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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1434
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:52:00 -
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Obviously I'm exaggerating, but ever since Uprising released there's been a hell of a lot less Logibros out there. Might HAV something to do with the terribad sticking system that puts the heart in the ankles.... yanno, whenever it's there to begin with. |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
45
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:54:00 -
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I use my needle when i can, but those proto-stompers make my job hard to revive anyone outside my squad, and since everyone else runs a proto caldari logi suit to play assault, don't expect the guys in the logi-suit to have needle. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
203
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:55:00 -
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yup usually by a corp mate |
Cpt Merdock
Ninth Legion Freelance
6
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Obviously I'm exaggerating, but ever since Uprising released there's been a hell of a lot less Logibros out there. Might HAV something to do with the terribad sticking system that puts the heart in the ankles.... yanno, whenever it's there to begin with.
I run Logi..and i have a hard time picking up people with a needle sometimes..but like someone else said..most are caldari logi s for the extra slots and health.. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
767
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:57:00 -
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I am a logi with a needle. It works only sometimes and ppl dont wait half the time anyway. |
Dust HaHakoke
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:01:00 -
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I was revived once in the time before time.... it was glorious |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:02:00 -
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Cpt Merdock wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Obviously I'm exaggerating, but ever since Uprising released there's been a hell of a lot less Logibros out there. Might HAV something to do with the terribad sticking system that puts the heart in the ankles.... yanno, whenever it's there to begin with. I run Logi..and i have a hard time picking up people with a needle sometimes..but like someone else said..most are caldari logi s for the extra slots and health..
Honestly i think they shouldn't have so many extra slots. Equipment wise sure, but the high powered and low powered should be lowered by 1 or 2, they should not be designed to fight, and more reliant on a heavy to protect them from danger. |
HighTimesSW
TeamPlayers EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:04:00 -
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Uprising broke the needle. If u jump, sneeze, fart, get hit by a car, get unlucky, or the logi cant find your body because it isn't there.
You wont get pick up! We have excellent logis that were really good with needles pre uprising but now they have so many issues they don't even run the needle because it doesn't work 95% of the time.
What were we testing for the year, where did that game go? |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
93
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:06:00 -
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u mean like jesus? |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
49
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:06:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:I am a logi with a needle. It works only sometimes and ppl dont wait half the time anyway.
Exactly, and CCP has little incentive to fix it because if people with AUR items aren't getting revived then they have to buy more AUR, therefore more profit. |
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Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:11:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I am a logi with a needle. It works only sometimes and ppl dont wait half the time anyway. Exactly, and CCP has little incentive to fix it because if people with AUR items aren't getting revived then they have to buy more AUR, therefore more profit.
AUR items have ISK equivalents. So how would it matter to CCP if the people using AUR gear lose AUR gear, when there are those who use the ISK gear and are losing that as well. So what is your point again? |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
93
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:12:00 -
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Adam Average wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I am a logi with a needle. It works only sometimes and ppl dont wait half the time anyway. Exactly, and CCP has little incentive to fix it because if people with AUR items aren't getting revived then they have to buy more AUR, therefore more profit. AUR items have ISK equivalents. So how would it matter to CCP if the people using AUR gear lose AUR gear, when there are those who use the ISK gear and are losing that as well. So what is your point again?
yeah shtty equivalents
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Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
135
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:12:00 -
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Aside from heavies, you do realize that everyone can carry a nanite injector, right? |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:13:00 -
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S0LlD SNAKE wrote:Adam Average wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I am a logi with a needle. It works only sometimes and ppl dont wait half the time anyway. Exactly, and CCP has little incentive to fix it because if people with AUR items aren't getting revived then they have to buy more AUR, therefore more profit. AUR items have ISK equivalents. So how would it matter to CCP if the people using AUR gear lose AUR gear, when there are those who use the ISK gear and are losing that as well. So what is your point again? yeah shtty equivalents
Oh you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4848
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:14:00 -
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TACs are making it hard to revive people. |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:17:00 -
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I think CCP should add more items that can help out everyone. The repair tool is great for armor but more people are using more shields and less armor. The heavies are the best but most of them think that they are unstoppable with me repairing them and they just go Rambo. I will NOT follow a heavy if he is feeling like Rambo. I want CCP to add an item that recovers shields. I am willing to give up my Light weapon slot for it |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:20:00 -
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WhiteMage7322 wrote:I think CCP should add more items that can help out everyone. The repair tool is great for armor but more people are using more shields and less armor. The heavies are the best but most of them think that they are unstoppable with me repairing them and they just go Rambo. I will NOT follow a heavy if he is feeling like Rambo. I want CCP to add an item that recovers shields. I am willing to give up my Light weapon slot for it
The only problem i have with a something that can repair shields, is that there would be no point in stacking armor to have a repair tool able to repair what is left, and since it slows you down that is the disadvantage of stacking armor, stacking shields has no disadvantage other than a slight loss of potential damage, they don't slow you down for equipping more shield extenders. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
769
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:25:00 -
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Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults. |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:26:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults.
I support this. +1. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
198
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:26:00 -
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4 times total so far =) |
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
198
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:28:00 -
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Adam Average wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults. I support this. +1.
I agree actually this makes sense , of course all the people that are playing logi's because they are better assault would nw demand yet another respec |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:30:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Adam Average wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults. I support this. +1. I agree actually this makes sense , of course all the people that are playing logi's because they are better assault would nw demand yet another respec
Oh well. Logistics suits should be specialized for logistics purposes, guess that means more logi-bros. I've been hearing talks about how extremely powerful SMGs are. |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
135
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:32:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults. Logis aren't better assaults, they just have better fitting options to make them versatile. Look at their base stats and compare them to their racial assault equivalent. The Amarr suit is the most underpowered, Gallente and Minmatar are well balanced, but the Caldari racial bonus needs to be reworked. Having up to 35% shield module efficiency is on the level of game breaking. But despite that, flux grenades, scrambler rifles and even scrambler pistols can make short work of them since they're usually slow and 3 out of the 4 suits lack a sidearm. If you can't kill a logi pretending to be an assault, look at the faults in your fittings before you judge another. I've seen a lot of Minmatar assaults running with dual flaylocks that get 4 shots in the clip thanks to their racial bonus. Are you going to complain about that too because they figured out a new way to play? |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:33:00 -
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Adam Average wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:I think CCP should add more items that can help out everyone. The repair tool is great for armor but more people are using more shields and less armor. The heavies are the best but most of them think that they are unstoppable with me repairing them and they just go Rambo. I will NOT follow a heavy if he is feeling like Rambo. I want CCP to add an item that recovers shields. I am willing to give up my Light weapon slot for it The only problem i have with a something that can repair shields, is that there would be no point in stacking armor to have a repair tool able to repair what is left, and since it slows you down that is the disadvantage of stacking armor, stacking shields has no disadvantage other than a slight loss of potential damage, they don't slow you down for equipping more shield extenders.
I can see what you mean but when I try to repair a heavy there will be other that will repair it too, making it repair much faster but getting less WP out of it. I made my character with the idea of becoming a medic but with everyone with a nanohive and repair tool, it just become into race to repair and restock. There is times that I just play as a medic, half of the time I am looking for someone to repair their armor or restock their ammo but they are always running from me. What else is there to do? I am to the point where I am giving up on becoming a medic and just killing. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
769
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:36:00 -
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Jenova's Witness wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults. Logis aren't better assaults, they just have better fitting options to make them versatile. Look at their base stats and compare them to their racial assault equivalent. The Amarr suit is the most underpowered, Gallente and Minmatar are well balanced, but the Caldari racial bonus needs to be reworked. Having up to 35% shield module efficiency is on the level of game breaking. But despite that, flux grenades, scrambler rifles and even scrambler pistols can make short work of them since they're usually slow and 3 out of the 4 suits lack a sidearm. If you can't kill a logi pretending to be an assault, look at the faults in your fittings before you judge another. I've seen a lot of Minmatar assaults running with dual flaylocks that get 4 shots in the clip thanks to their racial bonus. Are you going to complain about that too because they figured out a new way to play? Caldari logi makes for a outstanding assault. |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:40:00 -
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WhiteMage7322 wrote:Adam Average wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:I think CCP should add more items that can help out everyone. The repair tool is great for armor but more people are using more shields and less armor. The heavies are the best but most of them think that they are unstoppable with me repairing them and they just go Rambo. I will NOT follow a heavy if he is feeling like Rambo. I want CCP to add an item that recovers shields. I am willing to give up my Light weapon slot for it The only problem i have with a something that can repair shields, is that there would be no point in stacking armor to have a repair tool able to repair what is left, and since it slows you down that is the disadvantage of stacking armor, stacking shields has no disadvantage other than a slight loss of potential damage, they don't slow you down for equipping more shield extenders. I can see what you mean but when I try to repair a heavy there will be other that will repair it too, making it repair much faster but getting less WP out of it. I made my character with the idea of becoming a medic but with everyone with a nanohive and repair tool, it just become into race to repair and restock. There is times that I just play as a medic, half of the time I am looking for someone to repair their armor or restock their ammo but they are always running from me. What else is there to do? I am to the point where I am giving up on becoming a medic and just killing.
Have you used the core repair tool? Once at least the caldari logisuit passive is reduced or changed, there will be less people running around with repair tools, so you'll be able to heal people like a proper medic, and those core repair tools are just awesome feeling. |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:53:00 -
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Adam Average wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:Adam Average wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:I think CCP should add more items that can help out everyone. The repair tool is great for armor but more people are using more shields and less armor. The heavies are the best but most of them think that they are unstoppable with me repairing them and they just go Rambo. I will NOT follow a heavy if he is feeling like Rambo. I want CCP to add an item that recovers shields. I am willing to give up my Light weapon slot for it The only problem i have with a something that can repair shields, is that there would be no point in stacking armor to have a repair tool able to repair what is left, and since it slows you down that is the disadvantage of stacking armor, stacking shields has no disadvantage other than a slight loss of potential damage, they don't slow you down for equipping more shield extenders. I can see what you mean but when I try to repair a heavy there will be other that will repair it too, making it repair much faster but getting less WP out of it. I made my character with the idea of becoming a medic but with everyone with a nanohive and repair tool, it just become into race to repair and restock. There is times that I just play as a medic, half of the time I am looking for someone to repair their armor or restock their ammo but they are always running from me. What else is there to do? I am to the point where I am giving up on becoming a medic and just killing. Have you used the core repair tool? Once at least the caldari logisuit passive is reduced or changed, there will be less people running around with repair tools, so you'll be able to heal people like a proper medic, and those core repair tools are just awesome feeling.
I have used up my 4.5 mil SP. I would like to get to prototype repair tool but I am stuck on advanced dropsuit. I would really love to have a x3 SP again and my CPU is so limited with the advanced dropsuit to the point that i need to equip basic equipment. I would love to see CCP do a Medic dropsuit instead of Logistic with some bonus on the Nanohive, Repair tool and Nanite Injectors. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
34
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:23:00 -
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I'm liking the uprise of Nanite-Injectors-don't-work-awareness-threads lately. Keep them coming, it's better than bumping this Thread. |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
47
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:28:00 -
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WhiteMage7322 wrote:Adam Average wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:Adam Average wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:I think CCP should add more items that can help out everyone. The repair tool is great for armor but more people are using more shields and less armor. The heavies are the best but most of them think that they are unstoppable with me repairing them and they just go Rambo. I will NOT follow a heavy if he is feeling like Rambo. I want CCP to add an item that recovers shields. I am willing to give up my Light weapon slot for it The only problem i have with a something that can repair shields, is that there would be no point in stacking armor to have a repair tool able to repair what is left, and since it slows you down that is the disadvantage of stacking armor, stacking shields has no disadvantage other than a slight loss of potential damage, they don't slow you down for equipping more shield extenders. I can see what you mean but when I try to repair a heavy there will be other that will repair it too, making it repair much faster but getting less WP out of it. I made my character with the idea of becoming a medic but with everyone with a nanohive and repair tool, it just become into race to repair and restock. There is times that I just play as a medic, half of the time I am looking for someone to repair their armor or restock their ammo but they are always running from me. What else is there to do? I am to the point where I am giving up on becoming a medic and just killing. Have you used the core repair tool? Once at least the caldari logisuit passive is reduced or changed, there will be less people running around with repair tools, so you'll be able to heal people like a proper medic, and those core repair tools are just awesome feeling. I have used up my 4.5 mil SP. I would like to get to prototype repair tool but I am stuck on advanced dropsuit. I would really love to have a x3 SP again and my CPU is so limited with the advanced dropsuit to the point that i need to equip basic equipment. I would love to see CCP do a Medic dropsuit instead of Logistic with some bonus on the Nanohive, Repair tool and Nanite Injectors.
I don't see how your CPU is limited, unless you haven't bothered to upgrade electronics and engineering, i feel sorry for you if you neglected those skills. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
310
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:35:00 -
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I tried to start running with a needle again and everyone just bleeds out or it doesn't work. I used it maybe 5 or 6 times over a period of 10 matches so I took it off again.
I don't even consider getting picked up when I die.
It's completely broken.
I drop uplinks and proto nanohives, I used to love running logi but the role changed. Those still running traditional logi I think are doing a disservice to themselves.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
198
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:41:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I tried to start running with a needle again and everyone just bleeds out or it doesn't work. I used it maybe 5 or 6 times over a period of 10 matches so I took it off again.
I don't even consider getting picked up when I die.
It's completely broken.
I drop uplinks and proto nanohives, I used to love running logi but the role changed. Those still running traditional logi I think are doing a disservice to themselves.
yep I honestly forget it can happen, the 4 times it happened I was so dumbfounded at being picked up I had no idea what happened.
I was second guessing remembering dieing, before the thought of being picked up, that's how bad it is. |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
135
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:51:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote: Jenova's Witness wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Fix the needle, change the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot.
Logis would be logistics, not better assaults. Logis aren't better assaults, they just have better fitting options to make them versatile. Look at their base stats and compare them to their racial assault equivalent. The Amarr suit is the most underpowered, Gallente and Minmatar are well balanced, but the Caldari racial bonus needs to be reworked. Having up to 35% shield module efficiency is on the level of game breaking. But despite that, flux grenades, scrambler rifles and even scrambler pistols can make short work of them since they're usually slow and 3 out of the 4 suits lack a sidearm. If you can't kill a logi pretending to be an assault, look at the faults in your fittings before you judge another. I've seen a lot of Minmatar assaults running with dual flaylocks that get 4 shots in the clip thanks to their racial bonus. Are you going to complain about that too because they figured out a new way to play? Caldari logi makes for an outstanding assault. Like I said above, their racial bonus to shield extenders is too powerful. The bonus needs to be scaled down to bring it down to the level of the other suits. Limiting them to sidearms isn't the answer. I'm a heavy and I'd rather have a logi with me fighting and patching me up between fights than a private butler that's more of a liability. Looking at the assaults though, out of curiosity, how often do you see them taking advantage of that shield recharging bonus? The potential for +35% shield recharger efficiency seems pretty useful if you fit accordingly. Is everyone just relying on complex extenders and a buffer or something? |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
165
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:01:00 -
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Yep, both ways after Uprising. Once stayed at kill screen. Was able to see needle aproaching. Readied my L stick and even managed to do POWERSLIDE All you have to do is stay in kill screen apparently to get rezzed... and to rezz succesfully.
Maybe there is some corelation with staying at kill screen and rezzing? Like if you go to respawn screen, needles stop working? |
Jammer Jalapeno
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:14:00 -
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Well it doesn't help that you have to skill into LvL 3 Med suits to become a logi, that might have scared some people away and yes the Freaking revive is broken...can only pick up people half the time.
Don't get me wrong I do like the new advancements , but I think the whole revive system was better before the uprising. It was easier to locate someone and you could also pick someone up in no time, instead of dancing around their body. |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
501
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:21:00 -
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Needles are HARD to use. When a guy dies, you have to search around where he died to find the revive point. If he got ran over then the revive point is probably strung in the air, and you'll never find it... and probably get run over too. If they hit the corpsewith enough damage as it falls, they'll probably be doubletapped and dead, so Shotgun kills, TAR kills, Forge Gun kills, and grenade kills are almost always dead-dead, as are Flaylock and Mass Driver direct hits. Furthermore, people attempting to dodge via a bunnyhop will also have their revive point lodged in the air, so they'll be just as hard to res as LAV splatter victims.
In short, F^&* the GAWDDAMNED RAGDOLLS IN THE ARSE WITH A BLOODY NEEDLE! Not like it'll do anything... |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
166
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:26:00 -
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I might be wrong but it seems to me staying at kill screen gives longer bleed out than calling for help at respawn screen. Could you take notice of this and report it back in this thread?
I think seeking for fallen mercs is easier now. Thanx to the distance indicator. The same is when waiting for a rez. You can see now how far away a logi is from you.
If only CCP added CALL FOR HELP to the kill screen... |
Templar Renegade201
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:38:00 -
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Tweak the suit bonuses for the Logi's, particularly for caldari, reduce the CPU and PG of the suits significantly but give all Logi's an additional bonus that reduces the pg and CPU requirements of equipment fitted.
And the needle is seriously broken in uprising. |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:40:00 -
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In 4 hours of play today i was revived 3 times. |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:09:00 -
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the legend says that once upon a time, in new eden, a revive tool existed, and that clones could be revived, i know this sound really farfetch, i mean a guy i just killed with my TAR is standing up again?, IMPOSSIBRUU, but it doesnt matters anymore, since the knowledge of that revive toll was lost and only rumors remain, and probably will remain like that until just a myth remains... |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1435
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TACs are making it hard to revive people.
Oh wow. Way to plug the TAC argument dude. Lame. |
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Nova Fortis
Commando Perkone Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:19:00 -
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I have been several times and I really appreciate it.
I carry the nanite injector, although it only works ~40% of the time for me. Earlier today I was moving around a clone's body and finally managed to revive it-but I was 3m away! Anyway, I try to revive when it's safe to do so. |
Azri Sarum
843 Boot Camp
24
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:31:00 -
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If rezzing wasn't so damn tricky people might use it more.
I found it much easier to pull out the injector (manual usage) and then do a quick strafe through the body in a sort of X pattern while mashing the trigger to use it. I can almost always get the injector to go off that way, people only seem to get the revive ~50% of the time though.
So it comes down to you are running around a body with an injector out, like a chicken with his head cut off, getting shot at, all for a rather iffy chance the person actually gets the revive. Is it any wonder why nano injectors are going the way of the dodo? |
Tufty Macdoodle
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:38:00 -
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I've been brought back to life a lot, only problem is i alway get shot by the same person before i get back off the ground, pain in the ass, wish they just leave me to bleed out |
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