DUST Search - Grief Univesity Guest Lecture by Lowratehitman From GWI vs L.O.T.I.S. Battle

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Moronic Farce wrote:

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

(BTW the Muslim Brotherhood is recruiting, G-Uni should give them a call. It's right up G-Uni's alley in terms of career paths and ideologies).

Yep griefing in a video game is exactly the same thing as creating Hammas.
I know this is the internet and everyone on it is prone to exaggeration but come on, real people die in acts of terror the only thing happening here is a few extra lives in a video game get wasted just stop it all of you.

It's not as different as you might think. Look past the surface into the psychological aspects and analyze why G-Uni gets such pleasure from others misery, and what kind of mindset it requires. Maybe they don't realize how this affects the community and the people they are doing it to, but maybe they do and simply get a rise from the agony of others (pretty sure the latter is the corp policy of G-Uni).

To say this doesn't reflect directly on RL morality is denying the truth. It is a despicable act that is significantly harming the community and is affecting real people in a very negative way. To get pleasure from that would require a unique kind of personality and set of morals.

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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 471	Posted - 2013.05.29 06:41:00 - [31] - Quote Moronic Farce wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: (BTW the Muslim Brotherhood is recruiting, G-Uni should give them a call. It's right up G-Uni's alley in terms of career paths and ideologies). Yep griefing in a video game is exactly the same thing as creating Hammas. I know this is the internet and everyone on it is prone to exaggeration but come on, real people die in acts of terror the only thing happening here is a few extra lives in a video game get wasted just stop it all of you. It's not as different as you might think. Look past the surface into the psychological aspects and analyze why G-Uni gets such pleasure from others misery, and what kind of mindset it requires. Maybe they don't realize how this affects the community and the people they are doing it to, but maybe they do and simply get a rise from the agony of others (pretty sure the latter is the corp policy of G-Uni). To say this doesn't reflect directly on RL morality is denying the truth. It is a despicable act that is significantly harming the community and is affecting real people in a very negative way. To get pleasure from that would require a unique kind of personality and set of morals.
Moronic Farce GoonFeet 18	Posted - 2013.05.29 07:54:00 - [32] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: It's not as different as you might think. Look past the surface into the psychological aspects and analyze why G-Uni gets such pleasure from others misery, and what kind of mindset it requires. Maybe they don't realize how this affects the community and the people they are doing it to, but maybe they do and simply get a rise from the agony of others (pretty sure the latter is the corp policy of G-Uni). To say this doesn't reflect directly on RL morality is denying the truth. It is a despicable act that is significantly harming the community and is affecting real people in a very negative way. To get pleasure from that would require a unique kind of personality and set of morals. If your really trying and make a case that greifing in a video game is akin to really killing people in terror attacks because they both cause agony to others I honestly think your mentally ill. Forget the armchair psychiatrist act and really ask yourself if even a small part of you actually thinks real world acts of terror are comparable to people who are playing a video game the "wrong way". If the answer is yes then you either take video game seriously to a disturbing degree, or you are a sociopath.
Dexter Peabody GoonFeet 56	Posted - 2013.05.29 09:53:00 - [33] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Moronic Farce wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: (BTW the Muslim Brotherhood is recruiting, G-Uni should give them a call. It's right up G-Uni's alley in terms of career paths and ideologies). Yep griefing in a video game is exactly the same thing as creating Hammas. I know this is the internet and everyone on it is prone to exaggeration but come on, real people die in acts of terror the only thing happening here is a few extra lives in a video game get wasted just stop it all of you. It's not as different as you might think. Look past the surface into the psychological aspects and analyze why G-Uni gets such pleasure from others misery, and what kind of mindset it requires. Maybe they don't realize how this affects the community and the people they are doing it to, but maybe they do and simply get a rise from the agony of others (pretty sure the latter is the corp policy of G-Uni). To say this doesn't reflect directly on RL morality is denying the truth. It is a despicable act that is significantly harming the community and is affecting real people in a very negative way. To get pleasure from that would require a unique kind of personality and set of morals. AWOXING IS TERRORISM
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 512	Posted - 2013.05.29 09:59:00 - [34] - Quote I thought Grief University is just a ploy to gain a cultural victory in Dust. Lowratehitman lecturing in there is a very interesting pick and grab, makes me double check my paranoid view of the alliances :)
Abu Stij GoonFeet 125	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:30:00 - [35] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: That is about the worst audio recording I have ever heard, can't understand what anybody is saying about 90% of the time. Couldn't even get past 10 mins, I just wait till lowrate uploads to youtube. But yeah, lowrate is a person who is trying to build Dust up by posting helpful youtube vids, getting the word out, and recruiting new players. Then there is G-Uni and other PC AWOXERS, actively trying to destroy the game and getting enjoyment from other peoples misery (BTW the Muslim Brotherhood is recruiting, G-Uni should give them a call. It's right up G-Uni's alley in terms of career paths and ideologies). I don't see how they are "actively trying to destroy the game" at all. That's like saying any AWOXing, scamming, shutting down an entire alliance during The Great War from the inside in EVE is actively trying to do the same. They're playing the game with the tools CCP gave and who said "this is a thing we want to happen." The Grief U guys also have gone out and said "hey, this is too easy and you should probably fix it so its more balanced." I would call that being more so bug hunters than anything, but I'm not a QA person so maybe it isn't. And don't get me started on you trying to compare a terrorist group to a bunch of guys in a video game, that's fairly indicative of your immature and childish view on life. trollsroyce wrote: I thought Grief University is just a ploy to gain a cultural victory in Dust. Lowratehitman lecturing in there is a very interesting pick and grab, makes me double check my paranoid view of the alliances :) EDIT: GU agenda has been completely in line with GS-N-FF, goon press is backing GU and it looks very much like an asset to get potential students to further N-F on the map indirectly. Are goons in this with TEST? Oh the juicy paranoia and conspiracies :D I should get better sources than forums. What's GS-N-FF precious? And I'm pretty sure Goons have always supported AWOXing and playing outside the imaginary lines people drew. Most of the Goons in this thread are arguing against a blatantly dumb statement about terrorism because, well, some of our EVE-side friends sort of know the effects of what a terrorist act is as opposed to some console kiddie who thinks he's an e-psychiatrist.
Charizard Zakalwe GoonFeet 50	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:53:00 - [36] - Quote The people stating that AWOXing is some similar at all to terrorism should really be removed from the forums, even if only for a period time. The people outright stating it requires some sort of mental illness should be flatly banned from the forums, if not the game.
Eltra Ardell GoonFeet 133	Posted - 2013.05.29 16:25:00 - [37] - Quote I do find it interesting that those attempting to claim the moral high ground are the ones suggesting violent, real-life actions (suicide, I hope you get blah'd, etc.), using "real life" insults (I bet you're all bratty kids, get a life, etc.), and equating GU with real life tragedies in which tens, hundreds, or thousands died. Seriously, you need to rethink your life if you believe losing your pixels in a space shooting game is the equivalent of civilians and soldiers alike losing their lives in suicide bombings, drone strikes, and/or terrorist attacks. No sane and logical person would ever make the claim that these things are even on the same scale. You're suggesting GU actively ends the lives of real, breathing people. If that's true, then you better have some damned good evidence to back that up and be ready to call the police on them.
Thousandth Son Grief University 17	Posted - 2013.05.29 17:39:00 - [38] - Quote CookieStein wrote: Lol biggest tongue-in-cheek post ever. I am to please. Rhorian Darkstar wrote: Grief uni Do not = spy's . Grief Uni = terrorst's. they both want want 15 mins of fame before be blown up > How are we terrorists? That makes no sense and I think you don't understand what the word means. DJINN leukoplast wrote: That is about the worst audio recording I have ever heard, can't understand what anybody is saying about 90% of the time. Couldn't even get past 10 mins, I just wait till lowrate uploads to youtube. But yeah, lowrate is a person who is trying to build Dust up by posting helpful youtube vids, getting the word out, and recruiting new players. Then there is G-Uni and other PC AWOXERS, actively trying to destroy the game and getting enjoyment from other peoples misery (Snipped political attacks - CCP Eterne). You didn't read the part where I said "this is a bad audio recording" did you? Also I look forward to lowratehitman posting his lecture, it was quite a treat. We're also far from trying to "destroy the game" as you so melodramatically put it, we are what CCP needs. Bug testers. We found a loophole and pointed out how easy it can be to take advantage of it, CCP is fixing it. That's a good thing for the game. Making silly videos to try and make money off people isn't that helpful to the community when you insult fellow players. We never insulted anyone nor attacked anyone. We leave that for people like you to do. Oh and thank you CCP Eterne for removing a personal attack onto the members of Grief University.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1911	Posted - 2013.05.29 19:11:00 - [39] - Quote Much as I think grief university should spend all its ISK on quafe then drown themselves in it for trying to place the blame on us, the fact of the matter is that they haved proved that awoxing is far too easy right now, and due to actions like theirs measures are now being put in place to make awoxing harder and to make it require effort. I for one am interested in seeing how they deal with the new kick and ban feature.
Abu Stij GoonFeet 126	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:24:00 - [40] - Quote gbghg wrote: Much as I think grief university should spend all its ISK on quafe then drown themselves in it for trying to place the blame on us, the fact of the matter is that they haved proved that awoxing is far too easy right now, and due to actions like theirs measures are now being put in place to make awoxing harder and to make it require effort. I for one am interested in seeing how they deal with the new kick and ban feature. As some people have learned, telling others to go kill themselves will only lead to a ban. You should probably take not of that.

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1913	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:43:00 - [41] - Quote Abu Stij wrote: gbghg wrote: Much as I think grief university should spend all its ISK on quafe then drown themselves in it for trying to place the blame on us, the fact of the matter is that they haved proved that awoxing is far too easy right now, and due to actions like theirs measures are now being put in place to make awoxing harder and to make it require effort. I for one am interested in seeing how they deal with the new kick and ban feature. As some people have learned, telling others to go kill themselves will only lead to a ban. You should probably take note of that. I didn't tell anyone to kill themselves, particularly since I said quafe (which only exists in new Eden), they would have a hard time doing it.
Tien TheSecond Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 376	Posted - 2013.05.29 20:55:00 - [42] - Quote Thousandth Son wrote: gbghg wrote: Just going to put this here Contrary to what is said in the audio clip L.O.T.I.S. did not hire grief uni, for the quite simple reason that we have no need too and it goes against our corp's principles. Ever hear of "Plausible Deniability"? Can you demonstrate a "propensity to commit"?


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