I wanted them to turn on FF for everything so we can separate the scrubs from the pros since day one. But since people won't go for my idea, I'll have to settle for yours. We also need scrimmage modes where corps can practice for PC.

FF off in instant battle is acceptable, though not desirable, to coddle the carebears. It absolutely NEEDS to come to FW, though. Orbital strikes especiallly need to have friendly fire enabled no matter where, since they're being used as an i-win button on their on positions, whereas with friendly fire on it would at least clear everyone on the area, acting as a reset instead of a free win.

FF off in instant battle is acceptable, though not desirable, to coddle the carebears. It absolutely NEEDS to come to FW, though. Orbital strikes especiallly need to have friendly fire enabled no matter where, since they're being used as an i-win button on their on positions, whereas with friendly fire on it would at least clear everyone on the area, acting as a reset instead of a free win.

Yeah I want to turn the safety off in pub matches, 2 deployment options of each battle type should be available. FF or Safety on would allow players to choose which style of play they enjoy. +1

I'm ok with it off in instant action, and it absolutely should be off in the academy (though clearer indicators that you WOULD have damaged a friendly would be good for teaching them to watch their fire better.) Instant action is basically the equivalent of high-sec, the "safe" area of EVE.

It's when you get into lowsec (FW) and nullsec (PC) that it should definitely be turned on.

And again, regardless of where you are or what match type, orbital strikes NEED to always have friendly fire on, otherwise they're horribly abused to achieve inappropriate and unrealistic advantage. Could it be used to grief? Sure, but if they fix the WP on them (so friendly OS kills properly reduce WP like they're supposed to and like normal FF kills do) then the issue would be greatly diminished. My proposal in another thread was to set FF kklls at -75 WP (since kills are +50) to make people really think about what they're doing and make it harder to get a net profit in WP from nuking their own position.

The OBs are like any other type weapons fire, the ability to choose FF or not is the question not whether an OB should be destroying friendlies or not.

That depends on the back end programming, but i more raise it as a point of compromise. It's most important on OB, to the point of being absolute essential, because right now it's a game-breaking i-win button outside of PC. Friendly fire for the rest is just a nice thing and how it should be; as annoying as clums behaviour and throwing grenades into friendlies to kill a hostile is, it's not nigh-game-breaking like OBs on your own position are.

Like a real grenade wouldn't kill both you and your buddy if you pulled the pin and played catch together for fun would kill the game? You're missing the point and raging because of it sir.

Way to many trolls for this to work. -1

Teamkilling reduces your WP already. It would take seriously dedicated trolls to sacrifice any chance of progress just to grief.

Turn off FF for merc skirmish when you fix the god damned nanite injectors!

In the deepest darkest bowels of Internet gaming these people flourish in numbers, you'll have to incorporate auto boot as insurance..

Teamkilling reduces your WP already. It would take seriously dedicated trolls to sacrifice any chance of progress just to grief.

Other than the clipping bugs with them, what's wrong with them, and what does it have to do with this? The same argument could be made in PC, and have more merit (since PC is the only mode with any significant consequence for either game right now, and the only mode with ANY consequence in Dust right now).

It's more of an arbitrary argument but... If someone gets schwaked from behind I'd like the ability to revive them. Oh it's more than some clipping bugs man. Again, that has already been identified by ccp so ill get back on topic. FF should be incorporated for certain game types.

You really won't. It's a risk you take, play with people you know. You can't get rid of it without destroyingthe game and its potential. Given a couple months the main culprits get bored and buy the next Call of Halo and you never see them again. Please trust on this, as i've seen it more times than i can count over the last three decades. The majority of the griefers will get bored and leave if it doesn't benefit them actively.

I dunno man, especially with the high value / isk vehicles being dropped on the map. You see people getting fragged a lot in bf3 and arma over vehicles. Kinda side note but, 3 decades of fuckyards? That would mean you were dealing with tkers in 1983? Or are we referring to some sort of dice rolling RPG in someone's basement? ;)

Not quite three decades yet, but getting damned close. I got my start (in the FPS side) with dial-in matches of Doom (though arguments could be made for coop console games and a buddy goofing off to **** you off lol). Got my MMORPG start with the original graphical MMORPG, NWN, as pay per hour on AOL (not the isometric view game from the late 90s most will think of, but the gold box engine game, launched in 1991.)

Dial up matches made me happy, I remember the douchebaggery that run rampant in ultima online that was a mess half of the time. Trolls will always exist but I still think FF should be on in DUST.

So then not decades but years or decade sigular. Edit: so then only 20 years or so...hmmm. Doom loved that game too.

Edit #2 So 20=30? I must have skipped a few math classes I missed that lesson.