DUST Search - Tough Critics or Calling a spade a spade?

Delta 749 wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

It's a little of both. I don't think anyone, especially since Uprising, would hold this up as an example of good fps gameplay. However reviewers are routinely missing, or glossing over the facts, that this is free to play, that any p2w aspects are minimal (IGN UK's review nailed it), and most importantly; that it's an mmorpg.

I can't stress this MMO point enough. Nearly all the complaints levelled at Dust are things that every mmo faces. The current comparisons to Battlefield's, or COD's gameplay are false equivalencies. Is anyone expecting the upcoming Elder Scrolls MMO to feature better core gameplay than Skyrim? I don't think so. Yet I doubt that it will be penalised for that upon release. Why the double standard for Dust? Because Dust currently has no standard to be measured against in the first place. This isn't just new ground for devs, but for reviewers too.

Its a shooter with a skill system, there have been many others before it so dont hold it up as this special unique thing when its not

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XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 73	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:04:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/7076/20130601/dust-514-mmo-fell-apart-review.htm "Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Almost everything within the game is messed up one way or the other, and later on it just becomes a serious test of patience as to how long you can keep playing it." http://mkgaming.com/playstation3/review-dust-514/ " Had this been developed as a full retail title, this game could have been stellar. As it stands, this DUST needs sweeping."
C Saunders Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 236	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:33:00 - [2] - Quote Basically they don't know how to play.
xaerael Kabiel Goonfeet 114	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:37:00 - [3] - Quote Terrible reviews by terrible reviewers on terrible sites. It's pretty obvious they didn't spend more than a couple of hours playing the game.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 115	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:52:00 - [4] - Quote The review on mkgaming is fair enough, but the other one is trash and seems to be a thinly veiled plagiarism of the lackluster IGN reviewGÇöregurgitating all of the key points mentioned in the IGN review and missing out on all the omissions it also made. That makes it questionable if the gamenguide reviewer played the game more than three hours, or even played the game at all.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 187	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:54:00 - [5] - Quote Quote: Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Hits the nail on the head.
C Saunders Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 237	Posted - 2013.06.03 09:59:00 - [6] - Quote hooc order wrote: Quote: Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Hits the nail on the head. I think dusts actually a pretty good game.
Machariel Hammer The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:05:00 - [7] - Quote Who are they? I never hear of this guys before lol
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 187	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:07:00 - [8] - Quote C Saunders wrote: hooc order wrote: Quote: Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Hits the nail on the head. I think dusts actually a pretty good game. Whats your favorite part? The bunny hop evasion tactic that left FPS games a decade ago or bullets that evaporate after 30 meters? Game is a bad joke.
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 77	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:16:00 - [9] - Quote Funny how only terrible sites or idiot reviewers or people who didn't even bother actually playing the game are the ones reviewing Dust, isn't it? And yet they're all pretty much pointing to the same issues (which have also been brought up here time and time again). Amazing coincidence really!
DeeJay One BetaMax. CRONOS. 37	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:18:00 - [10] - Quote MKGaming wrote: ThereGÇÖs a few chat channels open, which are too slow to use for anything other than quick communication. OK, so are they slow or are they for quick communication? Something just doesn't feel right...

hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 188	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:18:00 - [11] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Funny how only terrible sites or idiot reviewers or people who didn't even bother actually playing the game are the ones reviewing Dust, isn't it? And yet they're all pretty much pointing to the same issues (which have also been brought up here time and time again). Amazing coincidence really! I play the game...and am probably better at at it then you. You would not like my review...no EvE fanboy would.
Knightshade Belladonna WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS 302	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:19:00 - [12] - Quote hooc order wrote: C Saunders wrote: hooc order wrote: Quote: Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Hits the nail on the head. I think dusts actually a pretty good game. Whats your favorite part? The bunny hop evasion tactic that left FPS games a decade ago or bullets that evaporate after 30 meters? Game is a bad joke. seriously?? Bunny hopping died a decade ago eh? where the fk you been, dudes be dolphin diving and bunny hopping on every cod I can think of including the few rounds of BO2 I played lastnight with a friend.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 202	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:22:00 - [13] - Quote Serious question, not meaning to flame or goad into a fight: Is there a reason why anyone should care what others think about when it comes to a form of entertainment they enjoy? I have seen glowing reviews for movies/games/television shows that I think were terrible, and I have seen the reverse. It is odd that people don't like X when I really do but the amount of posts that either amount to "This site said this!" or "This site is wrong!" is kind of staggering. Why be concerned with what other people think it regards to a game you play for leisure? Be well.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 37	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:31:00 - [14] - Quote While those reviews are from no name companies they are not far from the truth. Right now the only appealing reason to play this game is the integration with EVE online and the potential that it brings. Dust has a brutal learning curve, massive grind, and no real incentive to play this game unless you're in a corporation. Unfortunately CCP is catering to the EVE online community and the FPS aspect has faltered because of it. Look at the FPS community, games like Halo, Battlefield, and CoD sell millions of copies on their release day in the US alone. This game play needs to more competitive rather than solely equipment based. Player skill should matter more than player equipment. A more skilled player should always beat an inferior player regardless of if they have standard gear or prototype gear. If two players of equal skill are in a 1v1 engagement then and only then should the player with better equipment win. This game needs better and more responsive controls, better hit detection, and faster lateral strafing speeds. CCP needs to make their job easier and remove the PS move and KBM, if they focus on one controller scheme it would be a lot easier to refine and it puts everyone on the same playing field.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1501	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:32:00 - [15] - Quote XiBravo wrote: http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/7076/20130601/dust-514-mmo-fell-apart-review.htm "Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Almost everything within the game is messed up one way or the other, and later on it just becomes a serious test of patience as to how long you can keep playing it." http://mkgaming.com/playstation3/review-dust-514/ " Had this been developed as a full retail title, this game could have been stellar. As it stands, this DUST needs sweeping." A review saying Dust is all wrong, or all good is a bad review. Probably done in less than 4h testing it, or because you're just not objective at all. I've seen some fair ones though that points out perfectly what is wrong and what is good with dust. Let's face it. There's a lot of progress to be done on dust on the FPS side. Dynamics, rythm, balance, technical polish on aiming, movement etc. Dust is average at the moment FPS wise. But it has so much to offer one can still find it's the most amazing FPS to play.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 523	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:34:00 - [16] - Quote It's a little of both. I don't think anyone, especially since Uprising, would hold this up as an example of good fps gameplay. However reviewers are routinely missing, or glossing over the facts, that this is free to play, that any p2w aspects are minimal (IGN UK's review nailed it), and most importantly; that it's an mmorpg. I can't stress this MMO point enough. Nearly all the complaints levelled at Dust are things that every mmo faces. The current comparisons to Battlefield's, or COD's gameplay are false equivalencies. Is anyone expecting the upcoming Elder Scrolls MMO to feature better core gameplay than Skyrim? I don't think so. Yet I doubt that it will be penalised for that upon release. Why the double standard for Dust? Because Dust currently has no standard to be measured against in the first place. This isn't just new ground for devs, but for reviewers too.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 92	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:37:00 - [17] - Quote game sucks , its an overrated PoS , only blind fanboys would say otherwise , its blind fanboys that kill dust514 FACT
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 222	Posted - 2013.06.03 10:53:00 - [18] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: game sucks , its an overrated PoS , only blind fanboys would say otherwise , its blind fanboys that kill dust514 FACT I was skeptical of your statement at first, but as soon as someone shouts "FACT" everything that's said before or after it magically becomes true. So i have no other choice than to believe you.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 38	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:00:00 - [19] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: S0LlD SNAKE wrote: game sucks , its an overrated PoS , only blind fanboys would say otherwise , its blind fanboys that kill dust514 FACT I was skeptical of your statement at first, but as soon as someone shouts "FACT" everything that's said before or after it magically becomes true. So i have no other choice than to believe you. Read my earlier post, the fifth post before this one.
Gilbatron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 93	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:04:00 - [20] - Quote Solo Dust is a bad game Team Dust is a pretty cool game that is lacking depth, needs some balancing and has some annoying bugs Team Dust can be fixed, Solo Dust needs some serious work (to make it better or to bring players over to Team Dust)

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 206	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a little of both. I don't think anyone, especially since Uprising, would hold this up as an example of good fps gameplay. However reviewers are routinely missing, or glossing over the facts, that this is free to play, that any p2w aspects are minimal (IGN UK's review nailed it), and most importantly; that it's an mmorpg. I can't stress this MMO point enough. Nearly all the complaints levelled at Dust are things that every mmo faces. The current comparisons to Battlefield's, or COD's gameplay are false equivalencies. Is anyone expecting the upcoming Elder Scrolls MMO to feature better core gameplay than Skyrim? I don't think so. Yet I doubt that it will be penalised for that upon release. Why the double standard for Dust? Because Dust currently has no standard to be measured against in the first place. This isn't just new ground for devs, but for reviewers too. Its a shooter with a skill system, there have been many others before it so dont hold it up as this special unique thing when its not
charlesnette dalari Creative Killers DARKSTAR ARMY 230	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:37:00 - [22] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Serious question, not meaning to flame or goad into a fight: Is there a reason why anyone should care what others think about when it comes to a form of entertainment they enjoy? I have seen glowing reviews for movies/games/television shows that I think were terrible, and I have seen the reverse. It is odd that people don't like X when I really do but the amount of posts that either amount to "This site said this!" or "This site is wrong!" is kind of staggering. Why be concerned with what other people think it regards to a game you play for leisure? Be well. the reason for the debate is if a majority of reviewers give dust a bad review it will seriously limit the number of people that will actually try the game to see if THEY like it. with a limited playerbase dust could eventually fail and then those that like the game wont have a game to play. so these threads are to be expected as what others think could dramatically impact the game
CrotchGrab 360 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:42:00 - [23] - Quote [quote=XiBravo]http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/7076/20130601/dust-514-mmo-fell-apart-review.htm "Dust 514,...being not something any developing company would be proud of. Almost everything within the game is messed up one way or the other, and later on it just becomes a serious test of patience as to how long you can keep playing it." quote] sounds like a kid wrote it.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 372	Posted - 2013.06.03 11:43:00 - [24] - Quote I will agree that reviews are Bad... except for the fact, that almost every single reviewer is saying the same things, with different scores criteria. Sorry fanboys ... is getting harder and harder to defend Dust 514.
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 77	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:05:00 - [25] - Quote hooc order wrote: I play the game...and am probably better at at it then you. I'm sure you are. I absolutely suck atm, can't seem to get used everything they broke/changed in Uprising. hooc order wrote: You would not like my review...no EvE fanboy would. Is it possible that the sarcastic tone my post somehow eluded you?
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:07:00 - [26] - Quote All I can say is if the optimists stay (surely the fanboys will) then Dust will have a chance to be something special in the future. CCP need more talent in the fold though, plugging away at all the major issues, surely they dont think they alone can solely bring this game around and most will wait 5-7 years for it to be awesome.
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 41	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:15:00 - [27] - Quote Meh, as long as I enjoy, don't really care what other sites or people say or do. Case in point, all the people going on about how much something sucks yet still persisting to keep at it means there's something to it, otherwise they wouldn't bother with all the bashing and just go do something better with their time. I like pizza you like cabbage, well I'll eat my pizza no matter what you say and you can carry on sucking on your cabbage
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 190	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:21:00 - [28] - Quote will play until I don't want to play anymore, don't really care about reviews but dust really needs to improve.
Rekon Syport ZionTCD Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:24:00 - [29] - Quote I've always looked and I think CCP as well, as Dust being the core of integrating 2 platforms in real time interaction. THAT"S IT, ALL IT IS. It's a concept and attempt at a single piece of new ideas first, game second. Nobody should really care about the game, as it wasn't CCP's main focus in the first place other than that very concept. We will prove this idea works for FUTURE GAMES to consider even if we are all running around in polygon VGA 2d graphics. When the OB's rain upon request and EVE is actually well affected by DUST happenings PC or hwat have you, this idea will be considered a success regardless of DUSTs state itself. Then BAM, a new games takes the working idea, polishes a new game pairing, and we all move on to those games thanking CCP for pioneering an idea with a terrible package job we will all reminisce about. The GAME is second thought. Not the focus IMO. If you only care about DUST, it seems you are not understanding of CCP's main objectives in the overall picture as they probably care less than you do.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 524	Posted - 2013.06.03 12:25:00 - [30] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a little of both. I don't think anyone, especially since Uprising, would hold this up as an example of good fps gameplay. However reviewers are routinely missing, or glossing over the facts, that this is free to play, that any p2w aspects are minimal (IGN UK's review nailed it), and most importantly; that it's an mmorpg. I can't stress this MMO point enough. Nearly all the complaints levelled at Dust are things that every mmo faces. The current comparisons to Battlefield's, or COD's gameplay are false equivalencies. Is anyone expecting the upcoming Elder Scrolls MMO to feature better core gameplay than Skyrim? I don't think so. Yet I doubt that it will be penalised for that upon release. Why the double standard for Dust? Because Dust currently has no standard to be measured against in the first place. This isn't just new ground for devs, but for reviewers too. Its a shooter with a skill system, there have been many others before it so dont hold it up as this special unique thing when its not This isn't comparable to Borderlands. Beyond that, I don't think your post warrants a reply.



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