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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:16:00 -
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StubbyDucky wrote:
Right so then with that same logic I should get my 137 million ISK back.
I mean CCP F-ed up right?
So I should keep my 137 Million ISK and anyone who was negative should HTFU.
I don't care one wit about you 137M ISK or my missing 35M ISK. Would I rather we both get that back? Yes. Do I think that it is in any way bad people were pulled out of negative? Not one bit. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:18:00 -
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thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.
HTFU Oh but it does. You see when I get killed by someone proto ( who wasn't proto b4 the mistake) I am being punished. Now if @there was an actual matchmaking system then I would tend to agree with you about it not being a punishment ( with reservations regarding the unfairness of it) But without a matchmaking system we are definitely being punished because these people wouldn't be running proto if not for the "free" isk Honestly anyone arguing against this point of view is either 1 Stupid 2 a troll 3 one of the isk abuser 4 all of the above
You are being punished for your lack of skill. I have no qualms about 1 on 1 fights with any suit in standard gear (no passives) and find it enjoyable to find ways to win. Honestly the protobears are the easy ones to bag since they tend to stupidly charge into the open. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1619
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:22:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Xender17 wrote:I don't have negative isk but I agree that players shouldn't have been punished for someone's mistake or punished because they didn't look at the forums for once. How the fuq is it a punishment? Their corps have more ISK, they have a butt ton of assets, how were the punished? An even playing field is a punishment? Well now they've been rewarded instead You be tripping. CCP failed hard at math, and the majority lost more money then they "illicitly" gained. That's a completely different problem.
If i have 3 mill, gain another 3 mill, then lose 9 mill and then get set at 0, then I still lost 3 mill. What was fixed?
Stop using 1 problem to justify another, nothing has been fixed. And the people who did lose more than they gained should file a petition. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:25:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Xender17 wrote:I don't have negative isk but I agree that players shouldn't have been punished for someone's mistake or punished because they didn't look at the forums for once. How the fuq is it a punishment? Their corps have more ISK, they have a butt ton of assets, how were the punished? An even playing field is a punishment? Well now they've been rewarded instead You be tripping. CCP failed hard at math, and the majority lost more money then they "illicitly" gained. That's a completely different problem. If i have 3 mill, gain another 3 mill, then lose 9 mill and then get set at 0, then I still lost 3 mill. Stop using 1 problem to justify another, nothing has been fixed. And the people who did lose mopre than they gained should file a petition.
Petition is an unacceptable fix. All of this was done with nary a whisper on the forums, and a totally missable popup (I never saw one for example, and I was in the "know" looking for one). People who don't know why this happened to them, probably would simply walk away from the game, and that is worse than your tears over not getting free ISK just because someone else did. |
thejoker945
Gallant Dogma Lokun Listamenn
5
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:28:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.
HTFU Oh but it does. You see when I get killed by someone proto ( who wasn't proto b4 the mistake) I am being punished. Now if @there was an actual matchmaking system then I would tend to agree with you about it not being a punishment ( with reservations regarding the unfairness of it) But without a matchmaking system we are definitely being punished because these people wouldn't be running proto if not for the "free" isk Honestly anyone arguing against this point of view is either 1 Stupid 2 a troll 3 one of the isk abuser 4 all of the above You are being punished for your lack of skill. I have no qualms about 1 on 1 fights with any suit in standard gear (no passives) and find it enjoyable to find ways to win. Honestly the protobears are the easy ones to bag since they tend to stupidly charge into the open. So option 4 for you then? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1619
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:29:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:[ Petition is an unacceptable fix. All of this was done with nary a whisper on the forums, and a totally missable popup (I never saw one for example, and I was in the "know" looking for one). People who don't know why this happened to them, probably would simply walk away from the game, and that is worse than your tears over not getting free ISK just because someone else did. Then they should have visited the bugs section of the forums and reported missing ISK, being ignorant isn't a valid excuse, and never has been. If they want quit over a bug then that's fine.
Noc Tempre wrote: I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium. So you're fine with glitches so long as they benefit you? That's called exploiting and is punishable. You've also rendered your opinion on the subject worthless. |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:30:00 -
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thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.
HTFU Oh but it does. You see when I get killed by someone proto ( who wasn't proto b4 the mistake) I am being punished. Now if @there was an actual matchmaking system then I would tend to agree with you about it not being a punishment ( with reservations regarding the unfairness of it) But without a matchmaking system we are definitely being punished because these people wouldn't be running proto if not for the "free" isk Honestly anyone arguing against this point of view is either 1 A Dumb Fu*k 2 a troll 3 one of the isk abuser 4 all of the above You are being punished for your lack of skill. I have no qualms about 1 on 1 fights with any suit in standard gear (no passives) and find it enjoyable to find ways to win. Honestly the protobears are the easy ones to bag since they tend to stupidly charge into the open. So option 4 for you then?
I fixed it for you again.
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:31:00 -
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thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.
HTFU Oh but it does. You see when I get killed by someone proto ( who wasn't proto b4 the mistake) I am being punished. Now if @there was an actual matchmaking system then I would tend to agree with you about it not being a punishment ( with reservations regarding the unfairness of it) But without a matchmaking system we are definitely being punished because these people wouldn't be running proto if not for the "free" isk Honestly anyone arguing against this point of view is either 1 Stupid 2 a troll 3 one of the isk abuser 4 all of the above You are being punished for your lack of skill. I have no qualms about 1 on 1 fights with any suit in standard gear (no passives) and find it enjoyable to find ways to win. Honestly the protobears are the easy ones to bag since they tend to stupidly charge into the open. So option 4 for you then? I wasn't going to dignify another fail survey but since you asked your lack of a "Superior Intellect to my whining" was missing, removing the most appropriate answer. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:34:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:[ Petition is an unacceptable fix. All of this was done with nary a whisper on the forums, and a totally missable popup (I never saw one for example, and I was in the "know" looking for one). People who don't know why this happened to them, probably would simply walk away from the game, and that is worse than your tears over not getting free ISK just because someone else did. Then they should have visited the bugs section of the forums and reported missing ISK, being ignorant isn't a valid excuse, and never has been. If they want quit over a bug then that's fine. Noc Tempre wrote: I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium. So you're fine with glitches so long as they benefit you? That's called exploiting and is punishable. You've also rendered your opinion on the subject worthless.
CCP erred here. There was no exploiting and malicious intent should require proof not assumption. Especially when CCP failed so hard at math. If monopoly money makes you happy I implore you to petition away. I'm not even bothering since the voiceless players were rectified of dealing with the consequences of CCP's fail. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1619
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:36:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:[ Petition is an unacceptable fix. All of this was done with nary a whisper on the forums, and a totally missable popup (I never saw one for example, and I was in the "know" looking for one). People who don't know why this happened to them, probably would simply walk away from the game, and that is worse than your tears over not getting free ISK just because someone else did. Then they should have visited the bugs section of the forums and reported missing ISK, being ignorant isn't a valid excuse, and never has been. If they want quit over a bug then that's fine. Noc Tempre wrote: I will gladly err on the side of positive error when it comes to an entertainment medium. So you're fine with glitches so long as they benefit you? That's called exploiting and is punishable. You've also rendered your opinion on the subject worthless. CCP erred here. There was no exploiting and malicious intent should require proof not assumption. Especially when CCP failed so hard at math. If monopoly money makes you happy I implore you to petition away. I'm not even bothering since the voiceless players were rectified of dealing with the consequences of CCP's fail. Nothing has been rectified. And your an idiot if you think it has. People who lost ISK unfairly still lost ISK, people who spent what they shouldn't have are now making a profit.
And yes anyone who spent enough ISK to put them in the red knew something was going on and failed to report it, that is exploiting the system. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:46:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Nothing has been rectified. And your an idiot if you think it has. People who lost ISK unfairly still lost ISK, people who spent what they shouldn't have are now making a profit.
And yes anyone who spent enough ISK to put them in the red knew something was going on and failed to report it, that is exploiting the system.
If you are just going to ignore that a sizeable number, and in my admittedly insufficient sample size of around 100 the actual majority, of people affected did not spend this is in any fashion and yet were sent to negative anyway, then you truly are unworthy of treating as a true sapient. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1621
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Nothing has been rectified. And your an idiot if you think it has. People who lost ISK unfairly still lost ISK, people who spent what they shouldn't have are now making a profit.
And yes anyone who spent enough ISK to put them in the red knew something was going on and failed to report it, that is exploiting the system.
If you are just going to ignore that a sizeable number, and in my admittedly insufficient sample size of around 100 the actual majority, of people affected did not spend this is in any fashion and yet were sent to negative anyway, then you truly are unworthy of treating as a true sapient. And you keep ignoring that that is a completely different issue, and that setting them at 0 has fixed nothing. They're still missing ISK, they're just missing less now.
But you keep trying to justify other people's stupidity |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1012
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:49:00 -
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Have the same amount before the CCP **** up... everything is cool.
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StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:52:00 -
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Quote:Dear players, at 11:00 UTC on the 28th of May, an issue occurred where some players were credited with ISK. As this ISK was an unintended error it was removed from the game as of 11:00 UTC on the 30th of May. As a result of this issue a number of characters entered negative ISK balance due to over-spending. As a temporary measure we have now taken steps to revert affected characters back to 0 ISK in order to allow them to continue playing as normal In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible. While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments. As always players are welcome to contact CCP via our support system with any concerns they may have. https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=889370#post889370
This is all fine and dandy but in the mean time they can use all the assets that they acquired. |
thejoker945
Gallant Dogma Lokun Listamenn
5
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:52:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:thejoker945 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Someone getting something they didn't deserve does not mean you were punished.
HTFU Oh but it does. You see when I get killed by someone proto ( who wasn't proto b4 the mistake) I am being punished. Now if @there was an actual matchmaking system then I would tend to agree with you about it not being a punishment ( with reservations regarding the unfairness of it) But without a matchmaking system we are definitely being punished because these people wouldn't be running proto if not for the "free" isk Honestly anyone arguing against this point of view is either 1 Stupid 2 a troll 3 one of the isk abuser 4 all of the above You are being punished for your lack of skill. I have no qualms about 1 on 1 fights with any suit in standard gear (no passives) and find it enjoyable to find ways to win. Honestly the protobears are the easy ones to bag since they tend to stupidly charge into the open. So option 4 for you then? I wasn't going to dignify another fail survey but since you asked your lack of a "Superior Intellect to my whining" was missing, removing the most appropriate answer.
lets see some verifiable facts of you going 1 on 1 in standard gear against proto suits and tanks and winning (apparently easily). and why is skill even being brought into this?
Your argument of the isk situation not being a punishment was countered by me on why it is and your response is basically "U Suxxx" .
( you sir are a TROLL which makes you stupid which likely means you took advantage of the isk issue which brings us back to option 4)
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Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
88
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:54:00 -
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Knowing somebody has 300M ISK worth of free HAVs is just wrong. Thanks. I would've dumped it into my corp, had I known compounding errors is how resolution worked in New Eden.
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StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:57:00 -
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StubbyDucky wrote:Quote:Dear players, at 11:00 UTC on the 28th of May, an issue occurred where some players were credited with ISK. As this ISK was an unintended error it was removed from the game as of 11:00 UTC on the 30th of May. As a result of this issue a number of characters entered negative ISK balance due to over-spending. As a temporary measure we have now taken steps to revert affected characters back to 0 ISK in order to allow them to continue playing as normal In the meantime we are working on a system to reclaim ISK from over-spending that will review player purchases and corp donation histories on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible. While it may take some time to apply these changes we will contact affected users once we have rebalanced their ISK status to let them know that there should be no further adjustments. As always players are welcome to contact CCP via our support system with any concerns they may have. https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/On behalf of the DUST 514 team please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=889370#post889370This is all fine and dandy but in the mean time they can use all the assets that they acquired.
on a case by case basis in order to fairly correct each characters ISK wallet and assets as soon as possible.
Yeah and we all know how fast CCP is at fixing sh*t, (hit detection). |
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