Has CCP said that that's how that screen works? I'll believe it when I see that posted by CCP.

Hate to tell you but it happened. I saw it myself. That's not the point we are getting at ya scrub

I'm not stupid enough to think it's from one volley.

Upgrade your reading comprehension. Looks like Bob explained it.

You're still missing the point of the thread.

Will you be happy when militia swarms can one-shot my Madrugar with > 6700 armor?

Yeah, then you'll be happy.

So is this thread making any point at all

I have proto swarms with proficiency up to 3 and I can't even do that much dmg in one volley. Even if your armor tanked and all my swarms hit your critical spot I can't do that much dmg.

Spkr4theDead is just the biggest whiner in this game. He's not happy unless he's whining about something.

caused the damage to render multiple times adding to the insane damage.

Seems simple enough to me...

LOL If you say so. How is what I said so hard to understand?

"The sky is dark and it's not yet 6pm, therefore it might rain." Is that so hard to understand?

Because me, like a lot of people that have spent the SP necessary to make strong vehicles, believe that the current available AV options are too powerful for the vehicles we have right now. My what, half year's worth of playing is nullified by a guy that just got out of the Battle Academy because someone said to get a suit with a lot of slots on the left side and put a militia swarm launcher on it.

Armor gets the best options with vehicles, but explosive weaponry has a bonus against armor. Shield has a natural passive resistance to explosive weaponry, but because of the powergrid nerf, trying to get strong defenses means going for weaker offense. It's not like that with dropsuits.

Like we've said before. There's access to PRO AV gear, some requiring proficiency. Vehicle drivers have access to "complex" modules and PRO turrets, but with STD hulls.

The problem is that vehicle pilots spend way more ISK and SP to get into a vehicle, that is actually much easier to kill than a regular dropsuit. There's no risk/reward, it's ALL risk.

There's a difference between whinging about not being an I WIN BUTTON (like some people did back 6 months ago, when that is precisely what tanks were) and the perfectly valid complaint that AV has been buffed multiple times while vehicles have been repeatedly nerfed (except LAVs for some reason).

The balance is currently terrible, and non-LAV vehicles aren't any fun to use because they are all paper thin.

So if you supposedly have vehicle alts, why don't you see it from that perspective?

So since I logged back onto the game, and checked a Madrugar with one militia armor repper, two militia 180mm plates, and two militia PG extenders, I'm still in the red for PG.

What kind of fit could you possibly have with a new character? And what kind of offense? Because I'm looking at a pretty terrible tank right now.

My standard Gunnlogi can stand up to standard AV fine. It would take a coordinated squad of standard AV to take me, and that's what it should take for each level: roughly one coordinated squad of an equal 'tech' level. Not some lone wolf with proto forges.

Go AV

I believe that in a similar situation in EvE, where there's a free world and anyone can do whatever the hell they want, they'd call in the fleet of their own ships, of a similar size and composition to match the enemy fleet.

Of course, this is Dust and not Eve, so in this theoretical situation, if the team defending against the theoretical six well fit prototanks wasn't able to call down their own six tanks to match 'em, they should get pubstomped. Or, alternatively, focus down one tank at a time, since there would only be ten people on that team to defend the tanks, (oh God I apologize for the commas) you could get just six people on AV to lock onto the nearest tank and let 'em rip. If you have six people who are totally specced to take down a tank focus down a single tank, they should be able to bring it down within two or three volleys, with the third volley being overkill.

Huh. This speculation is interesting. What are your thoughts on this? Also, could you lay out your thoughts on the current balance of tanks/AV that we have right now?

From what Mithridates said:

There is your circle of rock < paper < scissors < rock : AV < infantry < tanks < AV.

In order to make this work, infantry and AV need to have fully specialized suits. Tanks are already specialized. The problem that currently exists is that AVers want to be infantry as well. They don't want to die to infantry so they can kill tanks. Rock doesn't want to lose to paper while beating scissors either, but that's how it goes.

Again, infantry don't want to take the specialized role of AV but at the same time they want to beat tanks and other vehicles. That's the core underlying problem of this AV vs vehicle problem.

Note: infantry classifies anybody without AV capabilities

If he's saying that all the other SP isn't worth it, he's doing it wrong. Very wrong