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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:28:00 -
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No. Is a different way to make money from a game. Nothing is "free" in life. Why i just make a thread about this, you may ask.
Because I getting kitten sick of hearing people saying, that We have not rights, because is a F2P game.
CCP is making money from Dust 514 with AUR... EvE is not paying for Dust 514, CCP is paying for Dust 514. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:41:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XiBravo wrote:DS 10 wrote:You don't have to pay to have any type of in-game advantage over other players. I'm goin to have to disagree with you on this one... Name 3 pay-to-win items that CCP haven't already announced plans to fix or release an ISK version of?
Let me ask you a question... :
If Dust 514 is truly "Free", why the game have a cash currency ( AUR ). ? |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:49:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:XiBravo wrote:DS 10 wrote:You don't have to pay to have any type of in-game advantage over other players. I'm goin to have to disagree with you on this one... Name 3 pay-to-win items that CCP haven't already announced plans to fix or release an ISK version of? Let me ask you a question... : If Dust 514 is truly "Free", why the game have a cash currency ( AUR ). ? Can you define 'Free to Play' for me ... I'm having trouble understanding it !?
The "get one, get one free" logic. You don't really getting a "Free" thing, because you paying double in the 1st place. Oldest trick in the book. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:16:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:XiBravo wrote:DS 10 wrote:You don't have to pay to have any type of in-game advantage over other players. I'm goin to have to disagree with you on this one... Name 3 pay-to-win items that CCP haven't already announced plans to fix or release an ISK version of?
I can say 2 BIG ones.
- BPO's that allow you to make ISK faster. ( Access to Proto gear in regular basics )
- Passive SP boosters that give you a HUGE skills advantage. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:22:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:No. Is a different way to make money from a game. Nothing is "free" in life. Why i just make a thread about this, you may ask.
Because I getting kitten sick of hearing people saying, that We have not rights, because is a F2P game.
CCP is making money from Dust 514 with AUR... EvE is not paying for Dust 514, CCP is paying for Dust 514. No...just no. It's not possible to be that stupid. is it?
Who ? you or me ? |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:55:00 -
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Numot MTG wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:XiBravo wrote:DS 10 wrote:You don't have to pay to have any type of in-game advantage over other players. I'm goin to have to disagree with you on this one... Name 3 pay-to-win items that CCP haven't already announced plans to fix or release an ISK version of? I can say 2 BIG ones. - BPO's that allow you to make ISK faster. ( Access to Proto gear in regular basics ) - Passive SP boosters that give you a HUGE skills advantage. You sir are an idiot. Those items give you no advantage over other players at all. You get you ISK and SP faster then I can. Ok, so what if I get my new toy a week after you get it? I still get all the same items you get. You have no advantage. We really need a dislike button that we can hit on guys like you.
Fact 1: Is a 6,000,000+ sp CAP, because people are been using passive boosters every week.
Fact 2 : BPO's don't cost ISK to run, and they are as effective as the ISK equivalents. You can get Proto gear 3 times faster using BPO's.
That is Pay To Win.... Sorry if you dislike the truth. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:08:00 -
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Lilah Silverstone wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
That is Pay To Win.... Sorry if you dislike the truth.
You're mistaking pay to win with pay to get proto gear. Proto gear and winning are not mutually exclusive.
Wat !?!?
( Facepalm ) |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:16:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:Who cares if it's pay to win your wrong but who cares it's a company not a charity organization. Listen go start up a company make a free game figure out how you're going to pay your employees. Then come back and tell us the results of said fail experiment. I'm smart enough to know nothing in life is free or fair, if CCP wants to sell AUR items that give a slight advantage MORE POWER TO THEM, guess what I will buy it. Tears I love it
That is exactly my point...
The game may be F2P... what we still are "Paying" costumers. Some people thinks that F2P means; that CCP is doing all this to keep EvE players happy ...And that is far from the truth. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:23:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:XiBravo wrote:DS 10 wrote:You don't have to pay to have any type of in-game advantage over other players. I'm goin to have to disagree with you on this one... Name 3 pay-to-win items that CCP haven't already announced plans to fix or release an ISK version of? I can say 2 BIG ones. - BPO's that allow you to make ISK faster. ( Access to Proto gear in regular basics ) - Passive SP boosters that give you a HUGE skills advantage. BPOs that let you do things FASTER, but don't give you access to anything that a non-paying player can get? SP Boosters that let you do things FASTER, but don't give you access to anything that a non-paying player can get? Yep. That's totally pay-to-win.
Lets you "Win" Faster, AKA ; Pay To Win.
You can't defend this.. sorry. Cosmetics or Expansions will be a different story, but not this. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:33:00 -
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POCKPICKETER wrote:Templar Renegade164 wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:I've never spent money on DUST and I still play it. Completely for free. You don't have to pay to play, but they give you the option to be a little bit a head of everyone else, that's your choice, but you don't not have to pay to play this game, unless you are talking about having to pay for internet and having to pay for a PS3 so you can pay the game, but if you already do those things then this is a free to play game Indeed True!
Lets see how long Dust 514 will last, if no one buys AUR, yes ? |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:04:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:XiBravo wrote:DS 10 wrote:You don't have to pay to have any type of in-game advantage over other players. I'm goin to have to disagree with you on this one... Name 3 pay-to-win items that CCP haven't already announced plans to fix or release an ISK version of? I can say 2 BIG ones. - BPO's that allow you to make ISK faster. ( Access to Proto gear in regular basics ) - Passive SP boosters that give you a HUGE skills advantage. I don't think you are understanding what the term "Pay-to-win" means in these types of games. Pay to win refers to a practice where certain items in the store are unavailable by any means in the rest of the game. These items are also not simply cosmetic or make you spend lest time grinding, but instead are something akin to "golden ammo", ammo that is literally better than anything else. An example of a true "pay-to-win" item would be a super-protosuit or something else that is objectively better than any ISK equivalent. On the matter of SP boosters, and BPOs, these don't fall into the category of Pay to Win. Instead they use what is the common practice for free to play games "Pay to Advance." In the Pay to Advance model the game has natural hurdles, or things that must be grinded to ensure your character gains in ability in the game. They then introduce items that let you pay money to skip some of that grinding, or at least make it go by faster. This is what skill boosters do. A unboosted player will still reach the same skills as a booster player, just slower. You should also note that Skill points don't give uncapped advantages. Ultimately there is a limit to how skills can boost your character in any one suit, and you can't go beyond that. All those extra skill points in tanking won't help your already maxed forge gunner at all. The unboosted player merely has to grind more to reach that point. The BPOs follow the same principle but instead of avoiding the SP grind, it allows players to avoid the ISK grind. The suits you can buy a BPO of are cheap. Like less than 10k isk cheap. With costs for those items so low it isn't much of a hurdle to pay those costs per match, assuming one does not lose a huge number of suits. Ultimately if one were to use all BPO variants instead of the same level counterparts they would only be "gaining" a small portion of ISK per match, something around 20k ISK. Again, nothing stops a non-paying player from making as much ISK as somebody with a BPO, the BPO user (assuming he is using those BPOs and hasn't upgraded to better gear) simply makes the money a tad faster. Generally the "Pay to Advance" Model exists to allow players with more income than free time to still be competitive in a game, without having to sacrifice as much time. TL;DR: The two things you mentioned aren't Pay to Win.
All that "Blah, Blah" is just a guide line.
Pay To Win is anything that you buy with cash, that give you an unfair advantage against other players. |
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