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NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 32	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:23:00 - [1] - Quote I apologize if this has been talked about already.I used the search function and did not find anything. Like many have said scouts do seem fairly gimped.Ya they have their good matches but they are so situational and lucky,like when you go against a team that can't put 3 bullets in a scout with 200 ehp. I am just wondering if there are any planned tweaks? or if there are any plans at all to look at the scout. Thank You.
EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:30:00 - [2] - Quote I believe what the Scout is really "missing" right now are the cloaking modules and equipment. Once those get released the Scout will finally be able to enter its true role. Gathering intel on enemy positions and making precision strikes, seemingly from nowhere. I would not recommend any significant changes to the scout suit until these modules are released.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:33:00 - [3] - Quote EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote: I believe what the Scout is really "missing" right now are the cloaking modules and equipment. Once those get released the Scout will finally be able to enter its true role. Gathering intel on enemy positions and making precision strikes, seemingly from nowhere. I would not recommend any significant changes to the scout suit until these modules are released. It's a shame that a game mechanic has to stay gimped because an integral part of it is still on the drawing board.
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 32	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:33:00 - [4] - Quote I see the cloaking modules coming out and being either great or OP,and will then be nerfed into uselessness,never to be seen again.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:35:00 - [5] - Quote NoxiousMentos wrote: I see the cloaking modules coming out and being either great or OP,and will then be nerfed into uselessness,never to be seen again. Like everything in Dust right now. I wonder what's the point of all this highly anticipated content when people are going to cry nerf at a moment's notice. Off topic, but you know people are crying for logis and nova knives to be nerfed right?
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 32	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:43:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: NoxiousMentos wrote: I see the cloaking modules coming out and being either great or OP,and will then be nerfed into uselessness,never to be seen again. Like everything in Dust right now. I wonder what's the point of all this highly anticipated content when people are going to cry nerf at a moment's notice. Off topic, but you know people are crying for logis and nova knives to be nerfed right? lol Nova Knives won't need a nerf until aiming and hit detection is fixed.Sure I can absolutely murder someone when they are hacking something or just standing there,but trying having a 1 on 1 standoff with someone (other than heavy). Logi's I can SORT of understand.Having an advanced logi suit I can see how it can be abused.I would rather bring some of the other suits up to Logi's level before nerfing Logi though.
NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 32	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:44:00 - [7] - Quote I already made the mistake of spending my 1.8m SP at time of respec.I am now at 2m and will be hoarding SP until it is a little bit more clear what is happening with suits and weapons.
Aeon Amadi Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1423	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:48:00 - [8] - Quote Honestly, I feel that the cloaking device should be limited to Light Frame suits only. Heavies specialize in Heavy Weapons, giving them a unique role that no other suit/frame can utilize. Cloaking should be the Light Frame's unique role that no other suit can utilize. This would make for an intriguing playstyle and character arch that forces specialization rather than generalization and in a game like Dust, we need more Specialization.
EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2013.06.01 06:54:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote: I believe what the Scout is really "missing" right now are the cloaking modules and equipment. Once those get released the Scout will finally be able to enter its true role. Gathering intel on enemy positions and making precision strikes, seemingly from nowhere. I would not recommend any significant changes to the scout suit until these modules are released. It's a shame that a game mechanic has to stay gimped because an integral part of it is still on the drawing board. It's a greater shame to diminish the role by turning it into something it isn't just so you can Rambo with it until its true purpose is available. I run scouts and have never come across a situation where I thought "Gee I wish I had the tank of a medium suit right now!" It usually goes something like, "Yeah, okay.. I should have been a bit sneakier there instead of running such a typical path." When the stealth modules are out you can be sneaker on shorter routes, but I actually get more WP running scouts than I do running mediums right now. And I have more SP into mediums. Aeon Amadi wrote: Honestly, I feel that the cloaking device should be limited to Light Frame suits only. Heavies specialize in Heavy Weapons, giving them a unique role that no other suit/frame can utilize. Cloaking should be the Light Frame's unique role that no other suit can utilize. This would make for an intriguing playstyle and character arch that forces specialization rather than generalization and in a game like Dust, we need more Specialization. I believe there are plans for a Black Ops HAV. Most likely a significantly health gimped HAV, with a bit higher speed and with the ability to fit a cloaking module, the implications are great. Start with the stealth scout, get behind enemy lines, call in a stealth HAV and drop a stealth uplink (if these are going to be a thing) and then sneak up on the enemy from behind. Use your imagination. Aside from this, I agree that at least suit wise, it should be restricted to the Scout class. Or perhaps light suits in general.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 82	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:07:00 - [10] - Quote Please stop talking about a cloaking module and how it'll fix all that is deficient in the scout suit. There are many threads already that us scouts have started. Threads that spoke about how the suit is out in the cold pretty much. And if CCP is listening, they'd have done something about it by now, or at least spoken to dedicated scout users for their feedback. Unfortunately, no such luck. So until then, the scout suit is relegated to us who are gluttons for punishment, and love to play Dust on difficulty cranked up to 11.

NoxiousMentos Bojo's School of the Trades 32	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:11:00 - [11] - Quote Chilled Pill wrote: So until then, the scout suit is relegated to us who are gluttons for punishment, and love to play Dust on difficulty cranked up to 11. That part makes me want to say nevermind on stashing points,go full blown Scout and say LET'S DO THIS.But I think I will still play it safe and wait.Already used a lot of my 2m when I shouldn't have,don't wanna do it again lol.
Treablo James Howard WarRavens 20	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:24:00 - [12] - Quote Here is the thing about the cloaking device. If you run into a scout that is cloaked. He we decloak. I'm sure some cloaking device will hinder movement speed. And I'm sure they wont let you ironsight/scope/charge whatever weapon you have without breaking cloak. Yes it is very OP to a great user. But a very fragile ability. And my difficult level is 17. 214 shields 70 armor, Swarms and nova knives. Bring it.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:42:00 - [13] - Quote Chilled Pill wrote: There are many threads already that us scouts have started. Threads that spoke about how the suit is out in the cold ... Another dedicated, disgruntled scout here. Please brace for QQ, but I vent with purpose... I've yet to see a single Dev response to the scout community's numerous and detailed request threads. Devs responded immediately to requests from tankers and heavies following Uprising's release. We know that CCP listens. We know that we've been ignored. What we don't know is why we've been ignored. Perhaps we've been ignored because CCP is already making small improvements to the scout suit. Perhaps we've been ignored because CCP has no plans to improve the scout suit. Perhaps we've been ignored because CCP plans to release scout-specific "future gear", as per OP. I fail to find merit in the "future gear" gear argument. Surely CCP has "future gear" planned for other classes, even those classes which are already effective in their respective roles. At present -- nova ninjas excluded -- there is no meaningful role a scout can perform better than other classes. In my mind, this fact is indicative of imbalance, but I digress. Perhaps we scouts are out of line in our request for a buff. But are we out of line in our request for a simple explanation? - Shotty GoBang
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 93	Posted - 2013.06.01 20:14:00 - [14] - Quote The reason why the scout is so weak is because it got abused in chromosome by Shotgunners, the scout is supposed to be a sniper/nova knifer. If CCP limited snipers and nova knifes to scouts we would probably see a rise in their usage.
Murt Lesp Straight-Silvers 2	Posted - 2013.06.02 00:10:00 - [15] - Quote I agree, especially since we see assault and logi snipers almost as often as scout snipers. Then there are the occasional players who are afraid to die and use a heavy suit to snipe. Those of us from chromosome have seen it all, so why not listen to us?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2013.06.02 13:57:00 - [16] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The reason why the scout is so weak is because it got abused in chromosome by Shotgunners, the scout is supposed to be a sniper/nova knifer. If by chance you are correct, this would certainly explain why the shotgun scout of Uprising is such a sad joke. RIP: Shotgun Scouts of Chromosome .


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