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joshua walcott
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:26:00 -
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ive been playing dust for roughly two and a half months,while i read the forums i realised somthing. most ppl dont know they are other weapons in game and decide that if an AR cant kill it nerf it. not every1 wants to bunny hop and spray bullets around i personally prefer to snipe.if u want to kill vehicles spec into av and dont whine because ur ARs cant kill them,they not supposed 2. |
Vaux Karn
The Mercenary Collective
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:42:00 -
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+1 for someone who understands the system. Just a heads up though...you double posted. Though I am against nerfing for butt hurt people who just don't like dying, I will say there are some nerfs and buffs needed for balance. Those who are ooenly debating (debate means discussing both sides of the issue) the balancing of content are legitimate.
Edit: my +1 does not appear to be working right now, so I will have to give it to you at a later point in time. |
TBdaBoss
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.05.26 16:50:00 -
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Thank you. Each weapon sports its own purpose, and most nerfers are just crying because they are on the wrong end of someone using their gun correctly. "What's that? You got killed at 50 meters by a guy with a TAC, when you were trying to kill him with a basic assault rifle? That's too bad." the only argument against a gun like the TAC is that hipfire accuracy is too good. So stop calling for a nerf to the range, damage, and RoF. The only weapon that was truly out of control was the pre-Uprising Laser Rifle. Just play to your weapon's strengths. |
General John Ripper
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Posted - 2013.05.26 16:53:00 -
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lol posted in the wrong post somehow... |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.26 20:55:00 -
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killing the range on the ar was a stupid move.
it was done because the sissies with their protoad gear got beat by "noobs" with militia ars
they thought it was the gun
it was the players
now the guns are nerfed and the game sucks just that much more.
ncie job folks, you sissies are killin this game just like you killed the last one.
nice job
Peace B |
Full Metal Kitten
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:28:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:killing the range on the ar was a stupid move. [...] it was done because the sissies with their protoad gear got beat by "noobs" with militia ar No, it wasn't.
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:42:00 -
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TBdaBoss wrote:Thank you. Each weapon sports its own purpose, and most nerfers are just crying because they are on the wrong end of someone using their gun correctly. "What's that? You got killed at 50 meters by a guy with a TAC, when you were trying to kill him with a basic assault rifle? That's too bad." the only argument against a gun like the TAC is that hipfire accuracy is too good. So stop calling for a nerf to the range, damage, and RoF. The only weapon that was truly out of control was the pre-Uprising Laser Rifle. Just play to your weapon's strengths.
The TAC does need to be addressed, look at the description for the breach AR and the TAC. The TAC is supposed to be medium damage and the breach is supposed to be High damage with low RoF but the duvolle tac does 20 more damage than the Creodron not to mention the creodron has no range. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:44:00 -
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joshua walcott wrote:ive been playing dust for roughly two and a half months,while i read the forums i realised somthing. most ppl dont know they are other weapons in game and decide that if an AR cant kill it nerf it. not every1 wants to bunny hop and spray bullets around i personally prefer to snipe.if u want to kill vehicles spec into av and dont whine because ur ARs cant kill them,they not supposed 2.
The problem with the AR in this build is you are just having to Spray and Pray 7-10. When I kill the experienced Scout players I am not even hitting them I am missing completely and WAAY off but I get the kill, lol! |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:52:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:joshua walcott wrote:ive been playing dust for roughly two and a half months,while i read the forums i realised somthing. most ppl dont know they are other weapons in game and decide that if an AR cant kill it nerf it. not every1 wants to bunny hop and spray bullets around i personally prefer to snipe.if u want to kill vehicles spec into av and dont whine because ur ARs cant kill them,they not supposed 2. The problem with the AR in this build is you are just having to Spray and Pray 7-10. When I kill the experienced Scout players I am not even hitting them I am missing completely and WAAY off but I get the kill, lol! Actually, I have firsthand experience to know that scouts hate fully-automatic inaccurate weapons. I feel more safe going after a gun that shoots perfectly straight than an HMG that's firing in a cone. I can't dodge a cone.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:54:00 -
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To the op - if other weapons worked well enough then nobody would care about the AR.
And the reason you are fine is because like you said you snipe. Sniper Rifles work and more importantly for you - they out range AR's by a ton. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 00:57:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:joshua walcott wrote:ive been playing dust for roughly two and a half months,while i read the forums i realised somthing. most ppl dont know they are other weapons in game and decide that if an AR cant kill it nerf it. not every1 wants to bunny hop and spray bullets around i personally prefer to snipe.if u want to kill vehicles spec into av and dont whine because ur ARs cant kill them,they not supposed 2. The problem with the AR in this build is you are just having to Spray and Pray 7-10. When I kill the experienced Scout players I am not even hitting them I am missing completely and WAAY off but I get the kill, lol! Actually, I have firsthand experience to know that scouts hate fully-automatic inaccurate weapons. I feel more safe going after a gun that shoots perfectly straight than an HMG that's firing in a cone. I can't dodge a cone.
Well the reason why HMG kill Scouts is because it shoots so fast once the real body is tracked it's dead. It shoots at such a rapid speed you can't avoid the ROF. AR isn't as fast ROF so Scouts can be fast and get away because it is almost impossible for AR to hit fast scouts.
Which is why if this isn't a flaw in the game and I am starting to think it's not. CCP is implementing Rock Paper Scissor or (Holy Trinity) system into their "MMO" Most MMOs have the holy trinity system. Tank, DPS, Healer.
Here you have Heavy>Light Light>Medium Medium>Heavy
This doesn't mean other roles can't beat others but I am starting to think they purposely made the aim like this to implement Holy Trinity. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:39:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Which is why if this isn't a flaw in the game and I am starting to think it's not. CCP is implementing Rock Paper Scissor or (Holy Trinity) system into their "MMO" Most MMOs have the holy trinity system. Tank, DPS, Healer.
Here you have Heavy>Light Light>Medium Medium>Heavy
This doesn't mean other roles can't beat others but I am starting to think they purposely made the aim like this to implement Holy Trinity.
I don't think so, everything has their pros and cons against eachother.
If a scout is too close to, or too far away from a heavy, the heavy is screwed. However, if the scout moves into mid range (ie, a shotgun/knife scout sprinting at the heavy), the heavy has the chance to kill the scout. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:47:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:joshua walcott wrote:ive been playing dust for roughly two and a half months,while i read the forums i realised somthing. most ppl dont know they are other weapons in game and decide that if an AR cant kill it nerf it. not every1 wants to bunny hop and spray bullets around i personally prefer to snipe.if u want to kill vehicles spec into av and dont whine because ur ARs cant kill them,they not supposed 2. The problem with the AR in this build is you are just having to Spray and Pray 7-10. When I kill the experienced Scout players I am not even hitting them I am missing completely and WAAY off but I get the kill, lol! Actually, I have firsthand experience to know that scouts hate fully-automatic inaccurate weapons. I feel more safe going after a gun that shoots perfectly straight than an HMG that's firing in a cone. I can't dodge a cone. This doesn't mean other roles can't beat others.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:49:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:joshua walcott wrote:ive been playing dust for roughly two and a half months,while i read the forums i realised somthing. most ppl dont know they are other weapons in game and decide that if an AR cant kill it nerf it. not every1 wants to bunny hop and spray bullets around i personally prefer to snipe.if u want to kill vehicles spec into av and dont whine because ur ARs cant kill them,they not supposed 2. The problem with the AR in this build is you are just having to Spray and Pray 7-10. When I kill the experienced Scout players I am not even hitting them I am missing completely and WAAY off but I get the kill, lol! Actually, I have firsthand experience to know that scouts hate fully-automatic inaccurate weapons. I feel more safe going after a gun that shoots perfectly straight than an HMG that's firing in a cone. I can't dodge a cone. This doesn't mean other roles can't beat others. What I'm saying is that scouts consistently beat heavies. If anything, the actual rock/paper/scissors thing you've shown is backwards. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:58:00 -
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Most scouts are running Knives and Shotgun. Therefore that would be why it plays into Heavies strength of strong rapid fire CqC. Scouts that run AR build would be the exception saying "This doesn't mean other roles can't beat others."
Scouts in CqC gunfights with the Assault class would prove greatly difficult as they are so fast you have to spray and pray. In long range however the Medium has the advantage over the Light because when trading dmg the Medium has more health and will outlast the light in long range combat.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:15:00 -
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I have experience in these situations as a scout. Heavies don't move quickly enough to deal with a scout in melee range. Assaults do. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:29:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I have experience in these situations as a scout. Heavies don't move quickly enough to deal with a scout in melee range. Assaults do.
To get close to a heavy that close to melee him you have to sneak attack him. In the case of catching a enemy off gaurd ANYTHING can kill ANYTHING which is why catching a enemy off guard is so effective. To say you just run at heavies and own them with Melee all the time you are clearly playing against the worlds biggest idiots, OR just catching Heavies off guard. I can promise you if you try to fight a heavy (FIGHT not catch one off guard) You will get lit up. Meaning I have 100M Isk that Cubs would beat you at least 7-10 times in a confrontation Melee vs Heavy I would even give you some help and let you use Nova/Shotgun. He would still beat you. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:33:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I have experience in these situations as a scout. Heavies don't move quickly enough to deal with a scout in melee range. Assaults do. To get close to a heavy that close to melee him you have to sneak attack him. In the case of catching a enemy off gaurd ANYTHING can kill ANYTHING which is why catching a enemy off guard is so effective. To say you just run at heavies and own them with Melee all the time you are clearly playing against the worlds biggest idiots, OR just catching Heavies off guard. I can promise you if you try to fight a heavy (FIGHT not catch one off guard) You will get lit up. Meaning I have 100M Isk that Cubs would beat you at least 7-10 times in a confrontation Melee vs Heavy I would even give you some help and let you use Nova/Shotgun. He would still beat you. I catch them off guard, but still more easily than assaults.
Heavies are easier to sneak up on for 2 reasons. They have the worst scanning stats, and they're usually cocky and don't watch their back. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:35:00 -
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But you don't necessarily need to catch them completely off guard either. Just take them around a corner. If they're taking the corner wide (the smart move) you can still usually sprint up to them and get behind them before they can react. Once you get behind them, it's easy to stay like that because scouts are REALLY fast this build. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:35:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I have experience in these situations as a scout. Heavies don't move quickly enough to deal with a scout in melee range. Assaults do. To get close to a heavy that close to melee him you have to sneak attack him. In the case of catching a enemy off gaurd ANYTHING can kill ANYTHING which is why catching a enemy off guard is so effective. To say you just run at heavies and own them with Melee all the time you are clearly playing against the worlds biggest idiots, OR just catching Heavies off guard. I can promise you if you try to fight a heavy (FIGHT not catch one off guard) You will get lit up. Meaning I have 100M Isk that Cubs would beat you at least 7-10 times in a confrontation Melee vs Heavy I would even give you some help and let you use Nova/Shotgun. He would still beat you. I catch them off guard, but still more easily than assaults. Heavies are easier to sneak up on for 2 reasons. They have the worst scanning stats, and they're usually cocky and don't watch their back.
So than that makes your argument flawed... You are trying to say Light beats Heavy because you can catch them off guard? Lol you can do the same to medium medium can catch light off guard anything can catch anything off guard. So to make a argument that something is better by catching enemies off guard as your main logic is invalid.... |
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Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:42:00 -
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Sadly the part in the OP about most people thinking the AR should kill anything is true I made an alt to play with tanks and the amount of people who will stand shooting at a HAV with an AR is simply incredible, even got hatemail from one guy because he put 3 clips into my HAV and didn't even take out my shields so I was obviously glitching and he was reporting me. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:44:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Sadly the part in the OP about most people thinking the AR should kill anything is true I made an alt to play with tanks and the amount of people who will stand shooting at a HAV with an AR is simply incredible, even got hatemail from one guy because he put 3 clips into my HAV and didn't even take out my shields so I was obviously glitching and he was reporting me.
I will if they have no health. A few time's I have taken out LAV or Tank with AR |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:50:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Sadly the part in the OP about most people thinking the AR should kill anything is true I made an alt to play with tanks and the amount of people who will stand shooting at a HAV with an AR is simply incredible, even got hatemail from one guy because he put 3 clips into my HAV and didn't even take out my shields so I was obviously glitching and he was reporting me. I will if they have no health. A few time's I have taken out LAV or Tank with AR
Fair enough if I see a badly damaged tank I put some MD rounds into it but spotting an undamaged HAV and deciding to sprint out of cover to engage it with an assault rifle makes me lol everytime.
Also had a guy jump ontop of my tank with a shotgun and just sit there constantly shooting down onto my turret, was pretty amusing sadly my top gunner still didn't manage to get a kill and eventually the guy got bored/ran out of bullets and wandered off I was so impressed with his dedication I let him live.
Edited for dodgy spelling. |
XeroTheBigBoss
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:53:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Sadly the part in the OP about most people thinking the AR should kill anything is true I made an alt to play with tanks and the amount of people who will stand shooting at a HAV with an AR is simply incredible, even got hatemail from one guy because he put 3 clips into my HAV and didn't even take out my shields so I was obviously glitching and he was reporting me. I will if they have no health. A few time's I have taken out LAV or Tank with AR Fair enough if I see a badly damaged tank I put some MD rounds into it but spotting an undamaged HAV and deciding to sprint out of cover to engage it with an assault rifle makes me lol everytime. Also had a guy jump ontop of my tank with a shotgun and just sit there constantly shooting down onto my turret, was pretty amusing sadly my top gunner still didn't manage to get a kill and eventually the guy got bored/ran out of bullets and wandered off I was so impressed with his dedication I let him live. Edited for dodgy spelling.
Lol nice
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.27 13:49:00 -
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yeah it was a stupid move and it was done to cater to the sissies.
ironically
these SAME sissies who COULDN'T adapt to the assault rifle beg for nerfs
and once they got em, they sit around claiming HTFU
that's friggin hysterical.
only garbage players think the ar ranges are fine. or codbois.
real players know better.
Peace B |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:36:00 -
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oh look, a thread about denial from AR users, this is new and refreshing
everyone knows that ARs put other weapons which are supposed to act at the range of ARs into shade. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.05.27 14:39:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:To the op - if other weapons worked well enough then nobody would care about the AR.
And the reason you are fine is because like you said you snipe. Sniper Rifles work and more importantly for you - they out range AR's by a ton.
i'm not outside the effective range of a tac as often as i'd like to be |
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