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Malkai Inos wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Shrapnels wrote:

so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy?

come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you

if it is, then wow... just wow

No, what he's saying is that the only thing they changed is the hipfire spread. If the guns seems inaccurate, it's because you're using it at the wrong range.

steadyhand amarr wrote:

Is this the start of QQ from the all the players who have had their cruch taken from them :-P

Yes it is. But this time, there will be NO sympathy.

Holy **** guys, you might actually have to make fits with DIFFERENT WEAPONS NOW. Shocked

Blasphemy! Lol

The insistince on using terms like "buff" or "nerf" bear testimony of the fact that some people don't quite get the purpose of balancing.

Every gun is supposed to be unique and interesting in terms of behavior and niche. The numbers are just there to make every gun usefull in something. The Tac rebalance is not primarily a nerf to one weapon but a buff to all the others that might finally be viable again. Therefore "nerfing" a weapon is not bound to be detrimental to the game but often improves the experience for large parts of the playerbase, just as a buff is not always good for the game, but can rather make the game unenjoyable for many players.

Someone always gets nerfed when buffing one weapon and someone always gets buffed when nerfing one.

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Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 72	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:56:00 - [1] - Quote When you Over Nerf a Gun you completely change the dynamic-meta-balance of the game. How is the D-Tac accuracy now 47.8% when a Single Shot firing gun is in general more accurate. Comparing the Proto-AR accuracy %s the D-Tac is now around 8-9% lower then the other Proto-ARs. The rest of the Proto-ARs accuracy's are All 56% or Higher!!!!!!! Over reacting and Over Nerfing just shows you need to hire some people that understand FPS balance. Where can I submit my application?
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 261	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:57:00 - [2] - Quote Duvolle Tac is UP, buff Duvolle Tac
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 72	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:58:00 - [3] - Quote I am only talking about the Accuracy of the Gun here and nothing else
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 261	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:00:00 - [4] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: I am only talking about the Accuracy of the Gun here and nothing else Who cares about the accuracy rating? It only relates to hip-fire afaik. The Tac beeing usefull in hipfire was the largest part of the problem.
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 220	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:00:00 - [5] - Quote That accuracy is only for the hip fire. It's still just as accurate as before when using ADS.
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 72	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:03:00 - [6] - Quote so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 220	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:04:00 - [7] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow I just played a couple matches with the D TAR. The hip fire accuracy is worse now (although not really that bad), and the ADS accuracy is just as good as it was before.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 261	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:06:00 - [8] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow Almost all guns guns are pinpoint hitscan weapons when ADSed. If you haven't noticed this by now then i'll deny your application on behalf of CCP due severe lack of experience in the field.
martinofski Les Rebelles A Qc 170	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:07:00 - [9] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow Yep, so I guess your answer is Wow...just wow... Edit: I don't want you to work for CCP.
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 73	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:11:00 - [10] - Quote martinofski wrote: Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow Yep, so I guess your answer is Wow...just wow... Edit: I don't want you to work for CCP. then a game and company that Brags about Stats..... where is the ADS accuracy Stat?

Radioship Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 83	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:12:00 - [11] - Quote Does [Assault Rifle Sharpshooter] skill increases hip-fire accuracy that was nerfed ? Or what does "dispersion" means for TAR ?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 212	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:13:00 - [12] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: martinofski wrote: Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow Yep, so I guess your answer is Wow...just wow... Edit: I don't want you to work for CCP. then a game and company that Brags about Stats..... where is the ADS accuracy Stat? as mentioned, it's 100%, isn't that a bit redundant?
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 655	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:14:00 - [13] - Quote Is this the start of QQ from the all the players who have had their cruch taken from them :-P
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 391	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:17:00 - [14] - Quote CCP needs to get a new nerfing hammer... the one they using right now is FAR to big.
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 73	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:18:00 - [15] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Is this the start of QQ from the all the players who have had their cruch taken from them :-P lol ....you sure didn't read... I'm ONLY talking about Accuracy. Everything else seems to be fine.
bonkersfox Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 90	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:21:00 - [16] - Quote small steps instead of big leaps would be better, I am away for 2 weeks, by the time I come back its going to be like a different game, AGAIN ....
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 262	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:22:00 - [17] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: CCP needs to get a new nerfing hammer... the one they using right now is FAR to big. They haven't even nerfed it's main niche all that much (smaller mags). If anything they defined it's role more fittingly.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 323	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:22:00 - [18] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: martinofski wrote: Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow Yep, so I guess your answer is Wow...just wow... Edit: I don't want you to work for CCP. then a game and company that Brags about Stats..... where is the ADS accuracy Stat? It is 100% accurate. It only changes because of the kick.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1824	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:25:00 - [19] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow No, what he's saying is that the only thing they changed is the hipfire spread. If the guns seems inaccurate, it's because you're using it at the wrong range.
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 393	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:32:00 - [20] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: CCP needs to get a new nerfing hammer... the one they using right now is FAR to big. They haven't even nerfed it's main niche all that much (smaller mags). If anything they defined it's role more fittingly. Really ?.... so what is with the QQing ? People are complaining now because they have to use a Tactical Weapon, Tactically ?

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 725	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:33:00 - [21] - Quote My take on this situation.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 264	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:40:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow No, what he's saying is that the only thing they changed is the hipfire spread. If the guns seems inaccurate, it's because you're using it at the wrong range. steadyhand amarr wrote: Is this the start of QQ from the all the players who have had their cruch taken from them :-P Yes it is. But this time, there will be NO sympathy. Holy **** guys, you might actually have to make fits with DIFFERENT WEAPONS NOW. Blasphemy! The insistince on using terms like "buff" or "nerf" bear testimony of the fact that some people don't quite get the purpose of balancing. Every gun is supposed to be unique and interesting in terms of behavior and niche. The numbers are just there to make every gun usefull in something. The Tac rebalance is not primarily a nerf to one weapon but a buff to all the others that might finally be viable again. Therefore "nerfing" a weapon is not bound to be detrimental to the game but often improves the experience for large parts of the playerbase, just as a buff is not always good for the game, but can rather make the game unenjoyable for many players. Someone always gets nerfed when buffing one weapon and someone always gets buffed when nerfing one.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1824	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:44:00 - [23] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Shrapnels wrote: so that Accuracy Stat for ALL guns is JUST Hip Fire accuracy? come on..... you can't even fully believe that do you if it is, then wow... just wow No, what he's saying is that the only thing they changed is the hipfire spread. If the guns seems inaccurate, it's because you're using it at the wrong range. steadyhand amarr wrote: Is this the start of QQ from the all the players who have had their cruch taken from them :-P Yes it is. But this time, there will be NO sympathy. Holy **** guys, you might actually have to make fits with DIFFERENT WEAPONS NOW. Blasphemy! The insistince on using terms like "buff" or "nerf" bear testimony of the fact that some people don't quite get the purpose of balancing. Every gun is supposed to be unique and interesting in terms of behavior and niche. The numbers are just there to make every gun usefull in something. The Tac rebalance is not primarily a nerf to one weapon but a buff to all the others that might finally be viable again. Therefore "nerfing" a weapon is not bound to be detrimental to the game but often improves the experience for large parts of the playerbase, just as a buff is not always good for the game, but can rather make the game unenjoyable for many players. Someone always gets nerfed when buffing one weapon and someone always gets buffed when nerfing one. Well said!
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Orion Empire 264	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:45:00 - [24] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: CCP needs to get a new nerfing hammer... the one they using right now is FAR to big. They haven't even nerfed it's main niche all that much (smaller mags). If anything they defined it's role more fittingly. Really ?.... so what is with the QQing ? People are complaining now because they have to use a Tactical Weapon, Tactically ? The change is only two hours old so most of the QQ is based on mere conjecture. And of course people will complain when a weapon that was formerly without significant downsides now has one. Many Tac users (i might be one of them) will realize now that they didn't use the weapon how it was supposed to be used and will now find that they don't like it in it's intended role. That's completely normal.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 546	Posted - 2013.06.05 13:45:00 - [25] - Quote Both Mobius and Malkai are spot-on here. It's still a great weapon.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 597	Posted - 2013.06.05 14:06:00 - [26] - Quote Game Designer job available for Dust. List Job
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 76	Posted - 2013.06.05 16:56:00 - [27] - Quote and more and more keep coming
Shrapnels Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 83	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:40:00 - [28] - Quote seeing all the thread about D-Tac and none of them are addressing the Accuracy
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.06.06 08:53:00 - [29] - Quote OP should be banned for trolling.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2013.06.06 09:15:00 - [30] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Game Designer job available for Dust. List Job Nice find. OP should apply.



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