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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:40:00 -
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"Are Dropships overpowered?"
ROFL
You be trollin' lady.
I see you trollin'
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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
551
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:40:00 -
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You need to take a research methods class and stats. Not a very well put together survey. Your questions are leading which will destroy your results. You do not use target/specific questioning well. And your broader questions are way to broad and seem to lead people.
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Noc Tempre
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1710
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Posted - 2013.05.29 03:55:00 -
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It is good she is asking for feedback finally. That is the behavior I appreciate in CPM. Execution can improve with time hopefully.
HOWEVER
The only relevant questions for a CPM to be interested in were
Does your Character's Race have any impact on the suit you chose?
Awoxing should be harder, but still possible in the game
There should be model placeholder suits for the missing racial dropsuits.
Once a year, we should have the option of respeccing our skill points.
While the questions are horribly leading, at least they are relevant to CPM. Ironically, none of these are the questions marked required... |
Noc Tempre
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1711
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:23:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:SoCal Ninja wrote:Your survey is biased and is presenting multipart questions as a dicadamy. This is a logical fallacy. If I disagree with respects once a year am I disagreeing to have respecs ever? Am I disagreeing that we should have them more often? Less often? Also, you didn't cover all the issues, just ones that pertained to you. You should be asking "what issue matters most to you", or rank these as a priority. Otherwise your using the "community" to pigeon hole the discussion to just about dropships and ARs this is just a basic thing, seperate from any official decion making so i can better understand the opinions of people rather than what side is the loudest in a thread.
It's called questionnaire bias. |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
11
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:26:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Hey all, To better understand the general community opinion on matters, im going to start doing surveys and then publishing the data so we can perhaps better understand the community. The surveys are completly anonymous and non identifiable, please fill them out and then share it with other people. I may add more questions from time to time, when i do, ill let people know. I'll be very interested to see the results. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KQot5aRmSd3ogJ-oXDxbd4Zj8aWsZYLg0AsdOZ29gEA/viewform
Tho I like the idea, what's stopping anyone from abusing it by retaking it over and over?
Remember, if something can be abused, there will always be people who will try to do so, no matter if its important or not. |
Makyre Vahliha
The White Hawk Knights
142
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:30:00 -
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I am not sure whether or not the survey is for CCP or for her personal use, so it is irrelevant to have her change it. It is hers and not ours. If it was actually CCP's, they would have had her change it the way they want it. Everyone has their own opinion on surveying people and I think it's fine the way it is. |
ManDingoWarrior
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:32:00 -
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http://youtu.be/1DRyRNMDM2g |
Noc Tempre
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1711
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:34:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:I am not sure whether or not the survey is for CCP or for her personal use, so it is irrelevant to have her change it. It is hers and not ours. If it was actually CCP's, they would have had her change it the way they want it. Everyone has their own opinion on surveying people and I think it's fine the way it is.
Actually, there are objectively wrong ways to get other people's opinions. As presented now, the questions are useless for anything but confirmation bias. |
Sontie
Ill Omens
EoN.
446
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Posted - 2013.05.29 06:44:00 -
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Seriously JEnza, delete this survey and use the wording SoCal gave you. It's 10 times better. |
SoCal Ninja
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
57
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Posted - 2013.05.29 06:53:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Seriously JEnza, delete this survey and use the wording SoCal gave you. It's 10 times better.
Heck, Might just make my own surveys that actually try and appropriate a holistic view of the dust player base so that CPMs can actually make the changes the REAL community wants. Or helps address the errors in perception in the community as well.
Already wanting to make a thread about a complete Class redesign and overhaul that is so desperately needed in this game, or i still need to finish my comparison sheet to prove scouts are stupidly underpowered.
Can I get paid for this stuff? |
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
EoN.
64
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Posted - 2013.05.29 07:50:00 -
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You should do a survey on CPMs, community satisfaction with the CPMs, and how soon we would like elections of the CPMs.
That should be the first order of business. You aren't legitimate until elected. |
Warpawn Thanos
HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp
7
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Posted - 2013.05.29 08:12:00 -
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is jenza trying really hard after the AWOXing fiasco? |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
168
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Posted - 2013.05.29 08:40:00 -
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Warpawn Thanos wrote:is jenza trying really hard after the AWOXing fiasco?
Jenza has been clear in what she's been doing. Had it been me, And I've said I'm having a bloody ol time, so sod off. everyone will cry and THAT'S IT. (Buggers think they gonna tell me what to do..) But that's why I'm not CPM.  Tho From what I've hear The Counsel of jedi's in eve gives you guys one word answers, and mostly with two letters. "NO"
At least the girl keeps trying. Yeah, it's not pretty. and yeah she views herself as player first and CPM second. Well then when it comes time to vote.. vote for me. I got one word answers I've been wanting to use.
Sol cal wording and survey is better then Jenza. **** it's better then one I could have made. And also a lot better then some of the cheeky monkeys here could've made. We all human here. move along.
EDIT: really?! I can't say the word Sh$$%t? |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
629
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Posted - 2013.05.29 09:47:00 -
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Not sure what's the value of such surveys. Forum members are a tiny fraction of the playerbase and the responders are a self-selecting sample, which are both big no-nos when it comes to surveys, making any conclusions from it invalid. More importantly, the sample represents the biggest no-lifers in Dust: people who frequent the forums AND have time to fill out surveys. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4067
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:00:00 -
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This survey is surprisingly lacking, I was expecting something more in-depth |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
442
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:03:00 -
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I did the survey, but I think you already have some really strong approval in your other thread for the placeholder suits. As a random sampling of Dust Forum goers/players, I can't recall the last thing that had that much universal acclaim. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
780
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:13:00 -
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Hey, let's all switch the de facto standard of 1 (strongly disagree) and 10 (strongly agree) with the reverse, and then only explain it using a faded out small font text.
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Heidoukan
Forsaken Immortals
Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2013.05.29 10:26:00 -
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Jenza i'm sure we all appreciate your efforts in creating this survey. It looks good and right to the point.
Saying that, what is going to be your sample size for survey analysis ? |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1681
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:36:00 -
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well this was only the first one and its good to see so many replys, dont worry, there will be more in the future and more polished ones :P
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CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
84
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:54:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:Your survey is biased and is presenting multipart questions as a dicadamy. This is a logical fallacy. If I disagree with respects once a year am I disagreeing to have respecs ever? Am I disagreeing that we should have them more often? Less often? Also, you didn't cover all the issues, just ones that pertained to you. You should be asking "what issue matters most to you", or rank these as a priority. Otherwise your using the "community" to pigeon hole the discussion to just about dropships and ARs
it's like this ''how often would you buy music if it was X amount?'' with ''once a year'' being the only option, doesn't really tell you a lot... |
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Heidoukan
Forsaken Immortals
Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:57:00 -
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Jenza,
Can i suggest some questions over a wide range of topics? |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
330
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:59:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:well this was only the first one and its good to see so many replys, dont worry, there will be more in the future and more polished ones :P
Please do pay attention to the previously proposed changes on the question format, because there-¦s a lot of ambiguity.
I-¦m in favor of Awoxing and i don-¦t think it should be harder, i have no opinion on the TAR being OP or not so i hope a 5 will be enough to answer, the skill respec question doesn-¦t scratch the surface of the main reason the skills would want to be respeced (most of the skills are basically SP sink instead of giving some bonus to something like in EVE).
It-¦s an excellent start, but some of the issues need a deeper approach to hit the core of the problems.
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Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
362
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:10:00 -
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Yup definitely a bad survey. Dropsuits and weapons are required questions? I'm a dropship pilot, so yeah, I use a militia medium suit and a militia assault rifle, but that doesn't mean it EVER gets any use. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
346
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:48:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:THIS LOOKS COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE. I AM POSTING MY CREDIT CARD DETAILS IN IT NOW.
Also, your scale of 1-10 with ten being DISAGREE is backwards and will skew your results.
Yup. I, like many humans, don't read, so don't count this at all. If it says "drop ships are OP" then you know not to count these results. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1127
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Posted - 2013.05.29 12:52:00 -
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All these madatory questions for vehicle users about dropsuits and whats our primary gun
My dropsuit is a tank and my gun a large railgun yet i have to answer these dumb questions
Your results are already flawed massively flawed |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1694
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:49:00 -
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this was really mainly a test survey and to clear a few opinion curiosities. i appreciate all of the responses and the next one will be better. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
473
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:02:00 -
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DJINN Zact wrote:I'm disappointing you said AWOXing instead if Jenzaning. Tsk Tsk Tsk.
Nah, AWOXING (if measures are taken to make it harder to do, which is what the poll was asking) will be legitimate metagame. Jenzaing is more like COD metagame. There is no way to make Jenzaing more difficult to do, as by it's very definition is nothing more than child's play difficulty level, and will never be anything more.
It's like trying to change the definition of noob to MLG pro, it just wouldn't work.  |
SoCal Ninja
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
77
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:03:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:this was really mainly a test survey and to clear a few opinion curiosities. i appreciate all of the responses and the next one will be better.
Kinda our point exactly. Don't make the next survey ask about "opinion curiosities" because they way you structured the survey you're getting confirmation bias. I'm sure the next one will be better. Otherwise, I'll be there. And I'll critique it again. But yeah good to see something constructive. Haven't seen anything like it since closed beta. |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
86
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:24:00 -
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I honestly think they should do these either weekly or bi-weekly. Not only that i think CCP should step up and do a week poll as-well on the main login screen or throught the mail system (or make a new tab on neocom). Make the player have incentive to do it (either ISK or Sp reward). This would be a more precise way of gauging the majority player thoughts, instead of the more hardcore players on the forums. Then taking both the forum and the ingame thoughts and seeing what can be done to please both (or somewhat please both) |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1748
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Posted - 2013.05.30 07:30:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:this was really mainly a test survey and to clear a few opinion curiosities. i appreciate all of the responses and the next one will be better.
Wow look, you get special treatment again. You even dodge forum bans. |
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