DUST Search - Abandon expectations, they will only lead to dissapointment

Vrain Matari wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Rogue drones PVE game mode was suppose to be out in 2012, that is what CCP said in Fanfest 2012. Non-temperate planets like lava planets were suppose to be released this year. Neither of these things are even on their revealed list of near-future (6 months or less, well 5 months now) additions to come. I want to get excited about things they say are coming in the future, but so many things they mentioned forever ago still isn't here.

Many years ago when they first announced this game, they talked about an MCC commander that directs his team RTS-style, yet it still isn't here. In various interviews they announced that we would be able to deploy installations into the battlefield, but that still isn't here. They wrote on their official website that Dust would have 48 player battles, but I don't see these fictional battles; the information on the main website is (currently) a lie. They announced over a year ago that we would have this "conquest" game mode that is bigger than Skirmish, where is that?

Don't be surprised if the other racial dropsuits, racial vehicle variants, racial rifles, all those cool new specializations, and everything else that is suppose to come in 5 months or less end up taking more than a year to arrive.

Abandon all expectation, and become bitter.

Our faith has certainly taken a shitkicking, hasn't it?

I came into work today and two of the younger guys who were from a part of the gaming spectrum fairly far from the DUST market both mentioned to me how DUST was getting hammered in reviews. All I could do was admit that the low scores were justified.

We need a stable game client in which we can aim and move without constantly fighting the game. Those are the lowest expectations i can possibly imagine. We've reached rock bottom.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4122	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:36:00 - [1] - Quote Rogue drones PVE game mode was suppose to be out in 2012, that is what CCP said in Fanfest 2012. Non-temperate planets like lava planets were suppose to be released this year. Neither of these things are even on their revealed list of near-future (6 months or less, well 5 months now) additions to come. I want to get excited about things they say are coming in the future, but so many things they mentioned forever ago still isn't here. Many years ago when they first announced this game, they talked about an MCC commander that directs his team RTS-style, yet it still isn't here. In various interviews they announced that we would be able to deploy installations into the battlefield, but that still isn't here. They wrote on their official website that Dust would have 48 player battles, but I don't see these fictional battles; the information on the main website is (currently) a lie. They announced over a year ago that we would have this "conquest" game mode that is bigger than Skirmish, where is that? Don't be surprised if the other racial dropsuits, racial vehicle variants, racial rifles, all those cool new specializations, and everything else that is suppose to come in 5 months or less end up taking more than a year to arrive. Abandon all expectation, and become bitter.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4126	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:00:00 - [2] - Quote Its probably going to be 2 years before this is a good game.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 271	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:04:00 - [3] - Quote Abandon All Hope!!!!! Abandon Ship!!!! GO GO GO GO!!!! We're starting to list, it won't be long before we're submerged. MAN THE LIFEBOATS!!!! On Topic: I just wish CCP would start giving us honest expectations rather than the smoke and mirrors.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 46	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:05:00 - [4] - Quote I am willing to wait.
S Park Finner BetaMax. CRONOS. 123	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:14:00 - [5] - Quote [quote=KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf]They announced over a year ago that we would have this "conquest" game mode that is bigger than Skirmish, where is that?/quote]I'm in substantial agreement with KAGEHOSHI but you could argue that PC is a kind of extended conquest -- just not what they implied or what we expected. And it isn't supported by in-game mechanisms that provide a sense of continuity. Not wanting to be a CCP apologist, but we have had hints that CCP are getting their planning and management acts together a bit for DUST 514. The new manager sounded like she was pushing for those kinds of reforms.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 47	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:26:00 - [6] - Quote Having been here since early open Beta I seem to have developed some idea of how CCP is operating now, and your subject line for this post is pretty much spot on. It's quite Buddhist of you.....
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Unclaimed. 551	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:37:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Rogue drones PVE game mode was suppose to be out in 2012, that is what CCP said in Fanfest 2012. Non-temperate planets like lava planets were suppose to be released this year. Neither of these things are even on their revealed list of near-future (6 months or less, well 5 months now) additions to come. I want to get excited about things they say are coming in the future, but so many things they mentioned forever ago still isn't here. Many years ago when they first announced this game, they talked about an MCC commander that directs his team RTS-style, yet it still isn't here. In various interviews they announced that we would be able to deploy installations into the battlefield, but that still isn't here. They wrote on their official website that Dust would have 48 player battles, but I don't see these fictional battles; the information on the main website is (currently) a lie. They announced over a year ago that we would have this "conquest" game mode that is bigger than Skirmish, where is that? Don't be surprised if the other racial dropsuits, racial vehicle variants, racial rifles, all those cool new specializations, and everything else that is suppose to come in 5 months or less end up taking more than a year to arrive. Abandon all expectation, and become bitter. Our faith has certainly taken a shitkicking, hasn't it? I came into work today and two of the younger guys who were from a part of the gaming spectrum fairly far from the DUST market both mentioned to me how DUST was getting hammered in reviews. All I could do was admit that the low scores were justified. We need a stable game client in which we can aim and move without constantly fighting the game. Those are the lowest expectations i can possibly imagine. We've reached rock bottom.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4130	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:39:00 - [8] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Rogue drones PVE game mode was suppose to be out in 2012, that is what CCP said in Fanfest 2012. Non-temperate planets like lava planets were suppose to be released this year. Neither of these things are even on their revealed list of near-future (6 months or less, well 5 months now) additions to come. I want to get excited about things they say are coming in the future, but so many things they mentioned forever ago still isn't here. Many years ago when they first announced this game, they talked about an MCC commander that directs his team RTS-style, yet it still isn't here. In various interviews they announced that we would be able to deploy installations into the battlefield, but that still isn't here. They wrote on their official website that Dust would have 48 player battles, but I don't see these fictional battles; the information on the main website is (currently) a lie. They announced over a year ago that we would have this "conquest" game mode that is bigger than Skirmish, where is that? Don't be surprised if the other racial dropsuits, racial vehicle variants, racial rifles, all those cool new specializations, and everything else that is suppose to come in 5 months or less end up taking more than a year to arrive. Abandon all expectation, and become bitter. Our faith has certainly taken a shitkicking, hasn't it? I came into work today and two of the younger guys who were from a part of the gaming spectrum fairly far from the DUST market both mentioned to me how DUST was getting hammered in reviews. All I could do was admit that the low scores were justified. We need a stable game client in which we can aim and move without constantly fighting the game. Those are the lowest expectations i can possibly imagine. We've reached rock bottom. Yeah, the game really doesn't even have the basics fully working. We need another Chromosome, a patch about fixing things as opposed to new content.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:41:00 - [9] - Quote It took you long enough to see the light. I lowered my expectations the day I logged in to see my MD turned into a potato launcher. When I finally did have faith in the game again I found out the damn thing wasn't changed based on player feedback, but instead the equivalent of an office LAN party. Finding out that regardless of how much feedback we give, they're still going to pull this cloak and dagger bull **** behind a mask of transparency. I went though this with EVE Online for 5 years and I'm not about to make the mistake again. If you really want to see change, don't log in. Player turnout is something valuable, even morose than how much AUR we buy don't just close your wallets, close your client and see how long it'll take for them to make a change.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4810	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:59:00 - [10] - Quote Actually Rogue Drones was 2013 last time I heard it, Matter factly 'A year after launch.' was the phrase commonly used.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4131	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:00:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Actually Rogue Drones was 2013. I just watched the CCP Presents thing from 2012's Fanfest, they said 2012 for PVE, 2013 for exotic planet types and MTACs.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:03:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Actually Rogue Drones was 2013. I just watched the CCP Presents thing from 2012's Fanfest, they said 2012 for PVE, 2013 for exotic planet types and MTACs. What's the point? They change things when they feel like it. I'm tired of all the little surprises I find when I log in. Hell, I'm waiting for my be limited to a sidearm any day now.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 589	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:23:00 - [13] - Quote People are complaining alot lately about how long it takes CCP to do anything. Updates are coming fairly frequently now and that seems pretty cool to me. As long as I get new content about every 6 months I'll be pretty happy. I'd like every 3 months, but that has never been CCP's style.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3379	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:25:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Abandon all expectation, and become bitter. "Selling the sizzle, not the steak" I have faith we'll get the steak one day though
Night Ward Ametat Security Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:27:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Actually Rogue Drones was 2013 last time I heard it, Matter factly 'A year after launch.' was the phrase commonly used. If i were you i would create an alt to post on. Friendly tip
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 331	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:33:00 - [16] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: People are complaining alot lately about how long it takes CCP to do anything. Updates are coming fairly frequently now and that seems pretty cool to me. As long as I get new content about every 6 months I'll be pretty happy. I'd like every 3 months, but that has never been CCP's style. It's the substance that counts. Many of these Dust updates manage to **** off more people than it pleases. CCP can't even get the basics right in Dust; they have no reason to even begin thinking about new content until they get the foundation right first CCP Iceland had a come to Jesus moment a couple of years ago regarding EVE and I think CCP Beijing needs one concerning Dust right about now.
DarkMaximos Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:43:00 - [17] - Quote Should be released around this year so it can keep the new players longer. Eve online has one.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:43:00 - [18] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Daedric Lothar wrote: People are complaining alot lately about how long it takes CCP to do anything. Updates are coming fairly frequently now and that seems pretty cool to me. As long as I get new content about every 6 months I'll be pretty happy. I'd like every 3 months, but that has never been CCP's style. It's the substance that counts. Many of these Dust updates manage to **** off more people than it pleases. CCP can't even get the basics right in Dust; they have no reason to even begin thinking about new content until they get the foundation right first CCP Iceland had a come to Jesus moment a couple of years ago regarding EVE and I think CCP Beijing needs one concerning Dust right about now. ^Exactly! Every time a new update comes out, they seem to turn a blind eye to important feedback and break more things, trying to fix them when they weren't broken in the first place. Sure, Uprising is pretty, but look at what happened with all the invisible walls, aiming and how they nerfed everything except for the AR to uselessness. Heavies claim that CCP hates them, it's quite the opposite. They got to find out that their primary AI weapon was going to be nerfed to laughable levels. Tankers had to find out first hand that their PG was nerfed, MD users had to find out about the unwarranted nerf because someone got their jimmies rustled in a LAN party and shotgunners... yeah, don't get me started on shotgunners. It's a sad state of affairs when simple core mechanics have to suffer when a developer gives the message of transparency, but decides to do what they want anyway. If this doesn't hit home yet, wait until next week, when fused locus grenades start selling on the market for isk.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1148	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:54:00 - [19] - Quote Can i have your stuff?
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:59:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Abandon all expectation, and become bitter. "Selling the sizzle, not the steak" I have faith we'll get the steak one day though How's that Derpship working out for you?

StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:03:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Actually Rogue Drones was 2013 last time I heard it, Matter factly 'A year after launch.' was the phrase commonly used. Still have not shaken all of the CCP crap out of your ears yet I see. Or maybe you just have not removed you head from CCP's brown hole yet in order to shake all that crap out of your ears.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3379	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:04:00 - [22] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Abandon all expectation, and become bitter. "Selling the sizzle, not the steak" I have faith we'll get the steak one day though How's that Derpship working out for you? Spec'd out of it Thanks for asking!
Onesimus Tarsus Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:06:00 - [23] - Quote This thread is not turning out as I expected.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:10:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Spec'd out of it Thanks for asking! You just proved my point. I hope you didn't spec into scout thought. There aren't any MD users to duel to the death with and FLGs are coming back next week.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4140	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:16:00 - [25] - Quote Proto AV without available without proto vehicles Mass driver is crap, unnecessarily nerfed Laser is crap, long range weapon with a damn ironsight? HMG is crap Light suits are just a novelty We have olnly 6 maps, and only 3 outposts after all this time, yet we're suppose to pretend we're fighting on thousands of unique planets. Not enough environment textures, skies, surface infrastructure, or outposts to keep things interesting, and the actual maps are boring unlike the canyon map we first saw in Skirmish 1.0 The game modes is likely the worst part IMO. Only 2 modes, and generic boring ones at that; adding a bunch of variations of the same damn modes doesn't count as new modes. We had something great with Skirmish 1.0, but instead of balancing and fixing it, they decided to scrap it completely. Frame rates still suck, still hit detection problems, still crappy controls.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3379	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:16:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: You just proved my point. I hope you didn't spec into scout thought. There aren't any MD users to duel to the death with and FLGs are coming back next week. Shotgun scout is my favorite way to play this game, and while it CAN still technically be done....god damn is it frustrating. I'm kind of putting all my eggs in one basket right now and hoping that the Commando is in fact the other Heavy type, and will be able to use two light weapons. If not, then...::shrugs:: I don't care anymore, I have abandoned all hope
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:19:00 - [27] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Proto AV without available without proto vehicles Mass driver is crap, unnecessarily nerfed Laser is crap, long range weapon with a damn ironsight? HMG is crap Light suits are just a novelty We have olnly 6 maps, and only 3 outposts after all this time, yet we're suppose to pretend we're fighting on thousands of unique planets. Not enough environment textures, skies, surface infrastructure, or outposts to keep things interesting, and the actual maps are boring unlike the canyon map we first saw in Skirmish 1.0 The game modes is likely the worst part IMO. Only 2 modes, and generic boring ones at that; adding a bunch of variations of the same damn modes doesn't count as new modes. We had something great with Skirmish 1.0, but instead of balancing and fixing it, they decided to scrap it completely. Frame rates still suck, still hit detection problems, still crappy controls. Dude, you used to be the most positive person on the forums. I kind of felt ashamed when I broke before you did. What was your breaking point out of curiosity?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4141	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:27:00 - [28] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Proto AV without available without proto vehicles Mass driver is crap, unnecessarily nerfed Laser is crap, long range weapon with a damn ironsight? HMG is crap Light suits are just a novelty We have olnly 6 maps, and only 3 outposts after all this time, yet we're suppose to pretend we're fighting on thousands of unique planets. Not enough environment textures, skies, surface infrastructure, or outposts to keep things interesting, and the actual maps are boring unlike the canyon map we first saw in Skirmish 1.0 The game modes is likely the worst part IMO. Only 2 modes, and generic boring ones at that; adding a bunch of variations of the same damn modes doesn't count as new modes. We had something great with Skirmish 1.0, but instead of balancing and fixing it, they decided to scrap it completely. Frame rates still suck, still hit detection problems, still crappy controls. Dude, you used to be the most positive person on the forums. I kind of felt ashamed when I broke before you did. What was your breaking point out of curiosity? I haven't given up, but I have been feeling this way for a long time, since even before Uprising; I knew 2 more maps wouldn't fix the problem of variety, and I knew some renamed Skirmish variant didn't count as an actual new mode. What I didn't know was that balance would be ruined so badly, nor that assault dropships would be so terrible.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:31:00 - [29] - Quote They should at least reintroduce the canyon map as it was clearly the best map they had. And the Rush gamemode was awesome awesome fun. It actually seems like the closed beta was better than what we have now, if only because it seemed fresh and easy to get into. Anybody remember the joy of getting 100k sp a game lol? Sorry for thread hijack, I want the canyon back
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 173	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:40:00 - [30] - Quote StubbyDucky wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Actually Rogue Drones was 2013 last time I heard it, Matter factly 'A year after launch.' was the phrase commonly used. Still have not shaken all of the CCP crap out of your ears yet I see. Or maybe you just have not removed you head from CCP's brown hole yet in order to shake all that crap out of your ears. Yep just another CPM "matter factly" generic ass uneducated response ..



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