It sort of waters down the game. Especially when people that is not in your alliance can play. Sometimes, you'll see 4 or 5 different corps in one battle.

It is what it is at this point.....but it is watered down.

having ringers kinda defies the purpose of being in the corp.

ur playing the wrong game then
u still see it as corp v corp one off battles
try participating in a war and tell me it still waters down the game
this the most fun we ever had on dust

u are mercenaries as well so if ppl wanna pay ringers this is the ONE game where ringing shouldnt even be frowned upon tbh

I think the problem is that Corps can literally only rely on the same 16 players to win their games. Against Zion despite how big their corp was I literally only seen the same 16 players, 2 of which belonged to SVer Trueblood. It felt less like a war for a planet and more like an arranged game. CCP should limit how many PC battles every 24 hours a character can enter before he is "fatigued" or something. Ths way corps will either HAVE to let their other members have a go or hire outside help. Also people will have to think which characters they want in the battle and when ect.

And PC as it stands is just the bare-bones simplest version of what's coming.

I think the problem is that Corps can literally only rely on the same 16 players to win their games. Against Zion despite how big their corp was I literally only seen the same 16 players, 2 of which belonged to SVer Trueblood. It felt less like a war for a planet and more like an arranged game. CCP should limit how many PC battles every 24 hours a character can enter before he is "fatigued" or something. Ths way corps will either HAVE to let their other members have a go or hire outside help. Also people will have to think which characters they want in the battle and when ect.

having ringers kinda defies the purpose of being in the corp.

A smart CEO as he gains experience will learn there are gonna be fights he may not be able to win alone for various reasons.

Maybe he is short a good tank or AV guy or is missing his normal A team heavy.

He could be running up against a Difficult corp who has beaten him before, and the cost of the mercenaries is far less then the cost of losing the district, the clones or the fight for the district.

He may have to fight a battle on a low player count corp timer so he is missing some of his best dudes for the fight NA corps have this problem with Southern legion attacks.

You may want someone who as experience fighting that corp or alliance as that person will have a intimate knowledge of that enemy corps fav tactics and fighting styles.

You may have found your own AV/Tank team could not best the enemies so you might want to pull in a dif one that fairs better in the battle.

They could be using Tactics that have a advantage versus your A teams current composition.

Plenty of reasons to hire a skilled mercenary how has fought many battles and can give you the edge you need when you need it at a fair price.

It is a cost benefit analysis any good corp leader should be doing with his Directors before and after fights. You need to plan and you need to analyze the fight. Do you want to hire a few individual NF or the entire corp? Depends who your fighting and how many guys you have on or if you feel you can win it alone or with a little help or allot.

The problem most corps are facing is everyone is trying to be the BIGGEST guy in the room, that is not how life works, a couple of good friends can make all the difference.

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Whats the big deal?

We have alliances for that reason, we have friends too.

Saying that "they won cause they used ringers those chicken scrubs blah blah", yes they can field a better team, with help form some friends and beat your team, deal with it.


On a related note: I'll gladly play just about any corp battle I can play, I won't even charge you for it, PSN: KingBabar, send me a msg if your corp need a quality ringer for any fight not against any in the Cronos alliance.

Errr no.

ur playing the wrong game then
u still see it as corp v corp one off battles
try participating in a war and tell me it still waters down the game
this the most fun we ever had on dust

u are mercenaries as well so if ppl wanna pay ringers this is the ONE game where ringing shouldnt even be frowned upon tbh

I'm expressing my opinion about ringing.....At the same time I am not saying that we won't ring or use ringers, if needed. Since others are doing it to beef their teams up, you have no choice but to do it as well.

If I had to choose whether to allow for ringers or not, I would vote to prohibit ringers in a match. Because the same fun can be had without ringers. These are 16v16 battles and not open world battles with large scale war fighting and wars happening. But this is what CCP wants, so it is what it is. Maybe if only alliance members were allowed to join (just like only alliance members are allowed to call OBs), it wouldn't be soo bad. But anyone can join a battle....

having ringers kinda defies the purpose of being in the corp.

Splitting a corp in two just for the **** of it kind of defies the purpose of everything, but you imps did it anyway

having ringers kinda defies the purpose of being in the corp.

so you think its ok for your corp to have another corp fight your battles?

Can I hire you to help us attack Seraphim?

I think the problem is that Corps can literally only rely on the same 16 players to win their games. Against Zion despite how big their corp was I literally only seen the same 16 players, 2 of which belonged to SVer Trueblood. It felt less like a war for a planet and more like an arranged game. CCP should limit how many PC battles every 24 hours a character can enter before he is "fatigued" or something. Ths way corps will either HAVE to let their other members have a go or hire outside help. Also people will have to think which characters they want in the battle and when ect.

I'm not sure what is worse.

People moaning about ringers or people moaning about people moaning about ringers...

What really concered me is what seems to be a growing tread for the large corps NOT to fight each other.

Having played eve since late 2003, I've seen this cycle before there.. You might have heard people talking about the "Big Blue Donut", reffering to so many 0.0 allainces setting blue standings to each other and no longer fighting.

For a PvP game, this is very bad.

Not much can be done, it's human nature for most of us to prefer to fight those we feel we can be certain to win... I'm not moaning about it, no one likes to lose. Me least of all.

Currently there is little incentive for the larger corps and allainces to fight, either here or in eve, other than grudges and they soon fade.



totally agree with this to be honest, we (sorry my old corp) recently fought The South Legion, now these are not guys you would think need ringers, but we rather stupidly thought we could catch them out of their natural time zone and hit them on our european peak time, hoping that would get a crack at perhaps their b-team. Sadly... they had mates and want to hold the district and united pwnage backed them up. We lost and then lost again 3 hours later to a full team of TSL.

Good fights btw.

Plenty of the guys in that corp moaned about them using ringers.. I just asked the question, "if we had Betamax or Imps as mates, wouldn't you use them?" Of course most said "hell no"... but lets be honest.. they're kidding themselves, I was leading my corp team (thanks for the learning expirence TSL) and I can tell you, I would have happily jumped on the bat phone has I had one.

moaning about this kinda stuff just makes you look bitter and sad.

Have you looked at the battle reports. As of right now most big groups are at war with another larger group. Yes there are coalitions but for the most part everyone is fighting.

Can I hire you to help us attack Seraphim?