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Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 105	Posted - 2013.06.06 07:58:00 - [1] - Quote Seem like it just makes more problems having it around ,If there wasnt two way to control(divided rescouces) maybe we'd actally have good aiming mechanics by now.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 53	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:00:00 - [2] - Quote No. Many people only touch this game because it has kb/m support. If they take it out I will play planetside 2.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet 936	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:04:00 - [3] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: No. Many people only touch this game because it has kb/m support. If they take it out I will play planetside 2. this is how I recruit people to the game. Because PC gamers don't want to play with your stupid sticks. Has nothing to do with one being superior.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:05:00 - [4] - Quote I think it all depends on the breakdown of users between KB&M and controller. If it is 5% to the keyboard then OK but if you are talking 30% or greater then it becomes a significant risk to the game to remove KB&M.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 535	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:05:00 - [5] - Quote I hope my prophecy concerning KB/M has been archived... Good luck balancing two control schemes. You could have had one really good control type, but now they both fall short and no one is happy with the outcome.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 105	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:08:00 - [6] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: I think it all depends on the breakdown of users between KB&M and controller. If it is 5% to the keyboard then OK but if you are talking 30% or greater then it becomes a significant risk to the game to remove KB&M. you got numbers to back those percentages?
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:10:00 - [7] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: I hope my prophecy concerning KB/M has been archived... Good luck balancing two control schemes. You could have had one really good control type, but now they both fall short and no one is happy with the outcome. CCP built a PC game for a console. Now it's got the worst of both worlds.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 409	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:12:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: No. Many people only touch this game because it has kb/m support. If they take it out I will play planetside 2. this is how I recruit people to the game. Because PC gamers don't want to play with your stupid sticks. Has nothing to do with one being superior. Actually is more to do with "choice". For FPS games i always chose the mouse, even that i actually have a very decent Gamepad for my PC. I use the Gamepad for RPG's and Racing Games, mostly in the Xbox 360 and the PS3, which is why i normally only play FPS games in the PC. In fact... playing a FPS in a console.. is a FIRST for me.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 119	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:17:00 - [9] - Quote I think it's cool that there are so many options; gamepad, KBM and Move. I normally only play FPS on my PC with KBM and understand anybody who wouldn't want to play it any other way, but I play DUST with my gamepad and I've gotten used to it just fine because I play all sorts of action games with a gamepad and it's just a matter of practice. Now, fixing the aiming overall, I'd suggest they put priority on gamepads because I'm guessing it's going to be the most used input device, then move on to the other two input device types.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 57	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:17:00 - [10] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: I think it all depends on the breakdown of users between KB&M and controller. If it is 5% to the keyboard then OK but if you are talking 30% or greater then it becomes a significant risk to the game to remove KB&M. you got numbers to back those percentages? You're asking if he has numbers to back the percentages he likely made up as an example of what may be an acceptable number of users to shun if KB/M is removed (5%)? My take is unless something like 20% or more of the users are KB/M, then I say get KB/M out of here. It's a console game. Every PS3 comes with one of those funny little game pads with the weird sticks; the game mechanics should be tuned for that primarily. It will be a shame to loose some KB/M users, but it would be even worse to loose everyone because neither control scheme has adequate mechanics.

Radioship Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 83	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:18:00 - [11] - Quote This topic make sense as much as "Remove CCP from DUST" one. I've seen people playing on ds3 way much better than majority of kb/m users If they remove KB/M i will probably quit, not like am against DS3 and not like community will miss me or something, i just never played on joystick before and bought ps3 just to play DUST. It requires huge effort to learn from scratch to play on controller from 20 years of kb/m experience.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 409	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:24:00 - [12] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: I think it all depends on the breakdown of users between KB&M and controller. If it is 5% to the keyboard then OK but if you are talking 30% or greater then it becomes a significant risk to the game to remove KB&M. you got numbers to back those percentages? You're asking if he has numbers to back the percentages he likely made up as an example of what may be an acceptable number of users to shun if KB/M is removed (5%)? My take is unless something like 20% or more of the users are KB/M, then I say get KB/M out of here. It's a console game. Every PS3 comes with one of those funny little game pads with the weird sticks; the game mechanics should be tuned for that primarily. It will be a shame to loose some KB/M users, but it would be even worse to loose everyone because neither control scheme has adequate mechanics. You will loose all the experienced FPS players... I don't think CCP can afford that. You also will loose all the "Older" players, you know.. the ones that don't have to ask Mommy for pocket money every week.
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:29:00 - [13] - Quote If its going to be removed, it will be removed because its just broken. No onscreen cursor to navigate the menus. ADS is a joke, and general movement is like being in 3 feet of mud (can be said for the game in general, not just for M/KB). DS3 is faster. And i play both PC and console evenly and if M/KB was the better choice (or even viable) id be actively using it.
Raiff Basdek DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:32:00 - [14] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: You also will loose all the "Older" players, you know.. the ones that don't have to ask Mommy for pocket money every week. Given that an Experien survey pegged the average age of PS3 owners at 44, I really don't think many need to ask "Mommy" for pocket money, so bit of an invalid argument there.
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 81	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:33:00 - [15] - Quote I sure hope PLS2 will Not have KB/M for PS4 Yes, kb/m should be removed with all the Modded Cheating that is going on worse then a Modded controller can do is clear CCP can't even prevent it. example: some idot claimed the Scram-Rifle was OP https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85116&find=unread because he set his Mouse to a Programmable Modded Cheating settings. another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) just those 2 examples alone are game breaking. problem is CCP coding is so far along in game development they CCP probably don't even know how to fix those bs Cheatering issues. Lets just hope they can fix them.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 409	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:48:00 - [16] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: I sure hope PLS2 will Not have KB/M for PS4 Yes, kb/m should be removed with all the Modded Cheating that is going on worse then a Modded controller can do is clear CCP can't even prevent it. example: some idot claimed the Scram-Rifle was OP https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85116&find=unread because he set his Mouse to a Programmable Modded Cheating settings. another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) just those 2 examples alone are game breaking. problem is CCP coding is so far along in game development they CCP probably don't even know how to fix those bs Cheating issues. Lets just hope they can fix them. Using different equipment has never been ranked as "Cheating", not even in very serious competitive environments. In fact most professional gamer's, are sponsor by companies that make that superior gaming devices. If CCP wants to make Dust 514 competitive.. it have to start to be more flexible with things like this.
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:52:00 - [17] - Quote Before you call mouse and keyboard OP. Just try it for yourself, its not what you think it is.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet 941	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:52:00 - [18] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: I sure hope PLS2 will Not have KB/M for PS4 Yes, kb/m should be removed with all the Modded Cheating that is going on worse then a Modded controller can do is clear CCP can't even prevent it. No. A few cheaters are the stupid minority. punishing the rest of us is ******. Quote: example: some idot claimed the Scram-Rifle was OP https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85116&find=unread because he set his Mouse to a Programmable Modded Cheating settings. No he was making accusations based on someone ELSE pointing out that the heat mechanic on the SR was exploitable since it was based off of a per second buildup, not a per-shot buildup. He had to use a modded controller to test it for sure. It was him pointing out it was possible to exploit because of this problem. basically allowed a cheater to pull 20 Scram shots to say, my 8. He was being responsible and posting about an exploitable mechanic. Reading skills are badass. Research skills are even better, Quote: another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) I think I figured out how just by you bringing it up. Will test and if I am right, submit a bug report. Quote:** just those 2 examples alone are game breaking. problem is CCP coding is so far along in game development they CCP probably don't even know how to fix those bs Cheating issues. Lets just hope they can fix them. probably can. it might take them a while but I imagine they can put in a switch that causes the DS3 to override input from a KB/M so you cannot use them synergistically. And I find the assumption that KB/M use automatically equals cheating to be a childish one. You can cheat with a modified DS3. It works identically and as well, if not better.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 492	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:53:00 - [19] - Quote 0/10. There isn't even any thought behind this trolling attempt.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 515	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:55:00 - [20] - Quote I would love to see KB/M go away. This is a console game, use a controller or GTFO and go play some PC game. Sadly they are not going anywhere and never will. CCP is bias towards PC gamers, so we'll just have to deal with KB/M users having a massive advantage over controller users.

Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 409	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:01:00 - [21] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) Lets just hope they can fix them. Movement Speed Cheating with Keyboard and mouse, but also using a Controller ?..... How many hands you have ?.. I only have two. You guys don't even know what you talking about... try the mouse yourself, you'll see that doesn't give you instant kills every time you shoot. Also.. this game allows for Speed tanking... make sure you don't getting the two things confuse.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1966	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:04:00 - [22] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) You mean using strafe on a keyboard while strafing with a controller at the same time? Ha! If anyone can successfully exploit that, more power to them.
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:12:00 - [23] - Quote These people are so mis informed i feel like blessing them with my sarcasm and then linking an image that would get me a warning/'s/banned because it would be considered a troll post. The only time movement for KBM was better than a remote was for vehicles in the previous build. The movement speed is the same with a DS3 and KBM, aiming as well (and in some cases even slower) So your assumption of "Daww i cant hit that guy strafing, must be using KBM..." is just you looking for an excuse.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 184	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:15:00 - [24] - Quote I haven't played much due to how crap the virtual joystick feel is. Until they fix it, I can only tolerate playing in bursts. If they remove KB/M entirely, no more Dust for me.
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 83	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:17:00 - [25] - Quote well glad you 3 on page 2 don't know about this so I can check you 3 off the list again.... the method will Not be mentioned here
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:23:00 - [26] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: well glad you 3 on page 2 don't know about this so I can check you 3 off the list again.... the method will Not be mentioned here You dont know anything we dont already know.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 547	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:44:00 - [27] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: No. Many people only touch this game because it has kb/m support. If they take it out I will play planetside 2. The KB/M players have mostly quit playing this game since uprising I'd presume. I for one quit after the first week and am waiting for the fix.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 547	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:45:00 - [28] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Shrapnels wrote: another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) You mean using strafe on a keyboard while strafing with a controller at the same time? Ha! If anyone can successfully exploit that, more power to them. Actually it's a pretty good idea. You don't need to do it in combat...
GLiMPSE X IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 109	Posted - 2013.06.06 10:04:00 - [29] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Shrapnels wrote: another example is people Movement Speed cheating with a kb/m but also using a Controller at the same time (Not going into Details on how it is done and Neither should anyone else!!!!!!!!) You mean using strafe on a keyboard while strafing with a controller at the same time? Ha! If anyone can successfully exploit that, more power to them. I'll post a video of me and my hired help doing this later. It works pretty well. My slave labor sits in the chair next to me and when I say "BOOST ME!" or other expletives he pushes the game pad in the same direction for a short moment. Anyways, sounds like you guys are catching on to my HACKZ.... so I guess that's soon to be one more jobless minority as I'll have to let him go after this is inevitably fixed due to how game breaking it is.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 607	Posted - 2013.06.06 10:05:00 - [30] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: You will loose all the experienced FPS players... I don't think CCP can afford that. You also will loose all the "Older" players, you know.. the ones that don't have to ask Mommy for pocket money every week. Sweet burn.



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