DUST Search - People who are not in squads

Mike Poole wrote:

JETSTORM1090 wrote:

I don't understand why people stay in the no squad section, people should always be in squads even if you are the one to make the squad. Orbital strikes can make a difference between a winning and losing game sometimes, so why not join a squad and help out to get an OB, also you got some green arrows to stick with, sure being in no squad helps the team but being in a squad helps more, if you don't want to talk to people just join and mute.
Also I for one would like orbital strikes not available to us (many deaths from them lol) but as long as we have them, why not contribute to getting them?
Point is, Ive been seeing like 7 or 8 no squad people lately per game.

Because most people that form squads are too stupid to even set objectives let alone use orbital strikes.

Because some people don't like having all of their hard work and wp used to give the squad leader even more wp by using strikes and then take a larger cut of their ISK at the end.

Because specing yourself to carry around enough drop links to spawn 30 people from a single fit is wasted on 5 people who may die enough to use up half that much.

Because even when you are squadded up it isn't as if you can tell one green arrow from another on the map so unless you're in your squads face 24/7 you have no better clue of who is doing what then when you're out of a squad.

Because 6 people decide to form their own squads that end up with 2-3 people max anyway.

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Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:00:00 - [31] - Quote I go solo because I like the challenge. It's more satisfying that way. Additionally, the few squads I have been in were... well, lets just say I would have done better if I went solo. Of course, I could do my own thing while in a squad... but that seems to defeat the entire purpose of being in a sqaud in the first place. That being said, I do feel kind of guilty when I get a squad invite and don't take it. Perhaps I'll give squadding up another go at a later date.
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 56	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:02:00 - [32] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: It means I have to grind longer than they do. What do I care if we win or not? This ain't PC Also, leaderboard(WP) position determines what portion of the ISK payout you recieve, at least that's what I heard. Sorry, not trolling, but how would you have to grind longer? Regarding victory, nor do I, but more OB means more kills on the other team means the match ends faster. No idea about the proportion of ISK on leaderboard, do you have more info on the proportion of isk received? In any case, I left it open, as I reckon it's debatable whether more kills/lower position <> less kills/higher position ISK wise.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1722	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:06:00 - [33] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: It means I have to grind longer than they do. What do I care if we win or not? This ain't PC Also, leaderboard(WP) position determines what portion of the ISK payout you recieve, at least that's what I heard. Sorry, not trolling, but how would you have to grind longer? Regarding victory, nor do I, but more OB means more kills on the other team means the match ends faster. No idea about the proportion of ISK on leaderboard, do you have more info on the proportion of isk received? In any case, I left it open, as I reckon it's debatable whether more kills/lower position <> less kills/higher position ISK wise. They get a WP commission for squad orders + any OB kills. I don't have to grind longer, they get to grind less. I'm just messing around though lol
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 87	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:08:00 - [34] - Quote To those saying they like to go by themselves, join a squad and go off by yourself lol and to those saying "I don't like to give squad leader my WP's" , make a squad yourself and hog them points for you instead lol
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3219	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:52:00 - [35] - Quote Eisen Sonnet wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Drop Uplinks Squad locking droplinks was a terrible idea on CCP's end. So was squad-locking TACNET data.
Daylon Daxx Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.06.05 07:56:00 - [36] - Quote I'm too old and slow to be much help to squads. My reflexes aren't as good as they were 20 yrs ago. I would only be a hinderance in close battles. As most Dust players are considerably younger and better skilled than me, why would you want an old geezer in your squad? I die constantly and the buggy nanite injectors has put my "logibro "build on hold. So even a backup role is screwed. I did start an alt sniper char which I like a lot. Now I can sit on a roof (or a hill), drink my beer and whiskey, get me a few scalps and help protect the blue dots. I don't need to be in a squad for that. ....Besides, I don't have enough beer and whiskey to go around. :P
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 55	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:01:00 - [37] - Quote I squad about half the time with randoms. I do join a squad out of the desire to help out with any team objectives and contribute my WP to orbitals. Typically I am thanked for this (I do have a mic) buy: 1.) The squad leader not setting objectives 2.) No one in the squad ressurecting anyone (I realize it's hard these days, but I do it plenty) 3.) No one in the squad using my drop uplinks 4.) Getting pulled into matches before I am ready (is it that hard to type "rdy?" when we are all back in our quarters??) So - the other half of the time I do my own thing and typically do better because (shocker!) I'm not relying on a bunch of randoms to act like a team. The ONLY good squad experiences I have (with maybe 1-2 exceptions) is when I come in with a team beforehand.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 118	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:03:00 - [38] - Quote Mike Poole wrote: JETSTORM1090 wrote: I don't understand why people stay in the no squad section, people should always be in squads even if you are the one to make the squad. Orbital strikes can make a difference between a winning and losing game sometimes, so why not join a squad and help out to get an OB, also you got some green arrows to stick with, sure being in no squad helps the team but being in a squad helps more, if you don't want to talk to people just join and mute. Also I for one would like orbital strikes not available to us (many deaths from them lol) but as long as we have them, why not contribute to getting them? Point is, Ive been seeing like 7 or 8 no squad people lately per game. Because most people that form squads are too stupid to even set objectives let alone use orbital strikes. Because some people don't like having all of their hard work and wp used to give the squad leader even more wp by using strikes and then take a larger cut of their ISK at the end. Because specing yourself to carry around enough drop links to spawn 30 people from a single fit is wasted on 5 people who may die enough to use up half that much. Because even when you are squadded up it isn't as if you can tell one green arrow from another on the map so unless you're in your squads face 24/7 you have no better clue of who is doing what then when you're out of a squad. Because 6 people decide to form their own squads that end up with 2-3 people max anyway. All of this. Adding to it: Because I need to leave the squad every time and end up going solo again when the squad leader and/or squadmates need to spend forever in the merc quarters in between matches. Because of the bug which causes voice chat to sometimes become dysfunctional from quickly switching in and out of squads, especially if I'm waiting for corp mates with whom I actually want to squad up with and use the voice chat with. Because precision strikes in this game are silly game mechanics ("you kill a bunch of people... congratulations, you get to kill even more now!") and are unnecessary for public matches. What are the stakes, anyway? Because of people in the same team I'd like to fight against in the next rounds to come. Because of specific people in squads I do not want to be associated with. Because it generates delicious QQ here.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Gentlemen's Agreement 468	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:14:00 - [39] - Quote All above and it's "funny" to see 'squad up yo' 'join my squad' in team-chat before the battle starts and when you do join the squad, SL is camping on the MCC sniping or generally doesn't know what being SL is. It really puts me off.
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 20	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:23:00 - [40] - Quote if there are at least three people in a squad I join them for a match, I normally leave the squad after the battle if they take too long to start a new one or do something else than skirmish

PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 48	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:23:00 - [41] - Quote If i don't join a squad i can join any match i like, when i like. To counter this CCP sigh should make it so i get dropped from my current squad should i choose to go it alone. Im not even sure why i just wasted my time typing that? *** it
bonkersfox Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 72	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:25:00 - [42] - Quote you might as well tell everyone who doesn't use an lav to jump in one, why not ? because I don't want to, that's why, I work better alone.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 809	Posted - 2013.06.05 08:57:00 - [43] - Quote Most games only reason I make a squad is to distinguish my chardy from failfit chardy's that others might be calling in at the same time.
bastille123 Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.06.05 09:00:00 - [44] - Quote the only reason i dont join a squad (unless my corp request me to) is beacuse of the of the orbitals .... i mean the one who should be getting orbitals are the one with the most WP not the leader only
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.06.05 09:18:00 - [45] - Quote I try to squad up allmost every battle and gain approx 700-2000wp/battle (Logibro Reps/revs/nanohivesss.. if someone didn't know already) but mostly kicked out of squad because no mic and mute (i Never ever heard anyone even speak... options?) Saturday I'm going to take kids to the granny and wife is at work so there will be one fearles Logibro at your service 07 for a good 5-7hours.
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 71	Posted - 2013.06.05 09:45:00 - [46] - Quote I find if we are running a partial squad the putting something in the team text chat to say fee free to join and peopl will actually join.. I think most would like to be in a squad but are afraid to join a corp squad... Maybe an indicator to say come on in or stay the hell out would be benficial. Also a prompt to suggest joining a squad might help
Nalhe Saldana Syneptics Inc. 1	Posted - 2013.06.05 10:05:00 - [47] - Quote I hate the fact that when you join a squad you stay in it when the game ends and suddenly you get queued for a game you didnt want to join.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 154	Posted - 2013.06.05 10:28:00 - [48] - Quote We all know how important it is to have a quality player with Drop Uplink skills in a battle. What is even more important is service for the whole team rather than a squad with 1-6 players. And yeah.. This needs a fix.
agustis caesar Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.06.05 10:41:00 - [49] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: I don't understand why people stay in the no squad section, people should always be in squads even if you are the one to make the squad. Orbital strikes can make a difference between a winning and losing game sometimes, so why not join a squad and help out to get an OB, also you got some green arrows to stick with, sure being in no squad helps the team but being in a squad helps more, if you don't want to talk to people just join and mute. Also I for one would like orbital strikes not available to us (many deaths from them lol) but as long as we have them, why not contribute to getting them? Point is, Ive been seeing like 7 or 8 no squad people lately per game. Tonight I had a guy yell at us during the game saying basically the same things you said, except he used more colorful languages...and like called us mean names n stuff. was that you by chance? I had no idea there was a difference regarding being in a squad or not, thanks for the info.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2013.06.05 10:46:00 - [50] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Because: 1. New players may not know about OB and WP. 2. They don't have a mic and/or are shy 3. Can't be bothered That said, even when running solo I generally plonk myself into a squad to contribute my WP while muting everyone and doing my own thing. ..ima number 3..it is a pun im solo i only play with people i know...although think i may start the mass muting thing..but ohhhh the 5 seconds it takes to do it ..nahhh

Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.06.05 11:11:00 - [51] - Quote ImpureMort wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Because: 1. New players may not know about OB and WP. 2. They don't have a mic and/or are shy 3. Can't be bothered That said, even when running solo I generally plonk myself into a squad to contribute my WP while muting everyone and doing my own thing. ..ima number 3..it is a pun im solo i only play with people i know...although think i may start the mass muting thing..but ohhhh the 5 seconds it takes to do it ..nahhh So just join the squad and go off and lone wolf, will at least give your team 1-2 orbitals. If I find a squad leader who uses the orbitals in any sort of decent way I'll stick with them for as long as I play that night. Even if I'm off shooting people on the far side of the map.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 99	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:00:00 - [52] - Quote People have also mentioned, on the forums, that they are joining (corp mainly) squads and getting insta booted. This appears to be a particular problem for newer players who are currently in NPC corps. What I don't understand is if these corp squads don't want others to join why they do not lock the squad to avoid these problems. For me the three main reasons I do not always join squads is: 1. Drop Uplinks. If there at least 6 people not in a squad then there are more people who can use your uplink than if you were in a squad which limits you to a max of 5 others. 2. I am testing or messing around with fits rather than focusing on that specific battle e.g finding alternate routes etc 3. Not in the mood to be sociable. Edit: couple more 4. Get a little fed up if people don't have mics or at least move as a squad. 5. Unrealistic expectations from squadies e.g. X is in a proto fit and you are in a STD/Militia fit and he charges off and easily outpaces you because of higher SP in Speed and Endurance skills. Proceeds to attack a full squad of proto players and wonders why you died in 1 second after arriving at the scene.
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 38	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:05:00 - [53] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Because: 1. New players may not know about OB and WP. 2. They don't have a mic and/or are shy 3. Can't be bothered That said, even when running solo I generally plonk myself into a squad to contribute my WP while muting everyone and doing my own thing. Yep. Sometimes when I run solo, it's because I'm sick and tired of people in general. I just want to take a break from humanity, and play my favorite game while I'm at it.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Gentlemen's Agreement 468	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:05:00 - [54] - Quote Oohh I remember few games where every 16 of us were not in squads. That was/is glorious.
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 71	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:09:00 - [55] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: What I don't understand is if these corp squads don't want others to join why they do not lock the squad to avoid these problems. You can lock squads???? Enlighten me please , I've never noticed it. I would still prefer an indicator to let people know its OK to join us, we want all the WP we can get and it doesn't matter to us if your are the worst player online. We run with whoever and as long as you aren't being an A55h0l3 then you are more than welcome. Putting an advert in Team text chat seems to help but only having to set something on your squad once would be much better IMO.
Eisen Sonnet S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 20	Posted - 2013.06.05 12:28:00 - [56] - Quote Quote: You can lock squads???? Shocked Yes, you can lock squads. Quote: we want all the WP we can get Logi's actually make quite a bit more WP on their own if a significant portion of the team is not in squads. Since Drop Uplinks are squad specific, joining a squad means that fewer people will have access to those spawn locations and will lower the amount of WP generated for the Logi. That's the current issue for Logistics players. You will rarely find one willing to pug squad while in a match, because it's worth less for that player to join. I stay in the larger team squad unless I am running Corp squads or the inviting pug squad has recognizably good players that will make it worth my time.


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