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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:45:00 -
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Wouldn't it be nice if it was possible to survive being instantly killed from full shields/armor? Even if just for a few precious seconds?
Being instantly dropped is just so... cheap... especially when you have so much to lose without even being aware of how you died.
Something like... if you're at full shields and get hit with a shot that would break them instead of taking the fulladditional armor damage you take a scaled percentage of armor damage. So if you're at full shields/armor and take a sniper round to the head you lose your shields and something like 1/2 or 2/3 of your armor.
It would be a limited mechanic since it would only kick in at full shields and if the scaled armor damage is high enough and your armor is already damaged it could kill you anyway. Pretty much it would only mainly apply to those super cheap occasions where you're at full shields/health one second and swearing the next.
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TheEnd762
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:04:00 -
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-1, no. Not unless all Sniper Rifles get at least a 50% RoF boost. |
BuTtHuRtPEepZ
Raging Pack of Homos
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:09:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:-1, no. Not unless all Sniper Rifles get at least a 50% RoF boost.
tactical thale sounds scary |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
368
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:57:00 -
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Only if my rail gets a 5m splash. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:02:00 -
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If you don't want to get OHK'd add more tank to your suit.
HTFU |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
2467
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:38:00 -
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No.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:43:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tactical_Shield_Manipulation Is the skill we need. |
Avallo Kantor
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:05:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tactical_Shield_Manipulation Is the skill we need.
I don't believe that skill does what you think it does.
Basically in EVE once your shields fall below 25% additional shots have a chance of "bypassing" those shields.
I.e. It becomes possible for you to take armor (and hull) damage even while your shields are 0 <= x <= 25%
That skill removes that chance down to 0% at level 5.
Meaning you have to have your shields fully depleted (at 0%) before you can be hit in armor / hull.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:48:00 -
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I am still confused then why it would help. I was thinking at level 5 there is a zero percent chance of taking damage to armor if I had 25% shields or less. I am an armor man so I don't use that skill but I have thought about training it. |
Ulysses Knapse
Bojo's School of the Trades
422
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:06:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I am still confused then why it would help. I was thinking at level 5 there is a zero percent chance of taking damage to armor if I had 25% shields or less. I am an armor man so I don't use that skill but I have thought about training it.
It's a shield skill, therefore it helps shield users. Without it, whenever you start reaching low amounts of shield HP, you'll begin taking damage through the shield, which eventually adds up and before you know it your hull is 50% damaged even though your shield tank isn't being broken. |
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Jathniel
G I A N T
EoN.
392
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:14:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if it was possible to survive being instantly killed from full shields/armor? Even if just for a few precious seconds?
Being instantly dropped is just so... cheap... especially when you have so much to lose without even being aware of how you died.
Something like... if you're at full shields and get hit with a shot that would break them instead of taking the fulladditional armor damage you take a scaled percentage of armor damage. So if you're at full shields/armor and take a sniper round to the head you lose your shields and something like 1/2 or 2/3 of your armor.
It would be a limited mechanic since it would only kick in at full shields and if the scaled armor damage is high enough and your armor is already damaged it could kill you anyway. Pretty much it would only mainly apply to those super cheap occasions where you're at full shields/health one second and swearing the next.
I had to emphasize this...
Do you realize what you just said?
"I don't want a sniper rifle to kill me if I get shot in the head."
lol...!
I don't think any of us want to get OHKed, man.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:21:00 -
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I guess one hit kills are with 100% shields and armor. I am rarely osk but I do get dropped if my shields are low, sometimes, snipers aren't a problem for me. It is not that I am good or anything like that, I just rarely die to snipers unless I am very low on shields. Wouldn't TSM stop all damage to armor if I were at lvl 5 with only 10% shields? It doesn't stop ohk at 100% shields but it would stop the occasional sniper from getting an easy kill because I have low shields. Or am I still thinking about it incorrectly? |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
324
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:34:00 -
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I am a big fan of variety and SP sinks and I wouldn't mind a module that could stop a osk. We could call it an Emergency Shield Damage Control. The module would take up a high slot and only work if 85% or more of the total shield was taken out by one shot. Shields would drop to zero but no armor damage would be taken. 10 second cool down/recharge and the skill for the module could drop the cool down by one second each level. Putting it in a high slit would force the user to give up something damage or shield related. We need many more modules and skills to add to the fun of suit design and to give players more options. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
194
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:39:00 -
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You all are still misundestanding how TSM works.
If shields are below 25% each shot has a chance (25% base, 0% at level 5) of partially or fully bypassing shields. That much you've seemed to grasp.
What you're misunderstanding is thinking that it will do anything about a OHK. Say you have 10 shield HP left and are shot for 15 damage, regardless of that skill, you WILL take a minimum of 5 damage to armour/hull, because there's only enough shield HP left to absorb 10. It's not like a saving throw or something, where any damage in excess of remaining shield HP magically goes away, it expemds itself on the shields and if there's still damage left when they shields hit 0, the rewt is expended against armour and then hull.
In any case, absolutrly no, OP. If you take enough damage to die in one shot (especially with a headshot) you die. Don't like it? Improve your tank, stay mobile, and make better use of cover. Be glad no games do things my way anymore: a headshot is death, period, whether from a sniper, a pistol, or (my personal favourite) that single shotgun pellet that happened to hit your eye socket from 50m away (my favourite pure-luck kills from CS:S hehe). |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
326
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:17:00 -
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I think I like the insta death head shot more. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
518
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:34:00 -
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You guys are all posting in a subtle Murder Taxi OP thread
[Edit]: But as for snipers, I think almost all headshots should be OHK. I mean honestly, in the EVE age they are going to have snipers firing anti-matter rounds that bend subspace and melt your skull from inside your head or some techno bable like that.
A sniper's job is to OHK people and scout, thats what they are for. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
369
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:36:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Being instantly dropped is just so... cheap... especially when you have so much to lose without even being aware of how you died. So much to lose? You're losing, what, 200,000 ISK MAX? You ever seen a dropship get OHK'd by RDVs? That's over a million ISK out the door for most pilots, and those things aren't even a weapon. At least a sniper is actively trying to kill you. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
273
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:25:00 -
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I like insta killing with my plasma cannon. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
327
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:32:00 -
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Is it fun? I haven't used one. My true love it is the Viziam, I love that weapon. I have only seen a few PC on the field. I bet TAC squads hate them. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
564
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:39:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if it was possible to survive being instantly killed from full shields/armor? Even if just for a few precious seconds?
Being instantly dropped is just so... cheap... especially when you have so much to lose without even being aware of how you died.
Something like... if you're at full shields and get hit with a shot that would break them instead of taking the fulladditional armor damage you take a scaled percentage of armor damage. So if you're at full shields/armor and take a sniper round to the head you lose your shields and something like 1/2 or 2/3 of your armor.
It would be a limited mechanic since it would only kick in at full shields and if the scaled armor damage is high enough and your armor is already damaged it could kill you anyway. Pretty much it would only mainly apply to those super cheap occasions where you're at full shields/health one second and swearing the next.
No. There is a fix, L2P. |
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