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Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 708	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:39:00 - [1] - Quote We all know EVE and DUST were down for the better part of yesterday and this morning due to a DDoS attack on CCP. While I'm sure we all appreciate CCP's valiant and sleepless efforts to overcome this, we must also acknowledge both games were down. I think we, as a community, should be compensated for this loss. I think every DUST mercenary should be awarded 18 WP and 36 SP. In addition we should all be granted exclusive BPOs to jet placeholders similar to the following. Who's with me? Like this post if you agree!
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 708	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:43:00 - [2] - Quote Templar Renegade118 wrote: Grit Breather wrote: Like this post if you agree! Uhh no. Hey! Took a bit of effort coming up with nice wording. I can at least farm likes...
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 709	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:50:00 - [3] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Shut up ? DDOS attacks are serious ... stop thinking about yourself. Surely we deserve 36 SP for the ordeal?
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 709	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:57:00 - [4] - Quote Machariel Hammer wrote: Grit Breather wrote: We all know EVE and DUST were down for the better part of yesterday and this morning due to a DDoS attack on CCP. While I'm sure we all appreciate CCP's valiant and sleepless efforts to overcome this, we must also acknowledge both games were down. I think we, as a community, should be compensated for this loss. I think every DUST mercenary should be awarded 18 WP and 36 SP. In addition we should all be granted exclusive BPOs to jet placeholders similar to the following. Who's with me? Like this post if you agree! You need to read the EULA... Quote: While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available. The System may be suspended or interrupted from time to time or indefinitely, in CCPGÇÖs sole discretion, for such items as maintenance, repair, installation of Updates, installation of new releases, or termination of the beta. Your license does not entitle you to a refund for periods the System may be unavailable. 1. CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available. 2. Your license does not entitle you to a refund for periods the System may be unavailable If you have signed a different license please let me know, but as far as I know, everyone has signed the same EULA AND TOS. There you go, now shut up. Anyway, I think CCP may compensate us in somehow, but this is only under CCP's sole discretion. 18 WP and 36 SP should cover our losses.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 709	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:15:00 - [5] - Quote Adam Average wrote: After reading the amount of SP you suggest, i must say no. 36 SP is clearly too much, for it'll allow me access to upgrade a skill from level 1 to level 3, instead of me upgrading from level 1 to level 2 because i was lacking 36 SP. So yes, i support this. Exactly! I had a long sit down about these figures and my calculations ran across quite a few whiteboards. These seemed to make the most sense.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 712	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:23:00 - [6] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: I think 36 is way too low. 42 is a far better number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_The_Ultimate_Question_of_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe.2C_and_Everything_.2842.29 While I think we can all appreciate the invaluable powers hidden in '42', I think such a high value would unbalance DUST as we know it and give an unfair advantage to veterans over new players. I stand by my original request for 36 SP. I have added an image of my intricate calculations here for everyone's review.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 713	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:44:00 - [7] - Quote shaman oga wrote: i think we don't need any compensation if our personal data have not been touched. And what about the great loss to your in-game income? This should all be covered by the 18 WP and 36 SP compensation.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 713	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:52:00 - [8] - Quote shaman oga wrote: less than 24 hours without the possibility to play, it's not that much, they will reimburse passive sp, but this is not a compensation, it's a normal thing. However CCP has announced some form of compensation here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318&find=unread I just hope CCP will be wise enough to give us my very precisely calculated 18 WP and 36 SP. Any less would be a grave injustice!
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 713	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:59:00 - [9] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I think 10WP and 20SP are more than sufficient. There's no legitimate reason why we should get as much compensation as the OP suggests. And they shouldn't give us a new BPO, they should upgrade our current free LAVs to be the new Speeders that are coming. I don't think you have given it enough thought. Let me post my intricate calculations again so you can appreciate how I got to 18 WP and 36 SP. Grit Breather wrote: I have added an image of my intricate calculations here for everyone's review.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 715	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:23:00 - [10] - Quote Adam Average wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Grit Breather wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: I think 10WP and 20SP are more than sufficient. There's no legitimate reason why we should get as much compensation as the OP suggests. And they shouldn't give us a new BPO, they should upgrade our current free LAVs to be the new Speeders that are coming. I don't think you have given it enough thought. Let me post my intricate calculations again so you can appreciate how I got to 18 WP and 36 SP. Grit Breather wrote: I have added an image of my intricate calculations here for everyone's review. And my intricate calculations here say that we should only get 8 SP, 8 WP and a lie. I see numbers within your calculations that shows that they are flawed. 8x3? Seriously? Use better maths next time. I agree with my educated friend here. It is easy to see how you got to 8 WP and 8 SP through the errors in your left pane step. I suggest you go back to a clean whiteboard.

Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 717	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:29:00 - [11] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Grit Breather wrote: We all know EVE and DUST were down for the better part of yesterday and this morning due to a DDoS attack on CCP. While I'm sure we all appreciate CCP's valiant and sleepless efforts to overcome this, we must also acknowledge both games were down. I think we, as a community, should be compensated for this loss. I think every DUST mercenary should be awarded 18 WP and 36 SP. In addition we should all be granted exclusive BPOs to jet placeholders similar to the following. Who's with me? Like this post if you agree! It's a free game you gets nothing noob, EVE on the other hand is a paid subscription so EVE players like myself should get a little something. We lost a half a day and a whole night of legitimate gameplay. My calculations stand and I am adamant we deserve exactly 18 WP and 36 SP. This MUST be met!
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 722	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:45:00 - [12] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: The community troll approves of your post. You have my blessing. Do my complex calculations stand up to your logic?
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 722	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:49:00 - [13] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Also I think 10sp. Is fine we don't need more than that :-) I think 10 SP would be way too low. We did lose an entire night of gameplay after all.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 723	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:04:00 - [14] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Grit Breather wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: The community troll approves of your post. You have my blessing. Do my complex calculations stand up to your logic? Indeed they do. I especially liked how you managed to add tomato sauce and onions to them! However, your calculations are not complete! It should be: V = Pi(zz)a T = V V R = T ^ 0.5 O = Rmeow L1 = O - meow L2 = L1 / 0 While these calculations do indeed add dimensions of compensation I did not take into consideration, they do not seem to change the final outcome. Even after putting all my numbers through your grueling formulas I still get 18 WP and 36 SP as the most beneficial compensation amount for everyone.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 729	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:53:00 - [15] - Quote Egotistikal wrote: "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." -CCP 3x sp week would suffice :) As long as it's capped at 18 WP and 36 SP. I really can't stress enough how any more would break all balance in the game.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 730	Posted - 2013.06.03 13:41:00 - [16] - Quote SuperKing BigNuts wrote: Egotistikal wrote: "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." -CCP 3x sp week would suffice :) 3x SP week would only make the gap between beta players and future new-bros even worse... the current batch of new-bros would benefit, but then they would simply be joining the ranks of OP players stomping the new-bros who come after the 3x sp week... This is true. Very true. Just one of the many reasons I think 18 WP and 36 SP would suffice.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 730	Posted - 2013.06.03 14:25:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: My goodness. Such a clear example of entitlements. Good thing CCP never promised that the servers will always be up when we want them. You must be one of those forum trolls I keep hearing about. I'll have you know I spent the entire night fiddling with formulas which eventually brought me to those figures. I suggest you review my original post again and tell me what you think.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 732	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:15:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: My goodness. Such a clear example of entitlements. Good thing CCP never promised that the servers will always be up when we want them. Really, Maken? You're usually quicker on the uptake than this... I bet 18 WP and 36 SP would make him sharper
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 735	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:01:00 - [19] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I want my 36sp! And you shall have it my friend! Once CCP realise my math is flawless!
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 736	Posted - 2013.06.03 16:05:00 - [20] - Quote Adam Average wrote: Grit Breather wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I want my 36sp! And you shall have it my friend! Once CCP realise my math is flawless! He may be tricking you. He is only demanding his 36 SP. Where is his demands for 18 WP? Without the 18 WP, your entire solution is flawed. Don't worry dear poster. CCP won't pass him up and he shall also be awarded his 18 WP.

Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 737	Posted - 2013.06.04 07:34:00 - [21] - Quote gbghg wrote: I dunno, I'd rather have 42 sp. I'm am sorry my dear forum friend, but your logic is inadequate. Let me explain this again. I'll start by reminding of the fact that the long downtime period lasted an entire night and half a day. Using those figures in the following formula it is clearly evident that 18 WP are the ideal number for a partial compensation. As is clearly evident, this is only a partial compensation for our torment. Taking the above 18 WP figure and running it through the following fuzzy logic algorithm we quite easily arrive at a figure of 36 SP as the second part of our well deserved compensation. What still remains is the good will gesture from CCP. This, through very exhausting balancing exercises performed throughout the night, could only be achieved by allowing us access to the future jet in the form of a placeholder as I described in my original post. Grit Breather wrote: In addition we should all be granted exclusive BPOs to jet placeholders similar to the following. Best regards fellow forum warriors, May you live long and prosper!
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 745	Posted - 2013.06.04 14:00:00 - [22] - Quote gbghg wrote: As sound as your logic is, if we have the total amount of sp/WP at 42 it provides an answer to the question, which is vastly more important than anything else. I can only suggest the following. We will get the proposed and irrefutable 18 WP and 36 SP. We will get the jet placeholder as per the provided image. In addition we should all join an in-game channel with the name of '42'.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 745	Posted - 2013.06.04 14:03:00 - [23] - Quote Adam Average wrote: It provides an answer, not a solution. Why can't you see the that 18 WP and 36 SP is the solution we need, not the answer we seek. "They are not the values we deserve, but the ones we need."
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 751	Posted - 2013.06.05 11:02:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Grit Breather wrote: gbghg wrote: As sound as your logic is, if we have the total amount of sp/WP at 42 it provides an answer to the question, which is vastly more important than anything else. I can only suggest the following. We will get the proposed and irrefutable 18 WP and 36 SP. We will get the jet placeholder as per the provided image. In addition we should all join an in-game channel with the name of '42'. This third point intrigues me. It allows us to harness the power of 42, without unbalancing everything! Yes, that would indeed be the suggested outcome. In order to weed out the riffraff this channel could have a password of '42'.
Grit Breather BetaMax. CRONOS. 761	Posted - 2013.06.10 09:39:00 - [25] - Quote gbghg wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gbghg wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gbghg wrote: No, no, the password should be "what is 6x7?" That is the only correct to arrive at 42. 1x42 arrives at it, as does 2x21. 18 + 36 doesn't though, I begin to doubt the OP's calculations... I find your lack of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy knowledge disturbing. I will now commit seppuku. I shall join you for my failure. You cannot fail with 18 WP and 36 SP. The math is foolproof.