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Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:54:00 - [1] - Quote The numbers I ran are in comparison to the swam launcher with "effectiveness against shields" in mind. This is imprtant because the plasma cannon is supposed to be a viable weapon against shields. The std variants seem to be just about where they should be, considering that the swarm launchers have a lock on function: Std swarm Vs. shields: 924 (explosive: 70% damage Vs. shields) Std plasma cannon Vs shields: 1155 (hybrid: 110% damage Vs. shields) The adv and proto variants are off by quite a large margine however: From here on up it just starts to get dumb: Adv swarm: Vs. shields: 1,155 (explosive: 70% damage Vs. shields) Adv plasma cannon Vs shields: 1,212.75 (hybrid: 110% damage Vs. shields) This needs to be on par with the difference betwee the standard plasma cannon and swarm. ~ Proto swarm: Vs. shields: 1,386 (explosive: 70% damage Vs. shields) Proto plasma cannon Vs shields: 1,270.5 (hybrid: 110% damage Vs. shields) And this is just completely backwards. So, as I said, the plasma cannon definitely needs a damage buff. And the should definitely output more damage than the swarms considering that swarms have a lock on function. Alright CCP, get it done.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's funny to use against infantry sometimes. Useless otherwise. Didn't even need to run numbers. EDIT: Also hybrids deal 110% to shields. Pretty sure it's 90% to shields and 110% armor. That is what the assault rifle does and it is a hybrid. And I do believe that the scrambler does the opposite, 110% to shields 90% to armor.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:07:00 - [3] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Numbers don't work. In New Eden is all about instinct Yah forget about the cold hard fact and just go with your gut.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:18:00 - [4] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: just ran the numbers. LOL@ fg/ar Running numbers against these two is pointless. A forge gun will one shot any suit on a direct hit. Period. The AR suffers a massive loss to efficiency when targeting a vehicle like an HAV or dropship. (although scanning numbers have been inconsistent on LAVs, so that's up in the air) Why are you comparing the effectiveness of one AV weapon (the plasma cannon, a light weapon mind you) to the effectiveness of another AV weapon (the forge gun, a heavy weapon) in contrast to their effectiveness against infantry? How does that even make since as an argument here? shakes his head The rest of your post had absolutely no relevance to the subject.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:24:00 - [5] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: Jotun Hiem wrote: Nguruthos IV wrote: just ran the numbers. LOL@ fg/ar Running numbers against these two is pointless. A forge gun will one shot any suit on a direct hit. Period. The AR suffers a massive loss to efficiency when targeting a vehicle like an HAV or dropship. (although scanning numbers have been inconsistent on LAVs, so that's up in the air) Why are you comparing the effectiveness of one AV weapon (the plasma cannon, a light weapon mind you) to the effectiveness of another AV (the forge gun, a heavy weapon) in contrast to their effectiveness against infantry? How does that even make since as an argument here? shakes his head The rest of your post had absolutely no relevance to the subject. Uhm... I'm not? The guy I'm responding to is comparing the forge gun and AR. I never even mentioned the plasma cannon. The guy who started the thread is comparing the SL and PS in their anti-armor roles. Ahh I see, I never listen to that guy, because of personal issues between him and I. Sorry my bad.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:35:00 - [6] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Hybrid weapons like the Plasma Cannon and Gallente Assault Rifle deal 110% damage to shielded targets and 90% to armored targets. Well, I guess I could be wrong (can any one confirm this with an official source) if so... My bad. I'll run the numbers again for the plasma cannon: Std: 1,155 Adv: 1,212.75 Proto: 1,270.5 As you can see, the numbers for adv and proto are still off by quite a large margine.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:38:00 - [7] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: Shield vehicles have lesser defense. This doesn't matter at all if swarms put out more damage than the plasma cannon. Not relevant to the topic.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:46:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It's not an AV weapon. In my experience it's only viable in the same scenario as a shotgun. The fact that it can do reasonable damage to vehicles is just an added bonus, like running with cheap AV nades. It is billed as an AV weapon and should function accordingly/properly. Why is this an issue?
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:54:00 - [9] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's funny to use against infantry sometimes. Useless otherwise. Didn't even need to run numbers. EDIT: Also hybrids deal 110% to shields. Pretty sure it's 90% to shields and 110% armor. That is what the assault rifle does and it is a hybrid. And I do believe that the scrambler does the opposite, 110% to shields 90% to armor. AR is 110% shields man. OP had been edited to reflect this.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 01:02:00 - [10] - Quote Oops had to edit again. I sware it's fixed this time.

Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.05.25 04:14:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: Jotun Hiem wrote: Hybrid weapons like the Plasma Cannon and Gallente Assault Rifle deal 110% damage to shielded targets and 90% to armored targets. Well, I guess I could be wrong (can any one confirm this with an official source) if so... My bad. I'll run the numbers again for the plasma cannon: Std: 1,155 Adv: 1,212.75 Proto: 1,270.5 As you can see, the numbers for adv and proto are still off by quite a large margine. Is the game an official source? There are no stats for this in game?

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