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Harpyja wrote:

TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then.

Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up.

Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha

Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry

Missile - good for structure bashing?

Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid

Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER

You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly.

Shields regenerating quickly? Please tell me how you modded your HAV. My 25hp/s is nothing. Which is why I'm forced to use a shield booster.

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Nariec Carbon 7 34	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:05:00 - [1] - Quote I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret?
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:07:00 - [2] - Quote KerBlaster
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 106	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:12:00 - [3] - Quote Rail gun
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:13:00 - [4] - Quote I much prefer the railgun because it's reliable in every situation (is there a guy halfway across the map shooting you with a forge gun? Kill him in one shot! Are you brawling with another tank? Keep your rails cool, and you can deal with that guy/gal like you would with any other turret), but quite frankly, I've seen the stats on some of those missile launchers, and I would absolutely HATE going up against them in close range. I normally gobble up Gunnlogis for breakfast (6000 armor, 1000 shields, 3 25% active hardeners that last for 60 seconds each and a 9% overall resistance DC unit as well as a heavy igl armor repper), but there was this one with a proto missile launcher and every time I tried brawling with it, it just sat there and took down my armor like a mofo.
HK Rage Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 4	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:14:00 - [5] - Quote Railgun for Long range, Blaster for Short - Mid Range Don't bother with missile launchers, they prove inaccurate when your most need them.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4754	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:16:00 - [6] - Quote Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:17:00 - [7] - Quote HK Rage wrote: Railgun for Long range, Blaster for Short - Mid Range Don't bother with missile launchers, they prove inaccurate when your most need them. Basically. I only use small missile launchers if i'm using any and that's ONLY if I really want to get something into a fit, but need that tiny bit of extra CPU/PG.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1745	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:19:00 - [8] - Quote Nariec wrote: I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret? No. Try armor blaster kthxbai.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 629	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:21:00 - [9] - Quote I use large rails with small blasters. Large rail is just... great. Good damage, RoF, long range (nothing warms my heart more than sniping a forge gunner off of a hill), has a bit of a splash, destroys installations / tanks quickly... I picked small blasters because I find my gunners get more kills using proto blasters over missiles. They do great damage per shot, and blasters can pump out a lot of shots. Small rails are rarely used.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 365	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:22:00 - [10] - Quote Nariec wrote: I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret? In all honesty, if you get REALLY good with railguns to the point where you can nail guys in the chest at 10m, rails, but for most people, blasters, except at range. Missiles are very good anti armor tank weapons but thats about it save some skilled users (General Grodd)

Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1745	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:22:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 629	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:24:00 - [12] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 365	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:48:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly. A shield tank with lots of resistance modules and a particle cannon in the hands of a skilled driver is a superior tank for killing infantry because the resistance to explosives, the dominant AV weapon, is so high, that the effective hit points are huge...until a blaster tank, railgun, or forge gun show up. All in all, shield tanks are way too hard to use if you're starting out. Just get yourself an armor tank, keep a buffer of infantry to your front and flanks, and fit an ion cannon = everything within 50m is dead.
Ghost Mason Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 41	Posted - 2013.05.30 01:51:00 - [14] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly. Shield is faster than armor -.- , waay faster ,
Nariec Carbon 7 34	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:44:00 - [15] - Quote Thanks guys, much appreciated advise.
slap26 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 670	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:46:00 - [16] - Quote Nariec wrote: I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret? The flavor of the month is armor with large hybrid turrets, currently the only viable CB tank.
slap26 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 670	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:49:00 - [17] - Quote Ghost Mason wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly. Shield is faster than armor -.- , waay faster , I'm going to be disagreeing with this. IMO armor tanks feel quicker then shield tanks. Shield feels sluggish and slow to respond. Armor feels like a shield tank did last build. Edit: and don't listen to IWS he likes to pretend he knows tanking.
jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1694	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:49:00 - [18] - Quote i used to like rails back in the day, but i really prefer blasters
slap26 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 670	Posted - 2013.05.30 02:52:00 - [19] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: i used to like rails back in the day, but i really prefer blasters That's because rails had a 5m radius and a lot of splash damage back in the day.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:10:00 - [20] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly. Shields regenerating quickly? Please tell me how you modded your HAV. My 25hp/s is nothing. Which is why I'm forced to use a shield booster.

Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 121	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:14:00 - [21] - Quote Due to buffs, missile launcher is semi decent, but not realy, still a weird nich. No reason not to go large hybrid, even if you plan on rarely touching rails, or blasters,the option allways exists to use one or the other. Got proto blasters, you got proto rails. They also have different enough playstyles to be worth to have both, and no need to chose, its the same skill.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 32	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:19:00 - [22] - Quote I simply use all turrets. No hard decision there..
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 367	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:33:00 - [23] - Quote Just get a rail and a madrugar. That's pretty much the best all purpose fit.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:45:00 - [24] - Quote Nariec wrote: I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret? Gunnlogi has less PG than the Madrugar. Thus, powergrid expansion modules don't give you as much. Which means you have less shield, and you have to use a lesser turret, like an advanced scattered blaster, or advanced railgun. The shield hardeners last for 10 seconds, with a cooldown of 30 seconds. The only good shield modules are the transporters, and at that, they're best on an armor tank to provide an excellent buffer against all incoming AV. I'm not going back into shield vehicles. I'm sticking with armor.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.05.30 03:46:00 - [25] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: I much prefer the railgun because it's reliable in every situation (is there a guy halfway across the map shooting you with a forge gun? Kill him in one shot! Are you brawling with another tank? Keep your rails cool, and you can deal with that guy/gal like you would with any other turret), but quite frankly, I've seen the stats on some of those missile launchers, and I would absolutely HATE going up against them in close range. I normally gobble up Gunnlogis for breakfast (6000 armor, 1000 shields, 3 25% active hardeners that last for 60 seconds each and a 9% overall resistance DC unit as well as a heavy igl armor repper), but there was this one with a proto missile launcher and every time I tried brawling with it, it just sat there and took down my armor like a mofo. How the hell do you run 3 hardeners? A 120mm plate?
Djheffer O.Q.R.D. 13	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:01:00 - [26] - Quote Things to consider- With shield tank, if you use missiles, you will almost always have 200-500 more effective health points depending on build and skill points. However, while you will have less health with a railgun, you can also hang wayyyy back from danger, so its not usually an issue if thats your play style. You can also use blasters on your shield tank, but you will lose even more health, so its not usually recommended due to it placing you close to enemies with the range. It really comes down to how you play, but railgun may force you to hang back until you get skilled with it.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:05:00 - [27] - Quote speaking as a tank vet and old player, the rail gun is probably the best of the 3 turret options for the tanks, it takes 1 shot to kill infantry and it does a lot of damage to instillations and other vehicles, the rail gun is also the most skilled weapon, because you really have to be an expert marksman (or extremely lucky) to hit a target like infantry from across the map or a vehicle that in cover.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:08:00 - [28] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Just get a rail and a madrugar. That's pretty much the best all purpose fit. when I got my respect, I skilled back into HAVs, im rolling with a madrugar rail gun now and im loving it, lost 1 tank but destroyed nearly 10 so far, IM BACK BITCHES!!!!! il be looking for you on the battle field
Purple Creeper Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:29:00 - [29] - Quote Any word on energy and projectile turrets? The current selection is poor. Unreliable missiles, too short-ranged and fast firing blasters with bad hit markers, and overused, beats all other turrets railguns.... My recommendation is to not skill into any of this junk. Sure, railguns are your safest bet, but doesnt variety of different roles mean anything to anyone? The blasters and missiles are so bad I've seen railguns on enforcer tanks. Wtf is happening? Are tanks just a symbol of wealth instead of their once feared prowess on the battlefield? They change things up so much were gonna need 10 respecs before we see all 4 racial HAVs. By that time people will have enough sp to have both shield and armor tanks in their arsenal. Maybe that's what they're waiting for...
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 523	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:32:00 - [30] - Quote Harpyja wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Missile Launchers are a bit niche. They do seem better at Anti-air though than the other two guns unless you're good with the railgun. Missile launchers also work well against stationary targets and large targets but most of the time an equal strength railgun will blow a hole through you blasters are a bit iffy it really depends who is out-tanking the other then. Really ironwolf... making so much work for me to clean up. Rail - useful for sniping, best at killing dropships due to alpha Blaster - useful for everything else, especially infantry Missile - good for structure bashing? Shield - trash, less ehp, less rep, less speed, avoid Armor - USE THESE, THEY'RE WAY BETTER You forgot to mention the parts about shield where swarms / AV nades tickle and shields regenerate fairly quickly. Shields regenerating quickly? Please tell me how you modded your HAV. My 25hp/s is nothing. Which is why I'm forced to use a shield booster. shield regenerating is faster on scout suits then than HAVs that's all that need to be said. 40hp/s vs 22hp/s and scouts have way less shields to start with plus for a full recover just off of the passive takes over 2minutes and that's without shield extenders by that time an armor tank can just roll up to supply depot and repair at 100hp/s. armor all the way no real reason not to.

Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 10	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:32:00 - [31] - Quote Nariec wrote: I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret? go rail and armor tanks. In this build they are better in nearly every aspect, aside from having more and better av weapons effective against them. I only use shileds because im holding on to a bit hope that they will balence them out, or return pg increase skill.
PITCH- BLACK Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:35:00 - [32] - Quote Nariec wrote: I'm planning on going for HAV shield, I would like to know from experienced tankers which one is better, Rail Gun or Missile Turret? rail gun is long range combat, railguns are for anti vehicle missile turrets are for both anti infantry and anti vehicle, but more towards anti vehicle. Even though missile turrets are a bit slow compared to blaster turrets, they get the job done. Stronger then blaster turrets, but are hard to hit the target with every single missile on impact of target. If you want CQC go missiles. Long range anti vehicle support- Railgun...


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