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Icy TIG3R
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:26:00 -
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They're right.
Bad players have f***** this game up.
"Lower strafing we can't aim"
"Nerf all weapons but AR's"
"Nerf Heavy's"
"Nerf tanks"
"Nerf the dropsuit HP cause we can't do proper 1 v 1's"
This same sort of **** killed Starhawk, Halo (to an extent), Killzone 3, and many others.
The developers have a vision. They know whats up.
And so far, ever since more players have been let in, its gotten worse and worse.
And the sad part is, a lot of you don't get it. Many Imperfects know the direction of this game (the ones who started Imperfects), and many others as well,but they just get shot down.
In short, the player base is killing the game. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1900
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:28:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:In short, the player base is killing the game.
You heard Dr. House. Start treating for playerbase and let me know when the patient gets better or dies.
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Isaa Quade
PROJECT 86 U
145
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:29:00 -
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Stop?
They never did in the first place |
Shady IceCream Truck
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
37
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:32:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:In short, the player base is killing the game. You heard Dr. House. Start treating for playerbase and let me know when the patient gets better or dies.
lol..
hes got a point.. AR arent ruining this game.. its a wrap..ruined |
True Adamance
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:34:00 -
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Would like to see next update/ In future updates.
- All racial dropsuits
-All racial Assault Rifles, and Side Arm, and Heavy Weapons
-Resurgence of the Chromosome Tank including the Marauders and Enforcers
-Give those dedicated Dropshippers those WP earning mechanics.
We could then give feed back to balance these fully. That way nobody should be complaining this game doesn't have enough content (we get all the ground game stuff out like HAV, Dropsuits etc as well as get Dropships earning WP and we'd have far less QQ threads)
Future wise
-LAV turrets being better/ more precise so they become the mobile turrets they were mean to be
- Perhaps ECM as was mentioned at Fanfest, messing with peoples mini maps, making turrets overheat, scanning and more.
-Meaningful Faction Warfare
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Cygnus 2112
D3LTA ACADEMY
19
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:36:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:They're right. Bad players have f***** this game up. "Lower strafing we can't aim" "Nerf all weapons but AR's" "Nerf Heavy's" "Nerf tanks" "Nerf the dropsuit HP cause we can't do proper 1 v 1's" This same sort of **** killed Starhawk, Halo (to an extent), Killzone 3, and many others. Sad but true  The developers have a vision. They know whats up. And so far, ever since more players have been let in, its gotten worse and worse. And the sad part is, a lot of you don't get it. Many Imperfects know the direction of this game (the ones who started Imperfects), and many others as well,but they just get shot down. In short, the player base is killing the game.
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Cygnus 2112
D3LTA ACADEMY
19
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:37:00 -
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Cygnus 2112 wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:They're right. Bad players have f***** this game up. "Lower strafing we can't aim" "Nerf all weapons but AR's" "Nerf Heavy's" "Nerf tanks" "Nerf the dropsuit HP cause we can't do proper 1 v 1's" This same sort of **** killed Starhawk, Halo (to an extent), Killzone 3, and many others. Sad but true The developers have a vision. They know whats up. And so far, ever since more players have been let in, its gotten worse and worse. And the sad part is, a lot of you don't get it. Many Imperfects know the direction of this game (the ones who started Imperfects), and many others as well,but they just get shot down. In short, the player base is killing the game.
Dont know why that posted in the middle of the quote? |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
659
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:39:00 -
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this coming from the king of QQers |
Protocake JR
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
78
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:42:00 -
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I think the issue is more about CCP being incompetent FPS developers. They are small and new to this genre. They have been listening to us quite a bit, but there errors derive from poorly executing any community requested feature/balance adjustment.
They always under/overcook their products.
They can never get it right. |
Arron Rift
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:42:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:
This same sort of **** killed Starhawk, Halo (to an extent), Killzone 3, and many others.
Holla!
Sorry, it just that I actually enjoy that quirky, little-known game, and it makes me happy every time I meet another player :P
And now you may resume all of your conversations that were actually on topic :D |
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Esper Shadows
Copper Dogs
13
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:45:00 -
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I've seen a lot of good suggestions in the feedback/request channel as well as some crappy ones. Actually, there's far too much feedback to implement even a significant portion in the short run.
Its more about good judgement and discretion in determining *which* suggestions to implement and then there is execution risk as well. In other words, good suggestion, good intentions, but crappy implementation. Many ways to screw up a game. Only a couple ways to do it right. That's life |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:46:00 -
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Starhawk was dead before it even launched,a game was made but not designed. |
Don Von Hulio
Not Guilty
EoN.
276
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:46:00 -
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Well OP is right, from the footage ive seen the CCP devs do kinda suck at playing DUST...
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BatKing Deltor
Tank Bros.
DARKSTAR ARMY
32
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Would like to see next update/ In future updates.
- All racial dropsuits
-All racial Assault Rifles, and Side Arm, and Heavy Weapons
-Resurgence of the Chromosome Tank including the Marauders and Enforcers
-Give those dedicated Dropshippers those WP earning mechanics.
We could then give feed back to balance these fully. That way nobody should be complaining this game doesn't have enough content (we get all the ground game stuff out like HAV, Dropsuits etc as well as get Dropships earning WP and we'd have far less QQ threads)
Future wise
-LAV turrets being better/ more precise so they become the mobile turrets they were mean to be
- Perhaps ECM as was mentioned at Fanfest, messing with peoples mini maps, making turrets overheat, scanning and more.
-Meaningful Faction Warfare
Add "48 players" to that list, which I saw was supposed to be in uprising but that never happened... |
Don Von Hulio
Not Guilty
EoN.
276
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:51:00 -
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48 players matches... BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH........pffffHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
*ahem*... heheHAHA...*cough*.
You thought servers sucked now, i cant imagine the BS in 48 player matches.
Edit: OP, are you secretly a dev or someone who isnt just another player, or have you been self appointed to a status above the norm (King QQ doesnt count)? Because you are just telling CCP to not listen to your advice about not listening.... |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:52:00 -
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Absolute nonsense.
When we asked to make LAVs more useful did we ask them to become the best way to farm kills? When we asked to tone down the Viziam LR, did we ask to make it a laser pointer? When we asked to refine weapon ranges and provide more of a reason to spec into something besides AR, did we ask to make the tac AR the only AR worth using? Did we ask to screw up aiming even more?
We asked for some sort of matchmaking for pub matches so that new and casual player wouldn't be gang raped constantly. We got the academy instead, which while helping new players, does nothing to address rampant pub stomping after earning the required WPs. We asked to make the skill system more intuitive and instead received more sp sinks and wasted abilities. The damn needle is still borked. We still get stuck on terrain. etc. etc. etc.
There's a difference between hearing player feedback and understanding it.
Don't lay this abortion at our feet. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
17
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:01:00 -
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We, as the dust community are privliged to have developers listen to us, for that I am thankfull. I agree with you Tiger, there are people who complain about something that needs to be nerfed just because they got killed by it. What a bunch of grade A squezeable double D noobies |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
145
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:48:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:They're right.
Bad players have f***** this game up.
"Lower strafing we can't aim"
"Nerf all weapons but AR's"
"Nerf Heavy's"
"Nerf tanks"
"Nerf the dropsuit HP cause we can't do proper 1 v 1's"
This same sort of **** killed Starhawk, Halo (to an extent), Killzone 3, and many others.
The developers have a vision. They know whats up.
And so far, ever since more players have been let in, its gotten worse and worse.
And the sad part is, a lot of you don't get it. Many Imperfects know the direction of this game (the ones who started Imperfects), and many others as well,but they just get shot down.
In short, the player base is killing the game.
SH, great game btw go see its ultimate edition price in the PS store and see your draw drop when you consider its a full AAA game that has all that DLC, has split screen man the list goes on, so for being a bit off topic here but had to give a shout out. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:10:00 -
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So CCP should listen to one tiny, tiny subsection of the playerbase? Would that subset happen to be Call of Duty kids?
Why should they direct the vision of Dust? |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
137
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:15:00 -
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Uprising has been a steaming pile not because they listen to us, but because they decided to rush. Shanghai is inexperienced as a developer and CCP are inexperienced when it comes to making FPS. We don't put a gun to their head and tell them to use our ideas, they still have a final say. Go ahead, blame the players, it worked out well with Capcom when they cancelled Megaman Legends 3... |
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Draco Dustflier
DUST University
Ivy League
59
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:39:00 -
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they need use the data for changes made to the game, at least for weapon balance. track how well the best players do with each weapon, and if the average kd spikes with a certain weapon *cough* TAR *cough* or they get nothing but assist with another (LRs, snipers, mass drivers, etc.) then the former needs a nerf while the latter needs a buff. l
they use a similar system in black ops 2, and like it or not, that is one of the most balanced games ever. A great and well rounded player can do well regardless of what they are using.
As long as ccp isn't completely ********, they'll test out the weapons to see what makes them overpowered or underpowered rather than giving them godlike stats across all levels or nerfing them into oblivion. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
188
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:40:00 -
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Worthless thread is worthless - HTFU! |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
510
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:08:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Absolute nonsense.
When we asked to make LAVs more useful did we ask them to become the best way to farm kills? When we asked to tone down the Viziam LR, did we ask to make it a laser pointer? When we asked to refine weapon ranges and provide more of a reason to spec into something besides AR, did we ask to make the tac AR the only AR worth using? Did we ask to screw up aiming even more?
We asked for some sort of matchmaking for pub matches so that new and casual player wouldn't be gang raped constantly. We got the academy instead, which while helping new players, does nothing to address rampant pub stomping after earning the required WPs. We asked to make the skill system more intuitive and instead received more sp sinks and wasted abilities. The damn needle is still borked. We still get stuck on terrain. etc. etc. etc.
There's a difference between hearing player feedback and understanding it.
Don't lay this abortion at our feet.
This post right here is pure win. +1
It is impossible for the players to ruin the game with feedback alone, we are not the ones coding the game and applying changes, CCP is. How CCP interprets and implements our suggestions is up to them, not us. What suggestions and feedback they use, if any, is their choice and their choice alone.
Pretty much every nerf or buff they have applied has been too much or too little. Broad changes are great for a beta and all, but when it comes to the final product you are only supposed to make minute adjustments until it is just right. Not nerf it into oblivion where it is useless, or buff it to extreme levels in which it is crazy OP.
With a game like Dust where you have to spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of SP just for an extra 5% shields, I am surprised they nerf and buff so liberally. I mean it takes a crap ton of SP and time just to get an extra 10-15% of something, which may take weeks or months to acquire. We are used to gaining small increments in things, and any changes to the balance of weapons, vehicles, or whatever, need to be made in small increments, not giant steps (unless it requires a giant step, which is rare).
CCP has nobody to blame but themselves for the success or failure of this game when it comes to applying changes.
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S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
95
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:11:00 -
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then close the forums |
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