15k dmg seems a bit much, but I will be very happy with a working nav computer for the moronic missles and a higher missle velocity to actually get to a target before the round is over....

oh wait you were being sarcastic -_-

There needs to be real advanced and prototype vehicles so proto AV has a reason to actually exist.

You're dumb. The swarmer didn't do that much damage to you, that's the total amount of damage you took, from ALL sources.

Derp.

Standard AV is UP
However, proto AV is OP

Does that make plasma cannon the only hard mode?
Forge gun versus most vehicles is like sniping a building and av nades have tracking.

That's how it works, I've had matches where my dropship has dished out over 20k damage and taken over 30k, it's the total damage output/input you have for the entire match from all sources. That said you can easily see the real stupid stuff like RDV's where you end up with over 100k damage in one match.

Ive put over 1 million into swarms. I should be able to kill you if you just sit there for 20 seconds trying to kill a cru.... now if your a shield tank im just gonna call in my tank and ram you to death. Also that 15000 thing, not even remotely possible to be a single swarm volley. Thats total damage you have taken in that life. Christ complain about forge guns not us

Yet no standard Av (except maybe a forge) can OHK a starter fit LAV.

it's 15k total damage tht 1 av weapon dealt to u. not from other enemies just from tht 1 said gun. Total damage not from 1 volley.

So you'll believe that a swarm launcher did 15k damage to you until then?

I have a Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher. With no damage mods/proficiency, it takes two volleys to bring down militia derpships.

Not to mention how meh swarms are against shield tanks. 4 volleys from two prof 4 swarm launchers guys to your weak spot to kill most decent shield tanks . If you can't run away during that time its not our fault.

Oh, so you're only stupid enough to think that given an unspecified length of time, a weapon capable of dealing thousands of hitpoints worth of damage should be incapable of reaching fifteen thousand.

Is that enough for you? Do you want double that? When will vehicles be nerfed enough for you?

Its happened.

You got the Tac nerfed, now on to the next target.

The Swarm Launcher.

Like an LAV that runs you over from behind. I never saw it coming.

That's because you're, for lack of a better word, simple.

I love it when tankers pull the "I've spent more ISK and SP" card, as though that automatically entitles you an "I win" button.

Look, I don't know what you experienced, but I was retreating in my Madrugar with all modules offline when someone with a single swarm (that means one shot) killed me. I was at 4000 armor, 100 shields. It seems like an absolutely silly amount of damage.

Omg another hater on av dude proto av is underpowered because it takes way to long to kill a standard (madrugar and gunnlogi) hav...

I would love to share it but that's a trade secret. Might post screenshots with fitting specifics cut out if I can do so without giving up the details. It's the tank that was used for the First IMPressions Academy stomping, but they're fully PC capable.

Militia stuff uses more PG and CPU? I remeber watching a video about tanks that the bloke said its best to use standard stuff. Its not that much more expensive and it frees up a ton of PG and CPU.

But I don't drive tanks so...

I know nothing.

What is the opposing team expected to do if a full squad of tanks rolls out from the enemy team?

The lack of thought put into this response has convinced me that it's pointless to continue to discuss balance with you as you're unable to look beyond your own playstyle.

That wyrmkomi thingy, however you spell it. I have 4% natural skill armor resistance. I have 3 25% active armor hardeners (which were, as mentioned, offline), 6073 max armor, 10XX max shields, and a heavy repper which was also offline.

Fine. This is from before they bumped up vehicle health so some info might be out of date.

Low:
180mm Reinforced Nanofibre Plates (20/928)(20/788.8)
Carapace Armor Hardener (25/5)
Carapace Armor Hardener (25/5)
Carapace Armor Hardener (25/5)
Heavy IG-L Polarized Armor Regenerator (21/896)

High:
F45 Peripheral Damage Control Unit (23/0)

Turrets:
80GJ Railgun (60/900)
AT-1 Cycled Missile Launcher (19/77)
AT-1 Cycled Missile Launcher (19/77)


Now, here are my (relevant) skills:
Vehicle Armor Upgrades III (1.06% Armor resistance)
Vehicle Core Upgrades V (1.05% PG/CPU)
Vehicle Electronics III (1.15% CPU)
Armor Adaptation V (0.85% PG cost of armor hardeners)
Vehicle Armor Plating III (0.91% PG cost of armor plates)

This pushes me into 6073 armor.

Edit: made fairly large changes past the low slots.

Again previous build experience is irrelevant.

but if you're trying to seriously use vehicles you need those extra layers of defense because they're so damn weak. You end up spending huge swathes of SP just trying to eek out enough to hopefully survive a tiny bit longer.