I see no need for any AR to have over 70 base dps. Thats seem to be the problem to me, with skills it has beastly dps.

You are correct, I meant damage.

I really wonder why CCP thinks they need to reinvent every game mechanic they encounter. This isn't the first time that there's a semi-automatic rifle in a competitive multiplayer game. Just look at how other games did it and go from there. Fewer time spent on design, better result, more time to come up with unique ideas that don't suck.

It's not like it's all that complicated. Frankly CCP shouldn't drastically increase hip fire spread, the gun still needs to work in CQC. Spread increase and a smaller mag is likely to just break it. Which is seems to be SOP around here.

It's not that hard. Range and DPS should have an inverse relationship, as do Alpha and DPS.

High range and high alpha? Lower DPS
High range and higher DPS? Lower Alpha
Low range in general should have higher DPS than high range, regardless of alpha.
Shotguns have high alpha, AR and HMG have high dps, etc etc

TAR's should be able to shoot accurately at range and in CQC. It should pay for it's range with lower DPS. You won't balance it by trashing its CQC ability, you'll break it.

The easiest way to balance the TAR would be to give it stats closer to the breach scrambler pistol. Slow ROF, strong damage. Maybe not quite the damage of the breach, somewhere between the breach and current TAR but with the breach scrambler pistol ROF.

That would balance the gun pretty good. It would lower its DPS and force players to really be careful and skilled in CQ while allowing it to provide its intended role at range.

I wasn't referring to you, Cat. I was talking to CCP when I said "you", and I was referring to this:



I'll bet 5 million ISK they break it.

The viziam out ranges the TAC, to me the range on the TAC should be pulled back some and the ROF dropped just a little. The TAC is OP in my eyes but only by a little bit. A rang buff on the entire LR line to make them reach about 10 meters more than the TAC at the standard level and a very small ROF drop in the TAC would probably be more fun than an AR range nerf.

If the stated fixes don't do what they intend, then before they start adjusting the damage I would recommend that they instead increase the zoom a tad in order to re-enforce its place as a mid-long range weapon making ADS in at close range as iffy as it would be with any 2.5 ACOG.

ADS'ing at close range is already a very bad idea, it lowers your move and strafe speed a lot. People who ADS at short range are easy targets. It's also easy for the opponent to strafe out of the scope since the turn speed is lowered as well.

Easier and better fix would be...

Decrease damage by 33%
Increase optimal 33%
Reduce falloff 66%

TAR balanced.

no becuase it still doesn't fix turbo controllers which are the main problem with the gun. The TAC needs an over heat like the SR tho I would make it over heat to long jam not to burn.

Nice OP.

But the tactical's functionality aiming down scope is exactly how it's meant to function.

A hip fire spread increase will make it significantly harder to use in CQC (which is the main issue).
A rate of fire decrease, that is too dramatic, will put it at a disadvantage vs. other ARs (Burst-Standard) at range.

If the general DPS is the problem. You can hit the damage, OR you can hit the RoF. if you do BOTH, you need to be very moderate.

When I'm assaulting at CQC with it, I hip fire.

If the range for the tac is reduced to be inline with the other ARs, then it should not suffer a hip fire penalty.

You have to think of a caveat for everything you decide to rebalance.

The tac doesn't need to get nerfed, it just needs to be tweaked to do it's role without negating the roles of others.

Cat Merc and everyone else plz check out this thread for further information on Rifles (straight from CCP Remnant)

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81243&p=2


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CCP Remnant - > Posted: 2013.05.28 02:48 |

We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons
A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time.

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