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Protected Void
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:42:00 -
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I run light frames/scout suits and a scrambler rifle. This often dictates a shoot-and-hide playstyle, since my scrambler rifle works a lot slower on armor and I get killed quickly if I wait for people to shoot back. So, I typically end up with 2, 3 or even 4 times as many assists as kills.
Now, I'm fine with preparing the ground for my teammates - I'm happy for them getting easier kills after I've taken down the enemy's shield. But it would be really nice to get some visible credit for it. A Kills/Assists/Deaths listing of 8/22/8 looks so much better than the meh-ness of Kills/Deaths 8/8.
So pretty please with sugar on top: include it in the killboard. There is ample room for it, and you're already listing it in the personal stats screen, so it shouldn't be hard to implement. |
Protected Void
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:25:00 -
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Bump. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:33:00 -
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I like this. Some parts of the "kills" focus is that leaderboard, if assists were also up there, I think it might improve that feeling of teamwork among players. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:59:00 -
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Total damage dealt would also be a very meaningful statistic to have that would take into account any assists in taking down vehicles etc. IMO that would be the most important stat to sort the leaderboard by. Although I can almost taste the tears now if that were to happen |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:27:00 -
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I agree, assists is a good statistic that should be shown on the KB. The assists statistic is the one I use to determine if my squad is functioning as a squad or a group of lone wolves.
I would also like to see the lifetime assists stat in my player's totals beside my current lifetime KDR, and be able to search the leaderboard by assists as well. |
EXASTRA INVICTAS
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:29:00 -
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I often run a less than 1 KDR in a match. But with Assists it would run higher than 1. For example, I may get 5 kills, 7 assists, and 7 deaths in a match.
Showing that I wasn't a total lame-o and was indeed assisting my teammates on the leaderboard would be nice. But I don't mind. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:49:00 -
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Adding assist to the killboard is basically just for epeen stroking because you didn't actually get kill shots. You got your points, you helped your team, I don't think you need a game to validate your ego.
I almost always get assist instead of kills, it doesn't bother me because I'm just having fun. Its just a game, don't let being low on the killboard affect your ego. Try looking at WP instead of K/D |
Protected Void
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:56:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Adding assist to the killboard is basically just for epeen stroking because you didn't actually get kill shots. You got your points, you helped your team, I don't think you need a game to validate your ego.
I almost always get assist instead of kills, it doesn't bother me because I'm just having fun. Its just a game, don't let being low on the killboard affect your ego. Try looking at WP instead of K/D
Of course I don't need a game to validate my ego. My self esteem is just fine regardless of how many kills I get in Dust or any other game. However, I play this game for fun, like you, and part of that fun - for me - is trying to do my best. Both for my team and me personally. The killboard is there to show how the battle went, ranking players according to their contribution. The K/D numbers detail that ranking somewhat. K/A/D numbers would detail it some more and hint at each player's play style.
It would be a simple addition that wouldn't get in the way of anyone else's fun. I must admit I struggle to understand why you have a problem with it.
As for "being low on the killboard": I'm usually in a decent to good spot - after all, it's not ranked by K/D ratio, but by WP. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:03:00 -
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Protected Void wrote:I run light frames/scout suits and a scrambler rifle. This often dictates a shoot-and-hide playstyle, since my scrambler rifle works a lot slower on armor and I get killed quickly if I wait for people to shoot back. So, I typically end up with 2, 3 or even 4 times as many assists as kills.
Now, I'm fine with preparing the ground for my teammates - I'm happy for them getting easier kills after I've taken down the enemy's shield. But it would be really nice to get some visible credit for it. A Kills/Assists/Deaths listing of 8/22/8 looks so much better than the meh-ness of Kills/Deaths 8/8.
So pretty please with sugar on top: include it in the killboard. There is ample room for it, and you're already listing it in the personal stats screen, so it shouldn't be hard to implement.
Thought of that aswell, would be a nice addition to the visuals, sometimes you get all the kills, othertimes they get away at 1mm only to run facefirst into your buddies muzzleflash.
+1 from me.. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:12:00 -
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I wish this topic was more than just about assists, there are more things I would like shown in the scoreboard; assists (including destruction assists), hacks, objectives captured, revives, total health healed, vehicle destructions. |
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Protected Void
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:15:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wish this topic was more than just about assists, there are more things I would like shown in the scoreboard; assists (including destruction assists), hacks, objectives captured, revives, total health healed, vehicle destructions.
Oh, I'd like all of that, too, but figured the assist stat was an easy-to-achieve objective, given that the stat is already available in the end-of-game set of tabs and wouldn't require any redesign of the layout of the killboard. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:24:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Adding assist to the killboard is basically just for epeen stroking because you didn't actually get kill shots. You got your points, you helped your team, I don't think you need a game to validate your ego.
I almost always get assist instead of kills, it doesn't bother me because I'm just having fun. Its just a game, don't let being low on the killboard affect your ego. Try looking at WP instead of K/D An unavoidable truth is that by displaying K/D ratio they are imbued with an implication of significance. You and I know K/D isn't actually important but as they're the primary statistic tracked people focus on it and often make their playstyle revolve around improving it.
It impacts player behaviour for the worse is the short of it. In a perfect world I'd actually prefer it if K/D was not tracked at all but as that's unlikely then shifting the emphasis away from K/D alone would also be an acceptable measure.
As for why it's effect on behaviour is bad: conserving your own life instead of risking it for a vital objective is reflected positively in your statistics, thus you shouldn't take strategic risks; support role contributions are not tallied in long-term statistics, you should clearly be shooting mans, not mending them; what you kill is not important, be it a militia scout or an ADV HAV, so get to farming infantry (for best results full-team protostomp a pub). |
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CCP Mintchip
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:33:00 -
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I agree this would be a great feature, and I will see about the timeline on it for you. It's awesome to be able to see the type of contributions you're making to any given match and it can really be a motivator to participate in team-kills when it's being documented in some way. I will do my best to keep you updated as soon as I can!
CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:41:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:I agree this would be a great feature, and I will see about the timeline on it for you. It's awesome to be able to see the type of contributions you're making to any given match and it can really be a motivator to participate in team-kills when it's being documented in some way. I will do my best to keep you updated as soon as I can!
CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep
Yeah, especially for those matches where you go terrible negative but if your assists had been kills you'd have gone 3:1 for the match.
I may not be the greatest, though I usually go even (give or take a few kills) but those times where I have 0-2 kills and double digit deaths, I usually have double digit assists too. |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 15:46:00 -
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I once got 50+ assists in a match because that's what my scrambler rifle does...tears through shields to about 2 armor and BAM, kill was stolen because of overheat.
Oh well. As long as that can be noticed up there with my 1/2 ratio at the top of the board then maybe players would know that I'm not just doing logistics stuff, and that I am supporting the team with helping to kill players. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:07:00 -
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What I really want is a tally of how much ISK and AUR I lost in a match so I can compar against how much ISK I earned in that match. |
Protected Void
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.07 17:39:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:What I really want is a tally of how much ISK and AUR I lost in a match so I can compar against how much ISK I earned in that match.
That's a good idea, too - you should make a dedicated thread about it, it's easier to get it noticed that way. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.07 18:16:00 -
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+1 to this idea
On a related note I really think that some listing for clone deaths (the functional stat that actually cost your team something) needs to be displayed as opposed to the current "deaths" (which holds no actual meaning aside from someone on the opposing team earned 50 WP... and maybe a few 25 WP awards for assists).
Good idea OP Cheers, Cross |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:53:00 -
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Add in a line showing WP-over-time, so you can compare with the deaths/kills/assists |
element0mega
Elements Of Death Elite Omega Commission
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:41:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:I agree this would be a great feature, and I will see about the timeline on it for you. It's awesome to be able to see the type of contributions you're making to any given match and it can really be a motivator to participate in team-kills when it's being documented in some way. I will do my best to keep you updated as soon as I can!
CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep
Assists are sorely needed.
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blue skink
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:12:00 -
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Assists would be great for the scoreboard. Also I wonder about assists timiing as well. For instance, shoot a guy, he runs around corner, gets shot by a teammate and dies. Sometimes I get the assist sometimes I don't. |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:22:00 -
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+1 Assists on the board please, I'd love to show off a little my kdr is akin to a toilet bowl but my assists are usually quite good. |
Brutus Va'Khan
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:23:00 -
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It annoys me when I go 0/2 with over 20 assists. Then the only thing people see is that I died twice. Put in a feature where if somebody does like 80% of a reds health, they get the kill for 40 pts and the teammate who stole it gets a kill steal for the same points as an assist. |
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