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Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 215	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:18:00 - [1] - Quote Is not an "easy person" that you can touch anytime you want. Leave him/her alone! <3
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 395	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:18:00 - [2] - Quote The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 215	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 309	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:37:00 - [4] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about Correct, only viable ones are those 2.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:57:00 - [5] - Quote I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range still, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4623	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:58:00 - [6] - Quote I would also argue the shotgun as well. I got dropped by a single TAR before I had a chance to refire.
Rorschach Mustang Opus Arcana Orion Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:05:00 - [7] - Quote Welcome to the world where everything except the AR gets nerfed.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 280	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:34:00 - [8] - Quote Rorschach Mustang wrote: Welcome to the world where everything except the AR gets nerfed. The TAC is a bit OP... but all the other AR's has been nerfed. Try the GEK-38 yourself, and you'll see that is not " Easy " to use. And when is the last time you got kill by a Burst Rifle ? It was bad in the previous build, in this one is useless.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 280	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:44:00 - [9] - Quote Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things
Rorschach Mustang Opus Arcana Orion Empire 32	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:47:00 - [10] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Rorschach Mustang wrote: Welcome to the world where everything except the AR gets nerfed. The TAC is a bit OP... but all the other AR's has been nerfed. Try the GEK-38 yourself, and you'll see that is not " Easy " to use. And when is the last time you got kill by a Burst Rifle ? It was bad in the previous build, in this one is useless. yeah I should have been more specific. Can't the TAC be fired faster than the automatics because of how quickly you can tap the trigger?

ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 313	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:57:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would also argue the shotgun as well. I got dropped by a single TAR before I had a chance to refire. but you're not good at the game. Therefore, your post on balance are irrelevant
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1403	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:57:00 - [12] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things Try the TAC, it's got all of those things in spades.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 233	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:16:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would also argue the shotgun as well. I got dropped by a single TAR before I had a chance to refire. Get better my friend. Talk to Calamity Jane or play against her/him with an AR or a TAR. Then come and post again =D
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 56	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:18:00 - [14] - Quote Rorschach Mustang wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Rorschach Mustang wrote: Welcome to the world where everything except the AR gets nerfed. The TAC is a bit OP... but all the other AR's has been nerfed. Try the GEK-38 yourself, and you'll see that is not " Easy " to use. And when is the last time you got kill by a Burst Rifle ? It was bad in the previous build, in this one is useless. yeah I should have been more specific. Can't the TAC be fired faster than the automatics because of how quickly you can tap the trigger? I suppose if you know someone who can pull the trigger 13 times in a second the answer would be yes. Course he'd be blowing holes in the ceiling, but it would indeed be firing faster.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 284	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:19:00 - [15] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things Try the TAC, it's got all of those things in spades. I tried the TAC..And i can't use it with the mouse... so i reverted back to my old, reliable GEK-38. I think only DS3 users get a decent firing rate with the TAC....Maybe CCP should nerf the DS3, and not the mouse ?
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 366	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:19:00 - [16] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things Then you are bad
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 451	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:22:00 - [17] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about It has plenty enough range, and can kill with a few shots from the other side of the area. It is perfectly capable of dropping people with a couple of shots. You've obviously never met the TAR.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1418	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:23:00 - [18] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things Try the TAC, it's got all of those things in spades. I tried the TAC..And i can't use it with the mouse... so i reverted back to my old, reliable GEK-38. I think only DS3 users get a decent firing rate with the TAC....Maybe CCP should nerf the DS3, and not the mouse ? I take it your mouse doesn't have onboard macros?
Panther Alpha WarRavens 284	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:24:00 - [19] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things Then you are bad I never say i was good .... Still that doesn't change the fact, that the Assault Rifle have none of that things. Lots of recoil, rubbish range, is only accurate when aiming trough the sight, and TERRIBLE hip fire.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 233	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:24:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about It has plenty enough range, and can kill with a few shots from the other side of the area. It is perfectly capable of dropping people with a couple of shots. You've obviously never met the TAR. You've obviously never met a good shotgunner, sniper, plasma cannon user, forge gunner, etc

Jotun Hiem The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 698	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:26:00 - [21] - Quote The TAC will drop my tanked heavy suit in close quarters faster than my HMG can take down an assault in the same situation. I've head deaths where the TAC will actually kill me faster than a shotgun could.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 451	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:28:00 - [22] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about It has plenty enough range, and can kill with a few shots from the other side of the area. It is perfectly capable of dropping people with a couple of shots. You've obviously never met the TAR. You've obviously never met a good shotgunner, sniper, plasma cannon user, forge gunner, etc I'm sure there were some in that corpse-strewn wake my TAR left.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 284	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:34:00 - [23] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Chinduko wrote: I'd take a TAC over a sniper rifle for it's long and short range capability and any AR over a shotgun anytime in CQC. Sniper rifles only work for long ranges, shotguns take more skill to use as CQC weapon. ARs are much easier to handle with no recoil, have excellent range, pinpoint accuracy, and excellent hip fire. It's the hands down choice of weapon to use for anyone from the highly skilled to the novice players. No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things Try the TAC, it's got all of those things in spades. I tried the TAC..And i can't use it with the mouse... so i reverted back to my old, reliable GEK-38. I think only DS3 users get a decent firing rate with the TAC....Maybe CCP should nerf the DS3, and not the mouse ? I take it your mouse doesn't have onboard macros? Nooo... just a simple two Dpi settings, gaming mouse. Been using the same one for years, and i got use to it.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 338	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:35:00 - [24] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about I think he meant against comparable weapons. Like the Scrambler rifle and Laser rifle. The only other two guns that are suppose to serve the same all purpose niche, are completely out gunned. All the other specialized weapons have a hard time competing because the AR is very effective. The only AR that needs a nerf is the TAR (don't nerf it worse than it was in Chromosome, still keep it above that) Personally I feel that all the other weapons that are UP should be buffed.
THEx4THxSEAL Molon Labe. League of Infamy 18	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:40:00 - [25] - Quote All weapons are different. a 7.62 round is going to do more damage than a 5.56. Too much nerfing or buffing can kill a game
Asmodeus Reinhart lufafas marines 6	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:52:00 - [26] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things The militia AR is none of those things. I spent my newbie points on light weapons and the assault rifle tiers and created a single fit with the GEK38 as - something to 'try'. I like to run and gun, and theoretically the assault rifle is a balance between range, speed and power in most games. Moving just out of those basic load out items will IMO change your mind about a few of those things. If you already have then I don't know if I fully agree with you. Just the step up to the GEK-38 created an instant probably +20% chance of winning a gun fight compared to the militia AR. But if you are an opportunistic (jerk face, rat fatherless, son of a mean person) that sweeps in behind busy opponents fighting what they 'think' is a 180* battle. Oh lordy. I can drill guys in the head before they can even turn around. Rarely have to even track them as they realize they are getting hit and try to left stick out of the incoming fire. Just drops them cold. F2F gun fights it isn't drastic as most of those are panicky. But it gives an edge over the militia AR IMO. And that isn't a leet AR. I'd imagine the top shelf stuff gets a bit more nasty.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:56:00 - [27] - Quote After hearing everybody cry a river ive went and tried the TAC for myself, and well yea its a great weapon if your good with it lol. If you glass cannon yourself you can put out pretty mean dmg but you need to have the skills (read real skill) to be able to hit moving targets with the damn sights. For the hardcore player it can definitely be a mean tool of choice, but for me I waste more shots than actually getting on target. Id say don't punish people who put in the effort to use the weapon well, stop crying and master your own damn gun.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 284	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:59:00 - [28] - Quote Asmodeus Reinhart wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: No recoil ? Excellent Range ? Pinpoint accuracy ? and Excellent hip fire ? ......CCP... can i have the AR that this guys are talking about ? because the one i using, have none of that things The militia AR is none of those things. I spent my newbie points on light weapons and the assault rifle tiers and created a single fit with the GEK38 as - something to 'try'. I like to run and gun, and theoretically the assault rifle is a balance between range, speed and power in most games. Moving just out of those basic load out items will IMO change your mind about a few of those things. If you already have then I don't know if I fully agree with you. Just the step up to the GEK-38 created an instant probably +20% chance of winning a gun fight compared to the militia AR. But if you are an opportunistic (jerk face, rat fatherless, son of a mean person) that sweeps in behind busy opponents fighting what they 'think' is a 180* battle. Oh lordy. I can drill guys in the head before they can even turn around. Rarely have to even track them as they realize they are getting hit and try to left stick out of the incoming fire. Just drops them cold. F2F gun fights it isn't drastic as most of those are panicky. But it gives an edge over the militia AR IMO. And that isn't a leet AR. I'd imagine the top shelf stuff gets a bit more nasty. You new right ? ...Trust me, if this guys have their way... the AR will became Paintball Gun, that will be use to decorate other players dropsuits.
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 77	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:05:00 - [29] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The problem is that it simply outclasses the other weapons in nearly everything. It has not the range of a sniper rifle and can't kill with 2 shoots from the other side of the map. It has not the power of a shotgun and can't kill with 1/2 shoots all the people in from of it, assault, heavies, etc. Don't know what you talk about Yeah, so sniper rifle is good at extremely long ranges and shotgun I good at extremely close ranges. But for the other 95% of ranges where most engagements take place, the AR absolutely dominates. That's the problem.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 451	Posted - 2013.05.25 00:10:00 - [30] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Asmodeus Reinhart wrote: -snip- You new right ? ...Trust me, if this guys have their way... the AR will became Paintball Gun, that will be use to decorate other players dropsuits. I already do use it to decorate dropsuits. With blood.



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