DUST Search - [Suggestion] Allow players to very very slowly accumulate Aurum

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Kitten Empress wrote:

Now, before you hiss at me thinking that there is going to be an option to get free Aurum, listen to my suggestion.
The problem with not being able to get Aurum in any other way than to pay for it is that players feel like they are being milked and gauged for every single penny they have.
If you allow players to SLOWLY get Aurum, then players feel that the game is:
Fair in the business model department
Not milking you bone dry
Not P2W

What this creates is trust between you and the player, AND has the added bonus of making that person more comfortable buying Aurum in the future.

How will it work?
Well, first of all, it won't create any Aurum out of thin air, Aurum will still be destroyed, though a small amount of it will be recycled.

So lets say 200 Aurum worth of items has been destroyed in a match, 90% of that is destroyed, leaving us with 20 Aurum.
Then at the end of the match this is distributed between the players, and in this specific example it nets each player less than one Aurum.
So lets go to the extreme and say 2000 Aurum worth of items have been destroyed, how much money will each player get?
2000 * 0.10 = 200 Aurum
200 / 36 (max amount of players in a match) = 5.5 Aurum.
And that's at the extreme end of it, as even though I don't have statistics, I do believe in most times the Aurum destroyed is never this high.

Aurum will still need to be injected into the system, it will not change hands forever, so people will still need to buy Aurum.
Think of it like PLEX in EVE.

The one reason why this wouldn't work is because Sony's cut comes from AURUM sales. I doubt they would support any system that might reduce the number of buyers they get.

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Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 187	Posted - 2013.05.31 19:55:00 - [1] - Quote Now, before you hiss at me thinking that there is going to be an option to get free Aurum, listen to my suggestion. The problem with not being able to get Aurum in any other way than to pay for it is that players feel like they are being milked and gauged for every single penny they have. If you allow players to SLOWLY get Aurum, then players feel that the game is: Fair in the business model department Not milking you bone dry Not P2W What this creates is trust between you and the player, AND has the added bonus of making that person more comfortable buying Aurum in the future. How will it work? Well, first of all, it won't create any Aurum out of thin air, Aurum will still be destroyed, though a small amount of it will be recycled. So lets say 200 Aurum worth of items has been destroyed in a match, 90% of that is destroyed, leaving us with 20 Aurum. Then at the end of the match this is distributed between the players, and in this specific example it nets each player less than one Aurum. So lets go to the extreme and say 2000 Aurum worth of items have been destroyed, how much money will each player get? 2000 * 0.10 = 200 Aurum 200 / 36 (max amount of players in a match) = 5.5 Aurum. And that's at the extreme end of it, as even though I don't have statistics, I do believe in most times the Aurum destroyed is never this high. Aurum will still need to be injected into the system, it will not change hands forever, so people will still need to buy Aurum. Think of it like PLEX in EVE.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1768	Posted - 2013.05.31 19:56:00 - [2] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Now, before you hiss at me thinking that there is going to be an option to get free Aurum, listen to my suggestion. The problem with not being able to get Aurum in any other way than to pay for it is that players feel like they are being milked and gauged for every single penny they have. If you allow players to SLOWLY get Aurum, then players feel that the game is: Fair in the business model department Not milking you bone dry Not P2W What this creates is trust between you and the player, AND has the added bonus of making that person more comfortable buying Aurum in the future. How will it work? Well, first of all, it won't create any Aurum out of thin air, Aurum will still be destroyed, though a small amount of it will be recycled. So lets say 200 Aurum worth of items has been destroyed in a match, 90% of that is destroyed, leaving us with 20 Aurum. Then at the end of the match this is distributed between the players, and in this specific example it nets each player less than one Aurum. So lets go to the extreme and say 2000 Aurum worth of items have been destroyed, how much money will each player get? 2000 * 0.10 = 200 Aurum 200 / 36 (max amount of players in a match) = 5.5 Aurum. And that's at the extreme end of it, as even though I don't have statistics, I do believe in most times the Aurum destroyed is never this high. Aurum will still need to be injected into the system, it will not change hands forever, so people will still need to buy Aurum. Think of it like PLEX in EVE. The one reason why this wouldn't work is because Sony's cut comes from AURUM sales. I doubt they would support any system that might reduce the number of buyers they get.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 187	Posted - 2013.05.31 19:59:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Now, before you hiss at me thinking that there is going to be an option to get free Aurum, listen to my suggestion. The problem with not being able to get Aurum in any other way than to pay for it is that players feel like they are being milked and gauged for every single penny they have. If you allow players to SLOWLY get Aurum, then players feel that the game is: Fair in the business model department Not milking you bone dry Not P2W What this creates is trust between you and the player, AND has the added bonus of making that person more comfortable buying Aurum in the future. How will it work? Well, first of all, it won't create any Aurum out of thin air, Aurum will still be destroyed, though a small amount of it will be recycled. So lets say 200 Aurum worth of items has been destroyed in a match, 90% of that is destroyed, leaving us with 20 Aurum. Then at the end of the match this is distributed between the players, and in this specific example it nets each player less than one Aurum. So lets go to the extreme and say 2000 Aurum worth of items have been destroyed, how much money will each player get? 2000 * 0.10 = 200 Aurum 200 / 36 (max amount of players in a match) = 5.5 Aurum. And that's at the extreme end of it, as even though I don't have statistics, I do believe in most times the Aurum destroyed is never this high. Aurum will still need to be injected into the system, it will not change hands forever, so people will still need to buy Aurum. Think of it like PLEX in EVE. The one reason why this wouldn't work is because Sony's cut comes from AURUM sales. I doubt they would support any system that might reduce the number of buyers they get. Trust me, this will be more than worth it. In games where you can get money you pay for, the amount of players who actually buy stuff is much higher. This is because players feel much better spending their money, because they don't feel like they were forced to do it.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 814	Posted - 2013.05.31 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote Just fight Planetary Conquest battles, I get a TON of AUR salvage items every fight.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 187	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Just fight Planetary Conquest battles, I get a TON of AUR salvage items every fight. That's not the point whatsoever. Also I have 150k Aurum and enough boosters to last me for a year, so this is not for me.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1768	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:06:00 - [6] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Just fight Planetary Conquest battles, I get a TON of AUR salvage items every fight. That's not the point whatsoever. Also I have 150k Aurum and enough boosters to last me for a year, so this is not for me. If Sony would go for it, I would love having the option to buy AURUM with ISK the same way you can do so in EVE. I think some of the demand for this might wane when you take into account the future ability of Dust players to buy AURUM gear from other Dust players for ISK. Don't get my wrong, I like where you're coming from, but I'm having a hard time seeing the practicality beyond the immediate.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 187	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:07:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Just fight Planetary Conquest battles, I get a TON of AUR salvage items every fight. That's not the point whatsoever. Also I have 150k Aurum and enough boosters to last me for a year, so this is not for me. If Sony would go for it, I would love having the option to buy AURUM with ISK the same way you can do so in EVE. I think some of the demand for this might wane when you take into account the future ability of Dust players to buy AURUM gear from other Dust players for ISK. Don't get my wrong, I like where you're coming from, but I'm having a hard time seeing the practicality beyond the immediate. This market is at least a year or two away. This is a solution that will work for now.
LICHSMASHER Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:17:00 - [8] - Quote i culd see how a very slow tricle over time of aurum as well as few gifts of small amounts of aurum on hoildays could accully increase sales for ccp pelnty of other games have done this and it hasn't affected profit mind you those games were run by devs that crashed thier games into the ground cough soe cough but as far as the idea for a small amount of aurum enough to maybe blay around with a couple of weapons before you decided to open your wallet would be a good thing to spur sales
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:18:00 - [9] - Quote LICHSMASHER wrote: i culd see how a very slow tricle over time of aurum as well as few gifts of small amounts of aurum on hoildays could accully increase sales for ccp pelnty of other games have done this and it hasn't affected profit mind you those games were run by devs that crashed thier games into the ground cough soe cough but as far as the idea for a small amount of aurum enough to maybe blay around with a couple of weapons before you decided to open your wallet would be a good thing to spur sales da
Yisuki CHACALES 8	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:20:00 - [10] - Quote This is actually not a bad idea, better than other MMOs that you have to fill surveys or do other shady stuff to get whatever cash currency the game has for free.

General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:21:00 - [11] - Quote You do know that Aurum os the Latin word for gold. It isn't destroyed, it is a currency and is spent.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:24:00 - [12] - Quote General Erick wrote: You do know that Aurum os the Latin word for gold. It isn't destroyed, it is a currency and is spent. I know what Aurum means however I don't understand what you mean by the second part of your comment.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1043	Posted - 2013.05.31 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote @Kitten Empress An interesting notion, as you say the numbers would be up to CCP but it's something worth considering since the amounts et al would remain diminishing and finite. Here are a few ideas/questions I want to throw out here for your responses. Color them more of concerns than objections if that makes sense The legal agreement with Sony, do we know if there's the wiggle room for CCP to consider this option or if they'd be on the hook for extra expenses/barred from attempting this due to their deal with Sony? How would this be balanced with/effect salvage tables and drops especially for higher reward matches like PC? What about the use of AUR "tokens" or the like? (What I mean is using the secondary market to allow players to sell/exchange items of a given AUR value for ISK). I realize that part of what you're doing here is addressing a gulf in the game due to the lack of a secondary market at present but I believe it's also important to consider what this will/could do assuming an active player market since the mechanic would be unlikely to cease to exist with the opening of that market. All in all an interesting idea that bears further exploration, and while I do have concerns I think this concept merits further exploration. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ standard "in case anyone cares" disclaimer; I have ~2 years worth of boosters AUR left over so my consideration of this feature isn't motivated by personal gain.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 69	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:14:00 - [14] - Quote Interesting idea but I'd like to maybe add my own suggestion to it. When I read that something like 10% of destroyed Aurum gets transferred to the winning team, I kind of thought about PLEXes in EVE and how one person pays for one with real money and then how someone else can get that same PLEX card, either through purchasing with ISK or by destroying the other person's ship and looting the PLEX card, if it drops. So my suggestion is to allow AUR to be a traded commodity on the market (though this will only work when the market opens). Players buy AUR with real money, and they can sell it for lots of ISK on the market if they want. This way people can still get AUR without spending real money, but every single piece of AUR in the game is still completely paid for with real money.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 198	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:34:00 - [15] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Interesting idea but I'd like to maybe add my own suggestion to it. When I read that something like 10% of destroyed Aurum gets transferred to the winning team, I kind of thought about PLEXes in EVE and how one person pays for one with real money and then how someone else can get that same PLEX card, either through purchasing with ISK or by destroying the other person's ship and looting the PLEX card, if it drops. So my suggestion is to allow AUR to be a traded commodity on the market (though this will only work when the market opens). Players buy AUR with real money, and they can sell it for lots of ISK on the market if they want. This way people can still get AUR without spending real money, but every single piece of AUR in the game is still completely paid for with real money. Edit: @Cross atu, I read your post after I posted, and it seems like we both have the same suggestions about making AUR a tradeable commodity. This is the idea everyone had lol
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 28	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:15:00 - [16] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: General Erick wrote: You do know that Aurum os the Latin word for gold. It isn't destroyed, it is a currency and is spent. I know what Aurum means however I don't understand what you mean by the second part of your comment. It is easy to understand. They spend the gold (Aurum) thus circulating it to the manufacturer of the items where they keep it and spend it. It's not like the soldiers get the Neo dropsuits and strap gold bars to them.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.01 07:20:00 - [17] - Quote General Erick wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: General Erick wrote: You do know that Aurum os the Latin word for gold. It isn't destroyed, it is a currency and is spent. I know what Aurum means however I don't understand what you mean by the second part of your comment. It is easy to understand. They spend the gold (Aurum) thus circulating it to the manufacturer of the items where they keep it and spend it. It's not like the soldiers get the Neo dropsuits and strap gold bars to them. Yes, but the items bought with aurum could be "salvaged" and "sold" back to the manufacturers for parts to be recycled.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.06.01 09:26:00 - [18] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: General Erick wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: General Erick wrote: You do know that Aurum os the Latin word for gold. It isn't destroyed, it is a currency and is spent. I know what Aurum means however I don't understand what you mean by the second part of your comment. It is easy to understand. They spend the gold (Aurum) thus circulating it to the manufacturer of the items where they keep it and spend it. It's not like the soldiers get the Neo dropsuits and strap gold bars to them. Yes, but the items bought with aurum could be "salvaged" and "sold" back to the manufacturers for parts to be recycled. What he said.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 172	Posted - 2013.06.01 10:27:00 - [19] - Quote All I'm seeing is a greedy player trying to disguise his desire for free stuff in a non-selfish passive aggressive way.


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