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N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 396	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:25:00 - [1] - Quote So from an Anti Vehicle point of view it seems armour tanks are much harder to take out for one reason only. There Armour rep is so powerful. Its easy to take down a shield tank but armour is always hard to finish off. I want to see peoples opinion on this, from an armour tanker point of view and a Anti Vehicle point of view. Please be respectful in the comments
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1306	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote I really feel like damage types need to be changed. Expolsives do 90% to shield, why not 60% and instead of doing 110% to armor, why not 150%? Then enegry based AV should be 60% to armor and 150% to shields Then there would be a tradeoff and stronger group combat
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 396	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:30:00 - [3] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: I really feel like damage types need to be changed. Expolsives do 90% to shield, why not 60% and instead of doing 110% to armor, why not 150%? Then enegry based AV should be 60% to armor and 150% to shields Then there would be a tradeoff and stronger group combat This would be great actually. It would bring more variety into Anti Vehicle game play
Madagascan Eagle 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:31:00 - [4] - Quote No tanks are op. If anything buff the caldari tank. They may be hard to kill but they're tanks. That's the point. They're easy to scare off.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 396	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:33:00 - [5] - Quote Madagascan Eagle wrote: No tanks are op. If anything buff the caldari tank. They may be hard to kill but they're tanks. That's the point. They're easy to scare off. Armour tanks seem a little too good with the fact that if there armour repper is up it's almost impossible to kill a tank.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:33:00 - [6] - Quote Armor is much weaker to all forms of AV. However its well suited for tank vs tank.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3172	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:33:00 - [7] - Quote Most of the reason they look OP is because shield tanks are weaker than they should be. They don't need a nerf, or at least not much of one, but shield tanks need a buff to be in line with them.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:37:00 - [8] - Quote I always said shield tanking was for sissies and look at where we are now. I WARNED Y'ALL BOUT DEM SHIELDIN' MACHINES!
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 396	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:37:00 - [9] - Quote A little off topic but how in the world can Armour be faster then shield. Armour weighs a lot, and shield weighs nothing.
Madagascan Eagle 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:40:00 - [10] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Madagascan Eagle wrote: No tanks are op. If anything buff the caldari tank. They may be hard to kill but they're tanks. That's the point. They're easy to scare off. Armour tanks seem a little too good with the fact that if there armour repper is up it's almost impossible to kill a tank. A tanker works hard and risks a lot of risk to put a decent tank on the board. It should take 3 guys with av to take him out. Expecting to do it yourself isn't realistic. IMO

Madagascan Eagle 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:41:00 - [11] - Quote *isk
undeadsoldier90 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 492	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:43:00 - [12] - Quote Ok first off no. Just because YOUR av can't kill an armor tank that does not mean it needs a nerf. The repper is supposed to do that. Honestly if you can't kill a armor tank with av your doing it wrong. Change up your gear, or wait for the tanks modules to shutdown it really is that simple.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 399	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:43:00 - [13] - Quote I dont expect to do it by myself, i just think that the Armour repper reps way to fast compared to the shield one
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 329	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:44:00 - [14] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: So from an Anti Vehicle point of view it seems armour tanks are much harder to take out for one reason only. There Armour rep is so powerful. Its easy to take down a shield tank but armour is always hard to finish off. I want to see peoples opinion on this, from an armour tanker point of view and a Anti Vehicle point of view. You think the tank is OP yet you say it's easy to take down a shield tank, that means shield tank needs a buff, you shouldn't be thining "It's easy to kill a tank"
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1306	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:44:00 - [15] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Madagascan Eagle wrote: No tanks are op. If anything buff the caldari tank. They may be hard to kill but they're tanks. That's the point. They're easy to scare off. Armour tanks seem a little too good with the fact that if there armour repper is up it's almost impossible to kill a tank. just needs a counter : ) thats what makes eve great , hard counter fits, dust lacks this.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1306	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Armor is much weaker to all forms of AV. However its well suited for tank vs tank. forge guns do less to armor, 90%. they could deal 50% instead, 150% to shields
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 399	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:48:00 - [17] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: So from an Anti Vehicle point of view it seems armour tanks are much harder to take out for one reason only. There Armour rep is so powerful. Its easy to take down a shield tank but armour is always hard to finish off. I want to see peoples opinion on this, from an armour tanker point of view and a Anti Vehicle point of view. You think the tank is OP yet you say it's easy to take down a shield tank, that means shield tank needs a buff, you shouldn't be thining "It's easy to kill a tank" Maybe buffing shields is the way to go. Tanks are very high risk, not very high reward. so making them better would be nice, even though i dont use them.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 400	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:49:00 - [18] - Quote undeadsoldier90 wrote: Ok first off no. Just because YOUR av can't kill an armor tank that does not mean it needs a nerf. The repper is supposed to do that. Honestly if you can't kill a armor tank with av your doing it wrong. Change up your gear, or wait for the tanks modules to shutdown it really is that simple. Calm down i'm just saying the armour repper reps way to fast compared the the shield rep.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote From my thread Fix Shield Tanking Shield should be able to burst tank like in EVE, not the other way around as it is right now where armor requires a lot of damage while its reps are active. Shield boosters should rapid pulses in comparison to armor reps. A shield booster should give more hp/s than an armor rep when it is active though. Something like 350-400 shield every second for 5 seconds and a cooldown that is longer than it is currently would be considered burst tanking. Armor reps should be slow and rep more per rep, but can be held more constant as opposed to shield boosters. I suggest doubling or tripling the amount of armor repped per cycle at the expense of double or triple the pulse interval. Also reduce the cooldown.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:55:00 - [20] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: undeadsoldier90 wrote: Ok first off no. Just because YOUR av can't kill an armor tank that does not mean it needs a nerf. The repper is supposed to do that. Honestly if you can't kill a armor tank with av your doing it wrong. Change up your gear, or wait for the tanks modules to shutdown it really is that simple. Calm down i'm just saying the armour repper reps way to fast compared the the shield rep. Does it? I've always wondered if the armor rep does cycle faster than the shield booster, because according to the attributes, the shield booster should cycle faster than the armor rep, not the other way around.

Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 393	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:55:00 - [21] - Quote armor tanks are not OP to AV. In fact, they are just barely sufficent to resist the ridiculously powerful AV in dust. They are however OP compared to sheild tanks and most ppl agree that sheild tanks need to be brought up to line with armor tanks
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 68	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:00:00 - [22] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: armor tanks are not OP to AV. In fact, they are just barely sufficent to resist the ridiculously powerful AV in dust. They are however OP compared to sheild tanks and most ppl agree that sheild tanks need to be brought up to line with armor tanks Before, shield tanks used to be clearly better than armor tanks. Now when CCP nerfed shield tanks, they overdid the nerf, just as always. Some examples include missile turrets and swarm launchers. The opposite is also true when they buff. Now we have a TAR epidemic which probably won't be fixed in the way it should be.
undeadsoldier90 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 493	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:06:00 - [23] - Quote Armor rep is slower than shields, but it starts faster and lasts longer.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 131	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:20:00 - [24] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: So from an Anti Vehicle point of view it seems armour tanks are much harder to take out for one reason only. There Armour rep is so powerful. Its easy to take down a shield tank but armour is always hard to finish off. I want to see peoples opinion on this, from an armour tanker point of view and a Anti Vehicle point of view. Please be respectful in the comments Militia swarms still do about 1000 damage with a hardener going. Two people spamming those plus free AV grenades = dead armor tank.
BobThe843CakeMan PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 376	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:45:00 - [25] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: armor tanks are not OP to AV. In fact, they are just barely sufficent to resist the ridiculously powerful AV in dust. They are however OP compared to sheild tanks and most ppl agree that sheild tanks need to be brought up to line with armor tanks Before, shield tanks used to be clearly better than armor tanks. Now when CCP nerfed shield tanks, they overdid the nerf, just as always. Some examples include missile turrets and swarm launchers. The opposite is also true when they buff. Now we have a TAR epidemic which probably won't be fixed in the way it should be. they never nerfed shield tanks. they nerfed the damage mods which used to do 20% last build and now do 10% this build. Also the skills to increase the railguns damage have been mostly taken away. And without the high damage the railgun simply can't destroy the armor tank with hardeners and rep. Shield tanks just need better hardeners and reps to keep up to armor tanks. or maybe not better reps but better passive regen. IMO.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 292	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:55:00 - [26] - Quote The main problem is the weapon of choice itself: Blasters and Railguns have about a 10% bonus against shields, and a 10% penalty against armor... So who is going to win in a gunfight, the guy with mostly shields, or the guy with mostly armor? They could have identical total EHP and the armor guy will win simply due to the weapon bonuses being in his favor. Missiles do a crapton of damage against armor, but large missile turrets sacrifice about 30% DPS for that extra blast radius when compared to the blasters and rails. As such, HAV vs HAV will always favor the guy with armor as HAV weapons are heavily skewed towards killing shields, though amusingly armor is most susceptible against AV infantry weapons.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 644	Posted - 2013.05.31 22:02:00 - [27] - Quote I find that shield tanks last a lot longer when in prolonged fights against enemy infantry. The shield regen allows shields to take small arms fire with near impunity and shields are naturally resistant to the militia free swarm set. It's great for following infantry around, providing support and a mobile wall to hide behind. Armor tanks don't have the natural regeneration or explosive resistance that shields enjoy, but they're scary when you try to 1v1 in a shield tank. Armor tanks get more buffer and resist, making a great burst damage anti-vehicle vehicle. I think armor tanks are fine. Shields should be buffed a bit, but I really enjoy how long I can support friendlies close-up compared to the armor tank that constantly needs to hide and rep. Also, TFW you're 3 PG away from fitting your dream Gunnlogi and you already have Vehicle Core Upgrades 5 and have all lows filled with 15% PG.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 131	Posted - 2013.05.31 22:11:00 - [28] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: I really feel like damage types need to be changed. Expolsives do 90% to shield, why not 60% and instead of doing 110% to armor, why not 150%? Then enegry based AV should be 60% to armor and 150% to shields Then there would be a tradeoff and stronger group combat Have you been in an armor tank when mod stacked militia swarms hit? With perfect vehicle armor skills, they still make me run away really fast. Why should swarms get such a massive bonus increase when they already do plenty?


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