DUST Search - [Request] OPEN PLAYER MARKET

Lilah Silverstone wrote:

Draco Cerberus wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Sorry, but if an economist says that Dust is not ready yet, then who are you to say they should hurry up?

A faithful client who has been here since the beginning Maken, also a former indy/missioner who knows the cost of every suit I use. I calculate and spreadsheet and make use of what I know from Eve to attempt to make my LogiBro fit as economical as possible to make more isk rather than lose it. ATM we are all missing something big from Dust that would benefit us greatly.

I've never said hurry up, but rather I have urged for a sooner rather than later approach to this feature. I like the idea of a Dust market separate from the Eve market to start so the joining could be a stable process but I am concerned when with each release nothing is said about how soon we can expect this and why it is used as a selling feature in the media about the game but as of yet is not implemented.

I would settle for an ability to sell stuff to the NPC market, but would rather see player to player trading.

Economies of this scale require a gentle touch. Later rather than sooner is better here because CCP will be attempting to shape a stable 10 year old economy for the first time since its creation.

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Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 64	Posted - 2013.05.27 13:51:00 - [1] - Quote To respec into another suit type or not that is the question. For many people the respec is a way to fix a mistake in choosing a suit or weapon to use for their playstyle. With all the excess gear that will be in player's assets I ask that the player market be opened for business. To be able to contribute to a developed eve economy and be part of the One Universe more fully we need the ability to sell stuff like salvage and stuff we don't want to use anymore. A reminder to everyone that the market includes buy orders, sell order, trade and contract purchases in eve online and should reflect that in dust as well.
Radioship Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 72	Posted - 2013.05.27 14:23:00 - [2] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: To respec into another suit type or not that is the question. For many people the respec is a way to fix a mistake in choosing a suit or weapon to use for their playstyle. With all the excess gear that will be in player's assets I ask that the player market be opened for business. To be able to contribute to a developed eve economy and be part of the One Universe more fully we need the ability to sell stuff like salvage and stuff we don't want to use anymore. A reminder to everyone that the market includes buy orders, sell order, trade and contract purchases in eve online and should reflect that in dust as well. Pretty much this is subject for futher expansions due to massive amount of work that has to be done on both sides (EVE:DUST). Don't expect this earlier than summer 2014 expansion. Theres a slight "might be" that CCP open direct trading between DUST players, without EVE involved at winter expansion, but i realy realy doubt it.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 68	Posted - 2013.05.29 23:57:00 - [3] - Quote I could handle having it at winter expansion and would really enjoy the influx of isk from market trading. The liquidation of assets from last build added a large enough pile of isk that I can see already that assets worth hundreds of millions could be a terrible thing to pile up and then liquidate when it does become available as the market would have way too many items on it at a cheap price for it to stabilize in a short time not to mention the eve pilots taking advantage of the market to buy up even the most expensive of our gear and selling it back at extortion-like prices. On the whole though I expect CCP to release the BPOs of suits to capsuleers before opening the market, they have said they want eve to manufacture for dust. Hopefully the BPO seeding happens this summer.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 161	Posted - 2013.05.30 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote +1 Read post by CCP Nothin on merging DUST market with EVE https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870150#post870150 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870455#post870455 He is an economist at CCP
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 14:56:00 - [5] - Quote Bumping for an open market, be it a separate Dust to Dust market or a Eve/Dust market. Give us the goods please.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2506	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:00:00 - [6] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: +1 Read post by CCP Nothin on merging DUST market with EVE https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870150#post870150 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870455#post870455 He is an economist at CCP This. All of your questions and concerns are addressed by this post alone.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:00:00 - [7] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: +1 Read post by CCP Nothin on merging DUST market with EVE https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870150#post870150 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870455#post870455 He is an economist at CCP I read it and have issues with the time frame for the implementation of the market. Dust has been released and as such is on the world stage, where is the inter-connectivity? We are in a persistent universe but the only persistence that most players enjoy is the completely stable NPC market. I don't want to wait another year to get rid of all the stuff that is accumulating in my hanger on a daily basis. I have no questions, only the desire to see this done in a timely fashion. Dust a little over a year old now and as such has experienced many changes that have both benefited Dust and made the gameplay more rewarding. Unfortunately, isk payouts from pub matches, the main way most players make isk, has not increased nor has the cost of fitting suits gone down for average advanced fit players. Many many mercs are using gear skilled into with time and patience and deserve to be able to use something other than militia blueprint suits to make isk.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2506	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:15:00 - [8] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: +1 Read post by CCP Nothin on merging DUST market with EVE https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870150#post870150 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=870455#post870455 He is an economist at CCP I read it and have issues with the time frame for the implementation of the market. Dust has been released and as such is on the world stage, where is the inter-connectivity? We are in a persistent universe but the only persistence that most players enjoy is the completely stable NPC market. I don't want to wait another year to get rid of all the stuff that is accumulating in my hanger on a daily basis. I have no questions, only the desire to see this done in a timely fashion. Dust is a little over a year old now and as such has experienced many changes that have both benefited Dust and made the gameplay more rewarding. Unfortunately, isk payouts from pub matches, the main way most players make isk, has not increased nor has the cost of fitting suits gone down for average advanced fit players. Many many mercs are using gear skilled into with time and patience and deserve to be able to use something other than militia blueprint suits to make isk. Sorry, but if an economist says that Dust is not ready yet, then who are you to say they should hurry up?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 15:41:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Sorry, but if an economist says that Dust is not ready yet, then who are you to say they should hurry up? A faithful client who has been here since the beginning Maken, also a former indy/missioner who knows the cost of every suit I use. I calculate and spreadsheet and make use of what I know from Eve to attempt to make my LogiBro fit as economical as possible to make more isk rather than lose it. ATM we are all missing something big from Dust that would benefit us greatly. I've never said hurry up, but rather I have urged for a sooner rather than later approach to this feature. I like the idea of a Dust market separate from the Eve market to start so the joining could be a stable process but I am concerned when with each release nothing is said about how soon we can expect this and why it is used as a selling feature in the media about the game but as of yet is not implemented. I would settle for an ability to sell stuff to the NPC market, but would rather see player to player trading.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2507	Posted - 2013.06.01 16:05:00 - [10] - Quote Player-to-player trade windows like you see in Eve are something I like to see implemented soon as well so long as CCP doesn't repeat that mistake they made during closed beta when Eve players were able to give ISK to Dust mercs because CCP accidentally flipped the switch during the initial merging of Dust and Eve players.

Lilah Silverstone The Arrow Project 51	Posted - 2013.06.01 16:10:00 - [11] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Sorry, but if an economist says that Dust is not ready yet, then who are you to say they should hurry up? A faithful client who has been here since the beginning Maken, also a former indy/missioner who knows the cost of every suit I use. I calculate and spreadsheet and make use of what I know from Eve to attempt to make my LogiBro fit as economical as possible to make more isk rather than lose it. ATM we are all missing something big from Dust that would benefit us greatly. I've never said hurry up, but rather I have urged for a sooner rather than later approach to this feature. I like the idea of a Dust market separate from the Eve market to start so the joining could be a stable process but I am concerned when with each release nothing is said about how soon we can expect this and why it is used as a selling feature in the media about the game but as of yet is not implemented. I would settle for an ability to sell stuff to the NPC market, but would rather see player to player trading. Economies of this scale require a gentle touch. Later rather than sooner is better here because CCP will be attempting to shape a stable 10 year old economy for the first time since its creation.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2507	Posted - 2013.06.01 16:17:00 - [12] - Quote Lilah Silverstone wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Sorry, but if an economist says that Dust is not ready yet, then who are you to say they should hurry up? A faithful client who has been here since the beginning Maken, also a former indy/missioner who knows the cost of every suit I use. I calculate and spreadsheet and make use of what I know from Eve to attempt to make my LogiBro fit as economical as possible to make more isk rather than lose it. ATM we are all missing something big from Dust that would benefit us greatly. I've never said hurry up, but rather I have urged for a sooner rather than later approach to this feature. I like the idea of a Dust market separate from the Eve market to start so the joining could be a stable process but I am concerned when with each release nothing is said about how soon we can expect this and why it is used as a selling feature in the media about the game but as of yet is not implemented. I would settle for an ability to sell stuff to the NPC market, but would rather see player to player trading. Economies of this scale require a gentle touch. Later rather than sooner is better here because CCP will be attempting to shape a stable 10 year old economy for the first time since its creation. "Do you have any idea how complicated your circulatory system is?" - Jehovah, scream down at Peter Griffin in Family Guy
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 16:28:00 - [13] - Quote I agree a gentle touch is required. What I've been proposing could be implemented in steps, not all at once. I support doing this in a stable manner rather than BOOM here you go. That said I would like to have some small steps made rather than no steps at all to start some manner of player market. Research is all fine and good but a year's worth of research has thus far only brought us gear that is priced by skill level equivalent across classes and weapon and suit type. This seems like it should have been something that was implemented in the initial closed beta rather than during the Uprising release. Now that we have a baseline for gear prices I expect that in the next 6 months we should have a trade, sell or build process to experiment with. Currently the only sell process in game is the sale of clones (forced) to genoloution by PC corporations, no player to player or corp to corp. One step at a time.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 16:33:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: "Do you have any idea how complicated your circulatory system is?" - Jehovah, scream down at Peter Griffin in Family Guy LOL! U mad bro? I just want to sell stuff, don't you?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 77	Posted - 2013.06.01 16:40:00 - [15] - Quote Starter pack $10 Merc pack $20 Merc Vet Pack $50 Merc Elite Pack $100 Being able to sell assets PRICELESS Please CCP.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:01:00 - [16] - Quote Bump and thump a lump is a bump and hopefully all those lumps and bumps don't fill my hanger.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1086	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:10:00 - [17] - Quote I'd love to see the player market open. That said it is on the top of the heap for things to be added (as I understand it) and is a sophisticated enough system that we won't see it with a hotfix which means next build is the earliest plausible release date. And CCP is already estimating a release either next build or the one after. [Note: the above is for secondary market not full EVE/Dust economic merge]. 0.02 ISK Cross
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 8	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:36:00 - [18] - Quote Heck I wouldn't even mind having corporation assets that mercs could give to and pull from
PHANTOM HUNTER05 Straight-Silvers 0	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:26:00 - [19] - Quote It would be great to be able to sell back suits we dont need or use. Same with weapons and vehicles. Atleast a halfback option or w/e


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