Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:22:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Klivve Cussler wrote: If CCP is choosing the members of the CPM, then the assumption is that they WILL be beholden to CCP in some way. This can't be stressed enough. The CPM needs to be beholden to the community it represents.
You, I, and the rest of the council decide how this part turns out, Kain. Klive was quite specific to use the word "assumption" about our perceived loyalties, and that assumption is one that you and I have the opportunity to change over the coming months. Continue to represent the community consistently, and people will see it. I still think that we should have a player-elected council, ultimately - but I couldn't disagree more with the notion that just because CCP selected us we're somehow incapable of community loyalty. And hopefully you do too. 
Besides, even if at some point you chose not to support the community because you felt you owed CCP because they picked you - it still wouldn't be honoring their intentions in the first place. They've asked us to represent player interests during our direct talks internally, and that's what we're going to do. CCP is a business first and foremost, and yes-men are a waste of everyone's time and money and only exacerbate community unrest. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:52:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote: We are in an age of ubiquitous instant communication. It would be non-trivial, but still easy, to set up several CPMs around each issue that needs feedback. A core "generalist" CPM could persist, but I could easily see a Planetary Conquest CPM set up of 20 people and 3 devs with a term of 4 weeks or an EVE Integration CPM of 5 dusters, 5 eve players, and 5 devs that meets 1/month for 2 years.
This sounds great on paper, but depends greatly on the interest (and time) that the dev teams choose to invest in a player council. There is nothing in their job description that mandates they sit down with a bunch of us and show all their work in progress - and it took the last couple of years of highly competent CSM's demonstrating that they could successfully be a built-in part of the development process without slowing down the release schedule or frustrating the team members to the point of not wanting to work with players.
CCP's Reykjavik studio has started to grow more accustomed to utilizing player resources like the CSM - but even in that established environment the CSM still only acts as a stakeholder (a direct participant in the sprint review process) with a single team at a time. You're essentially asking for the Shanghai studio to use multiple player groups as stakeholders for various teams, and to rotate individuals in and out of that position much much faster than anyone has had time to prove that they're not incompetent / unbiased / punctual / respectful of the NDA. In essence, short-cutting past the entire platform of trust that both the CSM (and the CPM) are built around, and exposing CCP to massive amounts of corporate (and development quality) risk in the process. It's a tall order, and exactly why these things take time to set up in the first place, and why CCP decided against 6-month terms and now changes councils once a year.
Now once that trust is established - anything is possible. I ran Skype circles last year (that included dev participation) with experts and leadership in various areas of EVE Online, and if given the opportunity - would gladly do the same for Dust514. This is exactly what you're reaching at - giving a chance for players like yourself that aren't on the CPM but deserve to be heard a chance to interact face to face with the designers who can fix issues. It's certainly something we all aspire to, but there's just a curve that has to run its course here and in the meantime we're still going to be the first group the designers have those conversations with whether you like it or not.
Your best bet is to stay in contact with us, share your feedback, raise issues, and hell - you can even quiz us on our opinions about various topics if you're really worried about whether we're fit to talk about a given subject. Everyone deserves to know what any of us would say to CCP if a particular issue comes up. But realistically this cellular, constantly-rotating CPM model you speak of is awfully utopian and extremely unlikely to manifest itself anytime soon, let alone during the first four weeks of our existence. |