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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:31:00 -
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So I've seen a few threads about how the Academy drops people into the main game too early. My normal response is either that the older guys know what they're doing, HTFU, and all that great stuff. I decided to try rolling a new character to see just how bad they have it.
Holy mother of derp.
Don't get me wrong, since I know more about the game than a real newberry, I stomped through the Academy using a laser rifle / SMG combo on an Amarr suit (I know lasers are in a bad spot, so I figured I'd gimp myself a bit to make it harder). I came out of there very close to a 3.0 K/D. Had a few games where I went over 20 kills with only a handful of deaths.
Then I got my diploma in WP-harvesting and went out into the real world. Then, as soon as I stepped outside the confines of the academy, I was promptly shot in the face.
Repeatedly.
I have yet to go positive in one match. I can get a kill or two now and then, but it's usually by stealing it from someone else or via Fused Locus Grenades. I'll go down faster than your mom did on prom night as soon as I'm spotted. I'm pretty sure a sneeze from one of these guys would wipe out half of my shields.
As much of a fanboi as I am, not many people are going to want to play if this is what they have to look forward to after leaving the Academy in hopes of one day becoming equal. I figured that since I've been playing since closed beta and have more knowledge in general of the Eve universe compared to the scrubs that signed up yesterday, I'd fare a bit better than what I've been reading about. Couldn't have been more wrong.
Rarely did I separate from the group, I used everything I knew about the game to see if I could get any advantage. Gear definitely makes a world of difference. My alt will be AFK'ing in many MCC's before he sees the ground again.
What we can do about it, I haven't the foggiest idea. I'll let you guys post your experience / suggestions / wordvomit in here.
TL;DR - Made an alt to see why Academy whiners were whining. I'm a changed man. Litter this thread with wordvomit on how to rework the current system. |
Rinas Rylos
Rinas' Raiders
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:36:00 -
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I came on here expecting to hear more moaning and complaining about the academy, but instead I find a reasonably written, well thought out post. God, that's a nice change of pace.
As for what the response should be....I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps extend the length of the battle academy a bit, and put in an option for newbs who think they're ready for the real thing to skip it? |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
54
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:37:00 -
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tbh, it is obvious that a player fresh from the Academy is going to get stomped. Only thing they can do is ninja cap objectives, try to steal kill or become my meat shield. |
Jikt Terlen
Certificate of Participation
24
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:38:00 -
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1. Matchmaking (obviously)
2. Create a system of tiers (as opposed to the current system of tears) that puts players in brackets based on whatever combination of criteria makes the most sense
3. Create an option for a simplified game type (perhaps the "arena" type game they have in the works) with no squads and specific gear restrictions, so you can avoid the proto-squads if you want to
4. Create an all-LAV demolition derby game type because it would be hilarious
5. Complain about the lack of any of these things on the forums |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1816
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:38:00 -
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I played it just for fun I feel sorry for the reddots |
Kyro Justice
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:50:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:tbh, it is obvious that a player fresh from the Academy is going to get stomped. Only thing they can do is ninja cap objectives, try to steal kill or become my meat shield.
This prick can say that since he's not new. |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:52:00 -
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Matchmaking based on warpoints is probably an appropriate step. And since academy is based off it shouldn't be much of a reach to extend it out to all instant battles. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
54
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:56:00 -
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Kyro Justice wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:tbh, it is obvious that a player fresh from the Academy is going to get stomped. Only thing they can do is ninja cap objectives, try to steal kill or become my meat shield. This prick can say that since he's not new.
Sorry. I'm kinda dumb so I don't quite understand you. I was just saying that because you really don't need to make a whole new character to see how lopsided it is for the new players. Even if they are a lot more skilled then the seasoned vets, they will get crushed because of better equipment. If they decide to stay, kodos to them but how the game is right now I highly doubt it. I want the new players to stay but how are they going to have fun shooting at a protobear and land maybe 20-30 bullets and then they just turn around in kill them in 3 hits? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
681
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:07:00 -
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I think matchmaking on WP's would be a good idea, as long as it only stays for pub matches.
I would also like to see it take into account other variables, such as skillpoints earned over lifetime and total matches played. Otherwise the MCC AFK'er with 10m SP might get into a match with a hardcore newberry with maybe 1.5m SP. |
Templar Renegade201
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:14:00 -
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Change the goal post for leaving the academy. 2-3 mil SP would be enough to create a reasonable toon to compete in the open environment.
Make it so the SP is received at an increased rate so they are not in the academy for weeks or months e.g. Triple sp. So long as CCP explains that the sp rate will drop to the current rate when they hit 2 mil SP, or whatever. |
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Pandora Mars
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:34:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=863629#post863629
100% agreed. Look at this thread. They look the same. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
685
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:53:00 -
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Pandora Mars wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=863629#post863629
100% agreed. Look at this thread. They look the same.
Great thread. I like how we have most of the same thoughts on this, even though the time spent playing between us makes a pretty wide gap. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology
The Universal Accord
68
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:11:00 -
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Jikt Terlen wrote:1. Matchmaking (obviously)
2. Create a system of tiers (as opposed to the current system of tears) that puts players in brackets based on whatever combination of criteria makes the most sense
3. Create an option for a simplified game type (perhaps the "arena" type game they have in the works) with no squads and specific gear restrictions, so you can avoid the proto-squads if you want to
4. Create an all-LAV demolition derby game type because it would be hilarious
5. Complain about the lack of any of these things on the forums
+1 for matchmaking
Honestly should have been done from the start, but I guess it doesn't rank high on CCP's priority list. |
Phantomnom
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
568
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:14:00 -
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Stop punishing people for playing the legit system and unlocking Protogear, just make a better matchmaking system and squad matchmaking also and you won't see a quarter as much Protostomping. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
686
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:21:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:Stop punishing people for playing the legit system and unlocking Protogear, just make a better matchmaking system and squad matchmaking also and you won't see a quarter as much Protostomping.
Pretty much this. As soon as we stop throwing newbies into the grinder, we'll probably see a lot less nerf / complaint threads and more actual useful feedback from new players that are having fun. |
SmileB4Death
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
109
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:38:00 -
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Have a few academy tiers? Example;
10k WP: tier 1
20k WP: tier 2
40k WP: tier 3
60k WP: tier 4
Etc..
What do you guys think? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
691
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:52:00 -
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SmileB4Death wrote:Have a few academy tiers? Example;
10k WP: tier 1
20k WP: tier 2
40k WP: tier 3
60k WP: tier 4
Etc..
What do you guys think?
I'd prefer a system that encompasses both WP and SP. MCC AFK'ers get 0 WP's for their match, but get decent SP rewards. Hell, if you wanted to, you could go full proto in Academy with enough AFK'ing (granted the time it would take is a stretch, but possible). |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
138
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:00:00 -
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yes, the WP ceiling on the academy is way too low
that said
i strongly commend CCP for implementing it, it's a great idea
but yes it's far too low. ideally new players should be exiting the academy with over 2 million sp at least |
SmileB4Death
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
110
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:21:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:SmileB4Death wrote:Have a few academy tiers? Example;
10k WP: tier 1
20k WP: tier 2
40k WP: tier 3
60k WP: tier 4
Etc..
What do you guys think? I'd prefer a system that encompasses both WP and SP. MCC AFK'ers get 0 WP's for their match, but get decent SP rewards. Hell, if you wanted to, you could go full proto in Academy with enough AFK'ing (granted the time it would take is a stretch, but possible).
Thanks for picking a hole in that bro, AFK'n and Passive SP would mess that up.
Matchmaking off SP would solve it, but that's too simple CCP. |
Templar Renegade118
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:32:00 -
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Make a game mode that doesn't allow squads.. |
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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
334
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:34:00 -
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I'm pro gear restrictions with proportionate pay. I could say those of us who can use proto gear refrain and pretend we're harvesting isk instead of newberry tears, but I have a feeling that wouldn't go over so well I think. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
694
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:43:00 -
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Templar Renegade118 wrote:Make a game mode that doesn't allow squads..
I'd rather match squads instead of restrict them. Pubstompers for all. |
SmileB4Death
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
110
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:11:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Templar Renegade118 wrote:Make a game mode that doesn't allow squads.. I'd rather match squads instead of restrict them. Pubstompers for all.
Isn't teamwork big in Dust? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
700
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:40:00 -
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SmileB4Death wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Templar Renegade118 wrote:Make a game mode that doesn't allow squads.. I'd rather match squads instead of restrict them. Pubstompers for all. Isn't teamwork big in Dust?
Definitely. One squad of communicating teammates rolls over an entire team of uncoordinated rabble. |
Big miku
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:41:00 -
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You know what would help a lot? PVE gameplay modes.
Just get that PVE in.
Killing Drones
Putting Down rowdy Bandits
Pacifying rebels
disrupting illegal supply lines
ect
ect
Make with the PVE so new players can do something other than get crushed. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
700
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:02:00 -
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Big miku wrote:You know what would help a lot? PVE gameplay modes.
Just get that PVE in.
Killing Drones
Putting Down rowdy Bandits
Pacifying rebels
disrupting illegal supply lines
ect
ect
Make with the PVE so new players can do something other than get crushed.
While I would love some PvE right about now and think it would be a great game mode for new players, I'll bide my time a bit in hopes that CCP spends some extra time balancing everything out. Don't want everyone to have it too easy, or to have hordes of AI stomp on proto teams.
Would actually be kinda funny to watch pubstompers get stomped by AI, now that I think about it. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:03:00 -
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yea I would agree raising the cap by double for academy battles would not be a bad Idea.
Actually what I would like to see is the academy WP cap doubled but give new players the option to play both normal and academy battles after the current cap so they can start adjusting.
also better matchmaking. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
702
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:57:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:yea I would agree raising the cap by double for academy battles would not be a bad Idea.
Actually what I would like to see is the academy WP cap doubled but give new players the option to play both normal and academy battles after the current cap so they can start adjusting.
also better matchmaking.
I'm not quite sure we have any sort of matchmaking working right now. I think it just throws 16 people on one side against 16 people on the other. |
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