DUST Search - 400 is too low

KOBLAKA1 wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Should be aound 470. But now it is the exact same rpm as the breach. So, the Tac is the breach now. Actually it's what the breach should have been in the first place, but its not it's useless (the breach).

Look, it really this simple:

Lower the damage on the TARs to 72.5 and 76 set the RoF to 470. Why set it RoF to 470 you ask? Well it is simple really: because that is about as fast as a human finger can pull a trigger. Then you can say bye bye to those mod controller scrubs because there will no longer be an advantage to using a mod.

Keep the damage on the breach the same raise the magazine size to 54.

Change the RoFs on std and adv burst variant to 937.5

Extend the range of all assault rifles (excluding the TAR) to come into more close competition with the tactical variant. I said close competition I did not say exactly the same. I am unaware of the stats for AR ranges. If I had the numbers I could do the math for it but I don't.

Buff all ranges by 20 to 30 meters.

Extend damage fall off range.

Get rid of bullet instant vanish. Bullet tracers need to start off strong/vibrant and dissipate at a determined range (definitely not the current ranges though).

There, now all the assault rifles are fixed.

NEXT!

Discuss.

So only extend the range and falloff of ARs no other weapons? Seems fair...


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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:13:00 - [1] - Quote Should be aound 470. But now it is the exact same rpm as the breach. So, the Tac is the breach now. Actually it's what the breach should have been in the first place, but its not it's useless (the breach). Look, it really this simple: Lower the damage on the TARs to 72.5 and 76 set the RoF to 470. Why set it RoF to 470 you ask? Well it is simple really: because that is about as fast as a human finger can pull a trigger. Then you can say bye bye to those mod controller scrubs because there will no longer be an advantage to using a mod. Keep the damage on the breach the same raise the magazine size to 54. Change the RoFs on std and adv burst variant to 937.5 Extend the range of all assault rifles (excluding the TAR) to come into more close competition with the tactical variant. I said close competition I did not say exactly the same. I am unaware of the stats for AR ranges. If I had the numbers I could do the math for it but I don't. Buff all ranges by 20 to 30 meters. Extend damage fall off range. Get rid of bullet instant vanish. Bullet tracers need to start off strong/vibrant and dissipate at a determined range (definitely not the current ranges though). There, now all the assault rifles are fixed. NEXT! Discuss.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:22:00 - [2] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: 470 rounds per minute is almost 8 shots per second, I doubt anyone can really fire that fast without a modded controller Having it that high would be pointless. Well you'd be dead wrong then sir.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:26:00 - [3] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Should be aound 470. But now it is the exact same rpm as the breach. So, the Tac is the breach now. Actually it's what the breach should have been in the first place, but its not it's useless (the breach). Look, it really this simple: Lower the damage on the TARs to 72.5 and 76 set the RoF to 470. Why set it RoF to 470 you ask? Well it is simple really: because that is about as fast as a human finger can pull a trigger. Then you can say bye bye to those mod controller scrubs because there will no longer be an advantage to using a mod. Keep the damage on the breach the same raise the magazine size to 54. Change the RoFs on std and adv burst variant to 937.5 Extend the range of all assault rifles (excluding the TAR) to come into more close competition with the tactical variant. I said close competition I did not say exactly the same. I am unaware of the stats for AR ranges. If I had the numbers I could do the math for it but I don't. Buff all ranges by 20 to 30 meters. Extend damage fall off range. Get rid of bullet instant vanish. Bullet tracers need to start off strong/vibrant and dissipate at a determined range (definitely not the current ranges though). There, now all the assault rifles are fixed. NEXT! Discuss. So only extend the range and falloff of ARs no other weapons? Seems fair... When did I say that. In fact I distinctly remember saying "NEXT!".
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:29:00 - [4] - Quote Lilah Silverstone wrote: Could it be, TAR QQ? No QQ, just simple arithmetic. Because I am tired of them getting it wrong.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:32:00 - [5] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: 470 rounds per minute is almost 8 shots per second, I doubt anyone can really fire that fast without a modded controller Having it that high would be pointless. I can shoot semi autos faster than 831 RPM so your wrong And you would be wrong too. Not possible while griping a controller, or the grip of a rifle for that mater.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:46:00 - [6] - Quote Mike Poole wrote: The ROF should have been dropped to at least 350, 400 is still too high. NO idea where you pulled a 470rpm from as being a standard for a semi automatic. For firing with any degree of accuracy the rate of fire for a semi-auto is like 45-60rpm. It doesn't matter if theoretically a human finger could flex faster than that because you're limited by the mechanics of the weapon and even if you could your accuracy would be shot to hell. Dude have you ever even fired an assault rifle before? Because I own several, and have also fired many fully auto rifles as well. 45 - 60 rpm now that is a joke. I'll tell you what go get a TR-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol and test fire it. It has a RoF of 468.7. See how offten you can hit the ceiling of the RoF. I do it fairly often. Maybe 1 in 30 or 40 trigger pulls. The TAR already has massive recoil. Which does quit nicely to simulate the inaciracy you discribed.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:55:00 - [7] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: damage on TARs is fine. the RoF needs to be set around 180 RPMs. Mag size need to be dropped to 20 OR increase reload time. TARs are meant to be medium-to-long range encounter weapons, these changes will be keeping with that spirit and force their usage in such a manner. ALSO: Make the damn sight clear! There is no resin to limit the RoF on the TAR, outside of limiting it to a reasonable RoF achievable by a human being. The weapon must already be manually fired, and to add to this there is a massive recoil. Do you even use the weapon at all.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:09:00 - [8] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Dexter307 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: 470 rounds per minute is almost 8 shots per second, I doubt anyone can really fire that fast without a modded controller Having it that high would be pointless. I can shoot semi autos faster than 831 RPM so your wrong And you would be wrong too. Not possible while griping a controller, or the grip of a rifle for that mater. Well I can do it so your wrong Terra Thesis wrote: Fanning a double trigger on a paintball gun doesn't count.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:11:00 - [9] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Terra Thesis wrote: Dexter307 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: 470 rounds per minute is almost 8 shots per second, I doubt anyone can really fire that fast without a modded controller Having it that high would be pointless. I can shoot semi autos faster than 831 RPM so your wrong Fanning a double trigger on a paintball gun doesn't count. I was pressing R1 with one finger Proof (while griping the controller) or it didn't happen.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:25:00 - [10] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: i was expecting this to be a buff thukker/fused locas thread, i leave feeling cheated Man, people have such expectations for my thread.

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:51:00 - [11] - Quote This is not QQ. It is about making the TAR a viable weapon. As it stands now it is nothing more than a powerful breach with a very short clip, and I imagine it will quickly fall into disuse again. I have already switched over to useing the burst and std. The idea is to make all the weapons fun to use, while keeping them competitive. Man to can tell that there are a lot of people on this thread that got killed way to many times with the Tac while it was over buffed and now just want to see the weapon on back to the graveyard. Nothing left but sheer irrational heat for the weapon now I guess.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:53:00 - [12] - Quote Vethosis wrote: IT ALSO HAS A GOOD SIGHT ON THE GUN AND YOU CAN STILL SHOOT FASTER THAN A BREACH ASSAULT RIFLE AND IT SHOOTS FARTHER THAN A BREACH You can't shoot faster than the breach. They have the same RoF. It's physically impossible.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 15:57:00 - [13] - Quote @Dexter307 Measured by what standard. Not that I have faith in this video to come.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:31:00 - [14] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: @Dexter307 Measured by what standard. Not that I have faith in this video to come. Based off the fal and m14 from cod:zombies. With the double tap perk its firecap is either 781 or 831 and if you shoot faster than that the gun jams Remember. Full grip on the controller with your thumb on the right stick, to simulate battle conditions. I can't wait to see this video.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:52:00 - [15] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Delish tears after your crutch has been removed. Feel bad for dropping cash on controller or macromouse now dont we? I don't use a mod. But if you had actually read what I wrote you would know that.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:55:00 - [16] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: @Dexter307 Measured by what standard. Not that I have faith in this video to come. Based off the fal and m14 from cod:zombies. With the double tap perk its firecap is either 781 or 831 and if you shoot faster than that the gun jams Remember. Full grip on the controller with your thumb on the right stick, to simulate battle conditions. I can't wait to see this video. Ill shoot zombies WHILE breaking the fire cap! That's great just as long as I can see your hand on the controller, and the gun jamming on the screen at the same time. And then the stats stating that the RoF is what you say it is.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 7	Posted - 2013.06.05 17:21:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Behold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw Let's do some math: 12 shots 2.99 seconds - the second and a half it took him to reload = 8.053 rounds/sec 470 rpm divided by 60 (seconds in a minute)... Wait for it... = 7.833 Yup sounds about right to me.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 7	Posted - 2013.06.05 17:33:00 - [18] - Quote Yahp, thanks for sending my thread to the junk yard. Not like it was an important subject or anything.