DUST Search - negative wallet = players will quit.

IRuby Heart wrote:

Sleepy Shadow wrote:

OK... Two things. One, yes there might actually be that stupid people out there that after logging in go "weeeeee! Free moneys for me!!" but I see no reason for CCP to worry about them. I am, stupidly, willing to believe they are in the minority.

Two, I assume people bought stuff they would use. So technically it doesn't matter if they go negative. It just means they don't have to buy anything for some time. If they bought enough stuff for 100 fittings they can keep going without any ISK untill those have been used.

If someone spent money they received for no reason on stuff they don't need, then there's no hope for them. Or sympathy for that matter.

Ok....Two things. One, you're an idiot and I'm glad your not a developer. As a company, willingly not caring about a "Minority" of people who play your game is a good way to earn EA Status real quick. Those "Minority" play the game and spend real money on AUR, same as we do.

Two, Do you really think 10,000 players actively visit these forums to know what's up or down? Despite what you may think WE ARE THE MINORITY!

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Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:02:00 - [1] - Quote they cannot address this current ISK problem the same way they do in Eve for this simple reason: YOU CANNOT SELL STUFF IN DUST simple as that. in Eve if I get a negative wallet I can sell stuff I have to get ISK back to zero. There is NO WAY a negative wallet situation could be possible without the ability to resell over stock. then how could you get you wallet back up with stuff missing? we need to be able to sell assets but then this would still create an other problem.. all the loot we have is a fairly big (bigger?) amount of isk... all I am saying here is good luck! and be CAREFUL not to loose the little player base you have.. it's not like there is 1M people playing this game on a saturday night..
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 643	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:04:00 - [2] - Quote Aww, so sad.
Kekklian Noobatronic GoonFeet 61	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:04:00 - [3] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: they cannot treat this current ISK problem the same way they do in Eve for this simple reason: YOU CANNOT SELL STUFF IN DUST simple as that. in Eve if i get a negative wallet i can sell stuff i have to get ISK back to zero. there is NO WAY a negative wallet situation could be possible without the ability to resell over stock. but then this would still create an other problem.. all the loot we have is a fairly big (bigger?) amount of isk... all I am saying here is good luck! and be CAREFUL not to loose the little player base you have.. it's not like there is 1M people playing this game on a saturday night.. Translation: "I spent all the extra money already, and I dont want to be 50M in the hole. I'd better not get punished for my stupidity, CCP!"
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:05:00 - [4] - Quote They just need to do a roll back. That's it!
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote stop bashing the OP i am trying to have a serious discussion here.. and FYI I did not spent any extra isk but I am concern about mindless players that don't even know the forum exist did..
Dr Stabwounds Molon Labe. League of Infamy 41	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:06:00 - [6] - Quote Can I have their stuff?
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:07:00 - [7] - Quote Zekain K wrote: They just need to do a roll back. That's it! roll back the purchases too? what about the stuff we bought today and already spent to win corp battle this morning? rollback the planetary conquest too? change all the battle planning?
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 471	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:07:00 - [8] - Quote It is a fair concern. I haven't spent any of my "free ISK," but I'm sure a lot of casual Dust players out there may have seen it and not thought much of it and started spending. Then they go into negative ISK and have no way to get out besides several weeks of play without being able to buy anything. That is not good. A simple option to resell items to vendors at a set price would help.
Che Cortez Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:07:00 - [9] - Quote It does sound like someone spend isk they shouldn't have, lol I'm more concerned about the people who don't actively use the forums, which is no one here
Aran Abbas GoonFeet 41	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:09:00 - [10] - Quote It's starter fits for you, my friend. Forever!

The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 301	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:12:00 - [11] - Quote Forever.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 320	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:14:00 - [12] - Quote Aran Abbas wrote: It's starter fits for you, my friend. Forever! Can you imagine all the Proto gear vets, going around in Starter fits ..?.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 366	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:14:00 - [13] - Quote Aran Abbas wrote: It's starter fits for you, my friend. Forever! yeah cant you use a starter fit?
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 61	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:15:00 - [14] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Forever. Perfect Sandlot opportunity.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 273	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:19:00 - [15] - Quote enjoy your negative wallet
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:21:00 - [16] - Quote Think of it this way, you wont have to pay for all that stuff you bought. They'll just take it out of your wallet. /popcorn
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 74	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:27:00 - [17] - Quote A roll back would also include all the SP etc that you earned today as well.
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 41	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:29:00 - [18] - Quote again I did not spent the anny isk. I am concern about the experience casual players who don't know the forums exist. they will go WTF negative isk.. uninstall.. this game will be awesome only if there is players playing it. it's kind of like google plus.. even if this game become the best game ever.. having no player base will kill it in the egg
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 13	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:29:00 - [19] - Quote OK... Two things. One, yes there might actually be that stupid people out there that after logging in go "weeeeee! Free moneys for me!!" but I see no reason for CCP to worry about them. I am, stupidly, willing to believe they are in the minority. Two, I assume people bought stuff they would use. So technically it doesn't matter if they go negative. It just means they don't have to buy anything for some time. If they bought enough stuff for 100 fittings they can keep going without any ISK untill those have been used. If someone spent money they received for no reason on stuff they don't need, then there's no hope for them. Or sympathy for that matter.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:35:00 - [20] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: again I did not spent the anny isk. I am concern about the experience casual players who don't know the forums exist. they will go WTF negative isk.. uninstall.. this game will be awesome only if there is players playing it. it's kind of like google plus.. even if this game become the best game ever.. having no player base will kill it in the egg A casual would notice something fishy about having his ISK double or triple after maint. If he spends all of his money, he would still have the goods he bought to use.

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:36:00 - [21] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: Zekain K wrote: They just need to do a roll back. That's it! roll back the purchases too? what about the stuff we bought today and already spent to win corp battle this morning? rollback the planetary conquest too? change all the battle planning? Yup.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 712	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:37:00 - [22] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: OK... Two things. One, yes there might actually be that stupid people out there that after logging in go "weeeeee! Free moneys for me!!" but I see no reason for CCP to worry about them. I am, stupidly, willing to believe they are in the minority. Two, I assume people bought stuff they would use. So technically it doesn't matter if they go negative. It just means they don't have to buy anything for some time. If they bought enough stuff for 100 fittings they can keep going without any ISK untill those have been used. If someone spent money they received for no reason on stuff they don't need, then there's no hope for them. Or sympathy for that matter. Ok....Two things. One, you're an idiot and I'm glad your not a developer. As a company, willingly not caring about a "Minority" of people who play your game is a good way to earn EA Status real quick. Those "Minority" play the game and spend real money on AUR, same as we do. Two, Do you really think 10,000 players actively visit these forums to know what's up or down? Despite what you may think WE ARE THE MINORITY!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 153	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:39:00 - [23] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: OK... Two things. One, yes there might actually be that stupid people out there that after logging in go "weeeeee! Free moneys for me!!" but I see no reason for CCP to worry about them. I am, stupidly, willing to believe they are in the minority. Two, I assume people bought stuff they would use. So technically it doesn't matter if they go negative. It just means they don't have to buy anything for some time. If they bought enough stuff for 100 fittings they can keep going without any ISK untill those have been used. If someone spent money they received for no reason on stuff they don't need, then there's no hope for them. Or sympathy for that matter. Ok....Two things. One, you're an idiot and I'm glad your not a developer. As a company, willingly not caring about a "Minority" of people who play your game is a good way to earn EA Status real quick. Those "Minority" play the game and spend real money on AUR, same as we do. Two, Do you really think 10,000 players actively visit these forums to know what's up or down? Despite what you may think WE ARE THE MINORITY! heh. agree with ruby there. It''s eve players worrying about this. Me? I'm waiting to see how much further this drops the reiviews for this game. every day it keeps getting lower! I've never seen anything like it.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:40:00 - [24] - Quote Its simple. After logging in tomorrow uninformed players will be greeted with a msg stating what went wrong and why they are in zero balance. If players decided to jew away all the isk they haven't earned and will be stuck playing with starter fits, well they will be easier to kill for a while for the guys who didn't .
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 712	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:43:00 - [25] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Its simple. After logging in tomorrow uninformed players will be greeted with a msg stating what went wrong and why they are in zero balance. If players decided to jew away all the isk they haven't earned and will be stuck playing with starter fits, well they will be easier to kill for a while for the guys who didn't . Expect that to cut or player count down by half, then another third a week later from people who can't take being popped on by Duvolle Tac'd Protosuits anymore. If proper matchmaking based on Gear/SP existed then it wouldn't be so bad...
SuperKing BigNuts Contract Hunters 27	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:48:00 - [26] - Quote if theyve maintained any sort of a positive balance, they should know how to make a quick escape from a negative balance. maybe my buffer of 153m makes me thrifty, but i dont feel bad for those who cant understand how to maintain a positive income flow
THE-BEAST Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:13:00 - [27] - Quote No Takesies Backsies
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 166	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:18:00 - [28] - Quote I spent around 15-20 mil of just messing around. Mostly dropships. Guess ill only have around 160 mil...sad
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 505	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:19:00 - [29] - Quote Of course, if you spent all that isk, you have the stuff to get you back up to positive wallet...
Raizor Feddie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 26	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:22:00 - [30] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: EDIT: I DID NOT SPENT MY ISK this is a post for mindless casual that will not understand what is happening. they cannot address this current ISK problem the same way they do in Eve for this simple reason: YOU CANNOT SELL STUFF IN DUST simple as that. in Eve if I get a negative wallet I can sell stuff I have to get ISK back to zero. There is NO WAY a negative wallet situation could be possible without the ability to resell over stock. then how could you get you wallet back up with stuff missing? we need to be able to sell assets but then this would still create an other problem.. all the loot we have is a fairly big (bigger?) amount of isk... all I am saying here is good luck! and be CAREFUL not to loose the little player base you have.. it's not like there is 1M people playing this game on a saturday night.. You're so bad. You wasted your money. You want a bail out. People like you make me happy I don't live in America anymore.

SuperKing BigNuts Contract Hunters 29	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:37:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Of course, if you spent all that isk, you have the stuff to get you back up to positive wallet... i laugh at that logic, it would have taken something like 1,000 proto loadouts to burn my isk to end up negative, assuming i could actually use a proto suit and fit it out to at or around 150k/loadout now assuming everyone else burned their isk on shiny proto suits and advanced tanks and the such, that are relatively easily destroyed compared to their price... some people would be lucky to limp out of the negatives with anything higher than militia but those who do manage to claw their ways out i would expect to have become considerably more proficient after having been forced to use lower tiers of gear for a while those who biomass or delete the client for being negative after running out of protoloot... well i wont stop them, but they arent cut for the harshness of new eden if its that easy to deter them
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 13	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:23:00 - [32] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: OK... Two things. One, yes there might actually be that stupid people out there that after logging in go "weeeeee! Free moneys for me!!" but I see no reason for CCP to worry about them. I am, stupidly, willing to believe they are in the minority. Two, I assume people bought stuff they would use. So technically it doesn't matter if they go negative. It just means they don't have to buy anything for some time. If they bought enough stuff for 100 fittings they can keep going without any ISK untill those have been used. If someone spent money they received for no reason on stuff they don't need, then there's no hope for them. Or sympathy for that matter. Ok....Two things. One, you're an idiot and I'm glad your not a developer. As a company, willingly not caring about a "Minority" of people who play your game is a good way to earn EA Status real quick. Those "Minority" play the game and spend real money on AUR, same as we do. Two, Do you really think 10,000 players actively visit these forums to know what's up or down? Despite what you may think WE ARE THE MINORITY! Have you given any thought on the consequences of not taking back the ISK just because a minority were not able to comprehend the situation? Complications in PC come to mindGÇª And on top of that people would be able to spam Protosuits in pubmatches like thereGÇÖs no tomorrow. If I suddenly have an extra 100mil I donGÇÖt have anything to lose, do I? How do think that would affect the player base? How long do you think academy freshmen will have DUST on their hard drives when there's protosuits as far as the eye can see? And 10,000 people donGÇÖt have to come here to see something is wrong. The only people who would not understand the situation at hand would be those that have not logged on to their account for a while (as in not remembering how much they had). If someone goes negative because they just had to spend all of their ISK IGÇÖm sure they can submit a ticket and request CCP reset all the items they have in their inventory.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:24:00 - [33] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: EDIT: I DID NOT SPENT MY ISK this is a post for mindless casual that will not understand what is happening. they cannot address this current ISK problem the same way they do in Eve for this simple reason: YOU CANNOT SELL STUFF IN DUST simple as that. in Eve if I get a negative wallet I can sell stuff I have to get ISK back to zero. There is NO WAY a negative wallet situation could be possible without the ability to resell over stock. then how could you get you wallet back up with stuff missing? we need to be able to sell assets but then this would still create an other problem.. all the loot we have is a fairly big (bigger?) amount of isk... all I am saying here is good luck! and be CAREFUL not to loose the little player base you have.. it's not like there is 1M people playing this game on a saturday night.. if ISK is such a problem how about stop attacking yourself in PC to lock it up?
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 154	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:26:00 - [34] - Quote FINE. I guess I'll end this topic now. I'll fix this.. Takes out wallet


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