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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:09:00 -
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This found on the EVE timeline entry about Molden Heath show mercenaries weilding weapons not seen before i previous concept art.
Medium dropsuit merc crouching on right is holding a mystery weapon, smoke may be emitting from it (or could just be the background). Medium dropsuit merc on the left crouching is holding a rifle of some kind. It isn't the combat rifle, and isn't the rail rifle (I carefully examined them to make sure it isn't). merc standing on the far left is holding a rifle with a thing on the end top part of the gun not found in any other gun previously seen. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:11:00 -
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The one with smoke looks like a mini HMG... it's probably better then the HMG |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:13:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:The one with smoke looks like a mini HMG... it's probably better then the HMG
And equipable by assaults...
Why are heavies in the game again? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:20:00 -
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As for crouching left... my guess is it's Minmatar long distance weapon, a light machine gun? |
Osbor robsO
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:22:00 -
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seems to be the minmatar concept art, or something i think CCP's design for the minmatar weapons was to make them all based on one central barrel and trigger. basically the minmatar SMG is the "core" of the other minny weapons
so the minny assault rifle is just the smg with a long barrel and a stock and a big magazine the minny sniper rifle has a very long barrel, stock, and a small clip only exception seem to be the HMG
there was some concept are depicting this a while ago, where is it?
edit; here it is http://www.blackpalette.com/wp-content/gallery/artworks/smg_modelsheet1200x2133.jpg the basic from is mostly just the trigger, but you can see the design reflected in the mass driver if you look at the trigger area |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:29:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:As for crouching left... my guess is it's Minmatar long distance weapon, a light machine gun? Never mind, apparently the mini sniper will be called the precision rifle, unless it's changed http://i.imgur.com/flTzL2v.png |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:32:00 -
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One of those weapons is a combat rifle. The minute that thing is out, i'm testing it, and if i like it. I'm using it, i love me some minmatar weaponry. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:33:00 -
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Osbor robsO wrote:seems to be the minmatar concept art, or something i think CCP's design for the minmatar weapons was to make them all based on one central barrel and trigger. basically the minmatar SMG is the "core" of the other minny weapons so the minny assault rifle is just the smg with a long barrel and a stock and a big magazine the minny sniper rifle has a very long barrel, stock, and a small clip only exception seem to be the HMG there was some concept are depicting this a while ago, where is it? edit; here it is http://www.blackpalette.com/wp-content/gallery/artworks/smg_modelsheet1200x2133.jpgthe basic from is mostly just the trigger, but you can see the design reflected in the mass driver if you look at the trigger area
Yeah, that seems to be the case. Looking at this http://i.imgur.com/IeaUIzU.jpg You can kind of see parts of the pistols in all the respective ARs, except the flaylock. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:34:00 -
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Osbor robsO wrote:seems to be the minmatar concept art, or something i think CCP's design for the minmatar weapons was to make them all based on one central barrel and trigger. basically the minmatar SMG is the "core" of the other minny weapons so the minny assault rifle is just the smg with a long barrel and a stock and a big magazine the minny sniper rifle has a very long barrel, stock, and a small clip only exception seem to be the HMG there was some concept are depicting this a while ago, where is it? edit; here it is http://www.blackpalette.com/wp-content/gallery/artworks/smg_modelsheet1200x2133.jpgthe basic from is mostly just the trigger, but you can see the design reflected in the mass driver if you look at the trigger area The combat rifle (SMG turned AR) is not the mystery weapon I was talking about, the medium in the middle is using it, but not the one crouching to the left, not the one crouching to the right, nor the one standing on the far left. These ones were not seen before in the black palette concept arts. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:38:00 -
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isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:40:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG It might actually be the assault suit's eventual model, the current color swaps should just be temporary.
Quote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations) I meant as in miniature, not minmitar lol
Edit: Taking a close look, it seems to be attached to the users "backpack".... Flamethrower? |
Aero Yassavi
Imperial Resurrection Organization
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:43:00 -
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Keep in mind this is just concept art. You may notice minor differences between how it appears here and how it appears in game, it does not mean they are not the same piece of gear though. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:44:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG It might actually be the assault suit's eventual model, the current color swaps should just be temporary.
touche salesman, but at the same time, would they do a complete reconfig of every suit for every environment? theres 8 planet types, of which at least 3 of them should probably have unique environmental variations, oceanic, ice/lava, storm/plasma, planet types i could see managing without the new variations being temperate, barren, and gas(as far as im aware the installations in PI are placed above the cloud cover, or so its made to appear, would they require their own suits?)
*edit* not to mention why would you bring a special snowflake suit when it is apparently unnecessary judging from the other 2-4 'standard model' suits |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:45:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG Yes, HMG is Minmatar. Minmatar weapons: SMG, HMG, mass driver, flaylock pistol, combat rifle (soon).
It is indeed medium frame on the right, you can tell by the helmet. That weapon he is holding might be based off the HMG, but definitely isn't a heavy weapon judging by the size. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:46:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG Yes, HMG is Minmatar. Minmatar weapons: SMG, HMG, mass driver, flaylock pistol, combat rifle (soon). It is indeed medium frame on the right, you can tell by the helmet. That weapon he is holding might be based off the HMG, but definitely isn't a heavy weapon judging by the size.
*DERP* blankpost was blank... sorry
which i find funny that the HMG is of minmatar origin and ONLY the amarr can actually use it... same with the forge guns of caldari design... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:49:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG Yes, HMG is Minmatar. Minmatar weapons: SMG, HMG, mass driver, flaylock pistol, combat rifle (soon). It is indeed medium frame on the right, you can tell by the helmet. That weapon he is holding might be based off the HMG, but definitely isn't a heavy weapon judging by the size. It seems to be linked to the suits backpack thingy, that might be a flamethrower.
Which is funny, cause we asked for it to be a heavy weapon and Amarr |
Doran Gallen
Empire Ballistic Assault Force
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:50:00 -
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thing on the left is probably an LMG,added firepower for the assault guys and the HMGs little brother.Smaller and lighter,but still hits hard,the bully's little brother,also seems to be a bully.I can't wait for it. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:52:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG Yes, HMG is Minmatar. Minmatar weapons: SMG, HMG, mass driver, flaylock pistol, combat rifle (soon). It is indeed medium frame on the right, you can tell by the helmet. That weapon he is holding might be based off the HMG, but definitely isn't a heavy weapon judging by the size. It seems to be linked to the suits backpack thingy, that might be a flamethrower. Which is funny, cause we asked for it to be a heavy weapon and Amarr Holy crap, I just noticed the cord coming from the handle of the gun. I really hope its a flamethrower, would explain the smoke. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:56:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:isnt the HMG already of minmatar design(boundless creations)
though the right hand suit does not appear to be the standard minmatar medium frame, note the right knee(left hand side when viewed) appears to be different from the standing medium frame holding the rifle.
pure speculation, but perhaps thats not a medium frame at all, making it capable of wielding an HMG Yes, HMG is Minmatar. Minmatar weapons: SMG, HMG, mass driver, flaylock pistol, combat rifle (soon). It is indeed medium frame on the right, you can tell by the helmet. That weapon he is holding might be based off the HMG, but definitely isn't a heavy weapon judging by the size. *DERP* blankpost was blank... sorry which i find funny that the HMG is of minmatar origin and ONLY the amarr can actually use it... same with the forge guns of caldari design... *edit* though does explain the currently useless bonus on the sentinel suit since none of the other racial weapons have feedback but the light amarr models(laser and scrambler*), i expect to see some heavy weapons with feedback potential "SOON tm" We'll be getting other heavies soon. They showed the other heavies in concept art at this year's Fanfest. |
Aero Yassavi
Imperial Resurrection Organization
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 08:58:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote: *DERP* blankpost was blank... sorry
which i find funny that the HMG is of minmatar origin and ONLY the amarr can actually use it... same with the forge guns of caldari design...
*edit* though does explain the currently useless bonus on the sentinel suit since none of the other racial weapons have feedback but the light amarr models(laser and scrambler*), i expect to see some heavy weapons with feedback potential "SOON tm"
Except most people believe the Sentinel bonus is +2% heavy weapon reload speed and the Amarr racial bonus is 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage. In fact, it is the other way around. So even the Minmatar Sentinel will get this 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage though the only heavy weapons that have feedback damage will likely be Amarrian. Explain that one CCP. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:01:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote: *DERP* blankpost was blank... sorry
which i find funny that the HMG is of minmatar origin and ONLY the amarr can actually use it... same with the forge guns of caldari design...
*edit* though does explain the currently useless bonus on the sentinel suit since none of the other racial weapons have feedback but the light amarr models(laser and scrambler*), i expect to see some heavy weapons with feedback potential "SOON tm"
Except most people believe the Sentinel bonus is +2% heavy weapon reload speed and the Amarr racial bonus is 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage. In fact, it is the other way around. So even the Minmatar Sentinel will get this 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage though the only heavy weapons that have feedback damage will likely be Amarrian. Explain that one CCP. The Gallente heavy will probably just rip small blasters of the LAV, those have feedback damage |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:19:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote: *DERP* blankpost was blank... sorry
which i find funny that the HMG is of minmatar origin and ONLY the amarr can actually use it... same with the forge guns of caldari design...
*edit* though does explain the currently useless bonus on the sentinel suit since none of the other racial weapons have feedback but the light amarr models(laser and scrambler*), i expect to see some heavy weapons with feedback potential "SOON tm"
Except most people believe the Sentinel bonus is +2% heavy weapon reload speed and the Amarr racial bonus is 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage. In fact, it is the other way around. So even the Minmatar Sentinel will get this 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage though the only heavy weapons that have feedback damage will likely be Amarrian. Explain that one CCP.
good call on that one, i never bothered looking at the sentinel skill, just remember my heavy-bros askin me about 'wtf is feedback?'
perhaps the bonuses were swapped? the assaults got 5% recharge, 2% reload, ... nope... only caldari got a 2% bonus for racial specific there, i gots nothing... thank god i checked the other races before i made a complete ass of myself
though if i might have been correct about the sentinel bonus reversal, whats the point in giving ALL races an equal reload bonus, and why do amarr get the reload speed bonus? i would have thought theyd be tanky-er or buffed armor... but then again none of the amarr suits make sense to me...(even shield/armor, repair bonus for the logistics... wtf?) |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:23:00 -
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Is that a Minmatar shotgun on the rig-
Nope! Not going to get my hopes up, not this time... |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
79
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Posted - 2013.06.01 09:47:00 -
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It's clearly Minni Suits, so I would guess this picture shows us the following weapons:
MD HMG Minni answer to Tac AR Minni answer to AR And the one left in the background might be some kind of breach? |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1516
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:25:00 -
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Far left looks like a Famas no? And the guy in the middle (left of the SMG) looks like either the Combat Rifle or the T3 Modular assault Rifle? Perhaps? |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
716
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:47:00 -
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Oh, that explains the eyepatch for Minmatar suits.
It protects your eye from bullet casings which pelt the right side of your face. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 10:58:00 -
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i doubt theyre going to put t3s into dust at this early of a stage... not to mention they didnt really do t2 even... theyve done some bastardized variation to it, not having a t1 logistics... having meta modules as a significant increase and market available instead of a salvaged loot only(consider that one when you have to farm out your geks/GLU)
im just saying, i dont anticipate them ever releasing a t3 weapon, and what would you even conceivably do with it? add a handgrip for an increase to pg? a scope for CPU? i would expect to see a t3 suit sooner than a t3 weapon system though, and it would be extremely questionable at best on how it would even function... if at all... the technical workings behind it would be massive i believe, not to mention without any sort of player industry... or wormhole equivalent(t3 is based on 'alien' tech from outside the 5 empires, allies, and pirate branches)... or no t1 production/resource collection...
i expect that there will be a LOT of work creating a foundation that would support any justification of a concept of t3
*EDIT* and i did mean 5 empires b4 someone blows me up about the 4 playables... the lore states that the Jove are considered a lose part of the empire though nobody ever really mentions it |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:03:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:i doubt theyre going to put t3s into dust at this early of a stage... not to mention they didnt really do t2 even... theyve done some bastardized variation to it, not having a t1 logistics... having meta modules as a significant increase and market available instead of a salvaged loot only(consider that one when you have to farm out your geks/GLU)
im just saying, i dont anticipate them ever releasing a t3 weapon, and what would you even conceivably do with it? add a handgrip for an increase to pg? a scope for CPU? i would expect to see a t3 suit sooner than a t3 weapon system though, and it would be extremely questionable at best on how it would even function... if at all... the technical workings behind it would be massive i believe, not to mention without any sort of player industry... or wormhole equivalent(t3 is based on 'alien' tech from outside the 5 empires, allies, and pirate branches)... or no t1 production/resource collection...
i expect that there will be a LOT of work creating a foundation that would support any justification of a concept of t3
Oh they won't bring them out, but I've seen plenty of concept art for the T3 Weapons, all the customized types will be T3 iirc, all modular based so you select the barrel, the scope etc |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:12:00 -
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well balancing the values of x (attribute) equates to y (fitting cost) is going to be about the only way of doing it...
if its based on the simple attributes of the weapon rather than the fitting cost, its going to become whatever OP Flavor of the month...
and i thought the concept of tech level 3 is that its beyond the empires tech... not that its simply modular, but that its reverse engineered from 'alien' tech... because as things stand, everything is currently modular, t3s are just 1 extra step... and they 'should' be able to replicate that for any other purpose if that was the simple requisite... but would defeat the purpose of 'risking' wormholes to produce... i would be greatly depressed if they slapped t3 on a weapon without a good backstory just because its EXTRA customizable... |
Bad Heal
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:18:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Oh, that explains the eyepatch for Minmatar suits.
It protects your eye from bullet casings which pelt the right side of your face. LMAO!! |
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:22:00 -
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and most weapon designs throw the casings AWAY from the shooter... unless your using a weapon designed for left handed operation.... which i would hope after the centuries of back story, they would have learned common sense design features... except for the amarr with their feedback it seems... |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1783
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:54:00 -
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Non-bullpup Minmatar weapons make me a sad panda. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4164
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:56:00 -
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For such scifi weapons developed independently from our real life weapons after the dark ages of the EVE gate collapse, the weapons look boringly conventional, even by our standards. I want to see more weird looking weapons with bullpup and other magazine placements, etc. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
89
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Posted - 2013.06.01 12:08:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:This found on the EVE timeline entry about Molden Heath show mercenaries weilding weapons not seen before i previous concept art. Medium dropsuit merc crouching on right is holding a mystery weapon, smoke may be emitting from it (or could just be the background). Medium dropsuit merc on the left crouching is holding a rifle of some kind. It isn't the combat rifle, and isn't the rail rifle (I carefully examined them to make sure it isn't). merc standing on the far left is holding a rifle with a thing on the end top part of the gun not found in any other gun previously seen.
Starting from left to right: unknown, minmatar lmg?, smg, minmatar rifle, some sort of grenage launcher?
I think all of those weapons are Minmatar, since every character in that image is a minmatar. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
89
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Posted - 2013.06.01 12:14:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:For such scifi weapons developed independently from our real life weapons after the dark ages of the EVE gate collapse, the weapons look boringly conventional, even by our standards. I want to see more weird looking weapons with bullpup and other magazine placements, etc.
The assault rifle is bullpup. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4165
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Posted - 2013.06.01 12:30:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:For such scifi weapons developed independently from our real life weapons after the dark ages of the EVE gate collapse, the weapons look boringly conventional, even by our standards. I want to see more weird looking weapons with bullpup and other magazine placements, etc. The assault rifle is bullpup. If you're talking about the current Gallente AR, than no. Look here. If you mean the Minmatar combat rifle, than no. The magazine is in the handle, that is different. |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.06.01 12:37:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:As for crouching left... my guess is it's Minmatar long distance weapon, a light machine gun?
God I hope so but if hmg are short range HMGs will be too |
SILVERBACK 02
BetaMax. CRONOS.
93
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:12:00 -
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The LMG looks cool |
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