Maybe its just me, but I have trouble reading this.

So basically you want to be able to use any item, even proto items without having any skills. Then have all those items, except militia grade, have bonuses built into them according to your skills.

I dunno. I like the idea of trying to unlock new weapons and armor and cars and stuff. Not making it a HUGE grind, but just something I can work towards. I think the fact that "most" items already have a militia or AUR try before you buy option renders much of this unessecary.

I don't really mind the skills how they are now. I think there is alot missing, and I'm hoping that as they add new skills they decrease some of the others so newbies can catch up. Right now you need about 5-6M skillpoints to be Competitive with the oldest veteran players. That seems legit, if a little high, as that is currently about 20 weeks of soft cap grinding.

[Edit]: We also want people to actually USE protogear. I always run 4k fits, I just like the challenge. But I don't mind people using protogear. Making it ungodly expensive will just drive AUR proto sales and then people will complain to no end about Pay to Win.

Complete Skill system overhaul
1. Skills do not unlock any items.
1.1. All items are already unlocked.

WARNING:

If CCP were to do this, then Eve Online players will start demanding the same thing and ultimately every player in New Eden will be flying Titans.

In other words, you have a much higher liklihood of dying to a lightening strike while holding a rabbit than convincing CCP to unlock all weapons.

Anyways. I prefer the grind for unlocking weapons. Gives me a sense of accomplishment. Unlocking new bonuses hardly has any such effect in making me feel more accomplished compared to a weapon.

WARNING:

If CCP were to do this, then Eve Online players will start demanding the same thing and ultimately every player in New Eden will be flying Titans.

In other words, you have a much higher liklihood of dying to a lightening strike while holding a rabbit than convincing CCP to unlock all weapons.

I also dislike the Idea of all multipliers changing based on total investment. You might not know this, but you can only put so much SP into a certain weapon, or class. once you hit max points then you HAVE to start speccing into something else. why should a basic suit skill have a 10x multiplier?

It's supposed to allow easy specialisation into a role initially and progressively become more difficult to acquire efficacy in new roles.

You do know that they increased the SP requirements because the skill tree we had in beta was so people could use as much as they could, and now it is going to be where it is ( more or less for the life of the game). Ghis game will hopefully get wider and not just deeper.

Also CCP is not EA and will not **** OFF their fain base by having BLATANT DOUBLE STANDERS and giving the bird to most of their fans (EVE players). Dust and EVE are in the same universe and Duster and Capsuleers almost exactly the same ( dusters are more advanced, as in they have their Emperion teck in their head and not the capsule), so why would they be so different in progression and how would they enplane that difference.

And I dislike what it's supposed to do. a bittervet should be able to fall in love with a new specialty down the line without having to grind 10x as hard. That system worked for Demon's Souls. It won't work for Dust.

but since you can lose ISK, it balances out instant battles because their importance is not worth the ISK, and potential fun you get out of protostomping everyone.

Then CCP should simply ignore the capsuleers.

Because EVE as a game does not equal DUST as a game, and the recipe for the success of one cannot be applied to the other.

This proposal sounds like a request to turn Dust into COD imo this is not the way to go. Choices matter. What you propose is that choices don't matter. Everyone is not equal nor should they be.

That's... not really what he was suggesting at all, at least by my reckoning.

The important part is cutting out pre-reqs and making SP be fed into equipment categories. Part of that would entail equipment being made more diverse, but...

I'm running out of time here so I'll cut to the important part which is not strictly speaking related to lifting equipment restrictions.

At the moment SP creates a gulf, ISK doesn't. Not really. SP also has a ceiling, sooner or later it will be hit. Raising it can be done in a couple of fashions but not without issues, no time to go into that. Important part is that perhaps it would be better if the main thing separating players from the regular use of prototype equipment is the fact that it's inordinately expensive compared to standard, not that it's got a steep SP cost. I'd possibly be fine with both being true but the important part to me is the much higher relative cost.

So in PC this could introduce attrition. If we could make the question 'is this district worth the cost of all the protos we're using to defend it?' be seriously asked that would be wonderful.

But now I must go.

As new gear is introduced so the ceiling raises. Isk is a gulf as surely as SP is sir. The player with 400mil isk can call in a seemingly limitless supply of tanks to blow away those who only have 10mil isk. Check what you are asking for, it means that SP is irrelevant and not something that benefits a player in the slightest. Rather player skill is the only thing that matters.

As new gear is introduced so the ceiling raises. Isk is a gulf as surely as SP is sir. The player with 400mil isk can call in a seemingly limitless supply of tanks to blow away those who only have 10mil isk. Check what you are asking for, it means that SP is irrelevant and not something that benefits a player in the slightest. Rather player ISK would be the only thing that matters.

No it doesn't.

When the tax system gets put up and/or the economies are linked there will be nothing out there stopping TEST, or Goonfleet, or Gentleman's Agreement, or any other established EVE entity from dumping piles of ISK on everybody so that all players will be using only proto gear when they fight for those corps.

Do you really want the Instant Battle Academy to get proto stomped? what you are proposing will let that happen. There will a pub stomp the likes of which you have never seen or can even imagine.

Do you remember what happened the last time CCP ignored the Capsuleers of New Eden? It wasn't pretty.
Jita Riots

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...do you really think Dust can get away with being different for long 10 years down the road

This proposal sounds like a request to turn Dust into COD imo this is not the way to go. Choices matter. What you propose is that choices don't matter. Everyone is not equal nor should they be.

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Indeed, the current system is satisfying and rewards hard work and excellence in battle as well as out of battle. I find prestige classes a dissatisfying way of rewarding grinding.

And what's stopping TEST, the goons or G's A from doing that now, with the current ISK system?

I recall one CCP representative saying that DUST and EVE would be like two windows through which you view the same house.

Integration is fine, but if capsuleers want all game mechanics of DUST working like it does in EVE, I think I may have underestimated their ignorance.

But, as I've repeated quite a few times between my two threads on this matter, how long can it remain satisfying? When you reach 50 mill SP? 100 mill? After that, where's the satisfaction in acquiring new skills? Where's the satisfaction in playing instant battles when you can purchase anything and everything, and have the ability to wield it?

And what's stopping TEST, the goons or G's A from doing that now, with the current ISK system?

No skill requirements to unlock the use of equipment? No need to read further, this idea is bunk.

The SP and isk dynamic already work perfectly fine, and are an incredibly powerful factor it leveling the playing field between new and old players. Specialize early, diversify later, and always work as a team. That's now you succeed.

No changes are needed to the fundamental isk/SP dynamic.