who actively watch the map. And I am extremely good at manipulating what the enemy see's on that screen the entire time I am playing. Whether it's equipment, weapons, perks, or even streaks that block their map. I use all of it - all the time - every time - I play.
So you can see why I would like to have an intimate understanding of how this system works in this game. It's exactly why I spec'd into the scout class in the first place. I wanted to run and gun the way I run and gun - all the time. Be light, be fast, and hit very very hard. I'm an above average reactive shooter - and I get away with running less and lighter by being accurate - invisible and shooting people in the back as much as I can.
I just absolutely cannot play this game that way. I'd need proto stuff to do what I do in any other game. I either cannot dish it out fast enough, take enough to react, or they see me anyway. I simply cannot be a ninja assault guy in Dust. Well, at least not without 8M SP and millions of ISK to blow on proto suits every match.
I would REALLY like to see something done about people visually spotting you and you showing on the map. I don't think you should show up the the radar - and have to be called out manually be mic. At least if you are in say a scout suit, or something with heavy profile dampeners attached. IE: no red name. Period. Like a ghost.
I am amazed though that shooting doesn't seem to really effect the scan profile at all. Which I guess is a balancer against the inability to use quiet weapons. |
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