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Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.24 13:51:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:I was talking about your Alliance's overall presence in New Eden, and that simply ragging on another group for having a lower member count in DUST 514 isn't exactly the most impressive thing out there. Your EVE side support needs to be as good, if not better, at the various aspects of PVP in EVE than your DUST 514 soldiers to actually survive long term. That was the message I was trying to get across, just because you have some small accomplishments in DUST doesn't mean you'll last long.
Currently this game is in its infancy and the overly vocal with the minute "accomplishments" some of the groups have been lauding is thorough entertainment as they seem to think it matters long term.
I wouldn't worry about a corp or alliance having a Eve presence now. There are some corps out there that will not even let accumulate 2500 WPs to call in a OBS.
If and when it comes to a point that Eve capsulers can shoot at a district without target painting from the ground, then what you say would matter. But remember 2 things when that happens;- we dusters can fire back and friendly fire is enabled. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3270
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Posted - 2013.05.24 13:54:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Rupture Reaperson wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: step on your own feet some more...
I mean seriously you are already considered a joke by most as being a CPM, seen on video being a saboteur, and now likely staging the same thing in a match u were gonna lose anyway so why not get something out of it right?
I'm very serious when I say that I'm forcing myself to give my respect to Kain, and by extension Imps, as he is at the VERY least trying to represent the CPM in a dignified manner.
I seriously think there is an internal competition for who can be the biggest FAIL on the CPM.. or who gets removed first.
way to once again represent the community jenza, don't forget the public showers are to the left..
Well IWS had done a couple thngs here and there to help out, as a heavy you must know that. And Nova is here and there, at least paying attention and listening... so there are Cpms who their job, besides kain of course. It just so happens that some people in power dont think like them. Im "doing my job" and im not staging anything. I made my position clear that im up for anything that makes this game anything other than a COD clone with some mmo elements. Espionage is something that CCP has intended since this game was first conceived and im working to make it better. Is awoxing an exploit? No. Is it too easy? Yes. Im just standing up for what I believe in and you seem to have a probem with that. I have been personally thanked for standing up and not bending to the will of butthurt COD players and actually trying to make a functional game with unique game mechanics.
this is one of the dumbest insults ppl like to toss around "ohh its cod players" im pretty sure most cod players if not all are actually playing COD and not on DUST 2ndly speaking u shouldnt even talk about making a functional game let alone talk anything FPS wise when ur FPS background is non existant. You are a casual player and most console games u have played arent even shooters so the fact tht u even think u know how to balance stuff or know how the FPS community is and how the console community is is disturbing.
No disrespect to u jenny but honestly speaking what exactly have u done to make dust better besides doin a live stream? What is the purpose of the CPM when the majority of the CPM dont understand the community they dealing with and have little knowledge on console shooters?
kool u played some EVE....nice......but playing EVE wont make DUST grow if u dont understand the community u trying to market the game to.
The only CPM i honestly have 100% faith in is Caz, Kain and prob Nova the others i do not. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:02:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:The needs of the few outway the needs of the many. You need to understand that you are a small drop in a very vast ocean
Well no not really and even if your stance was even close to being true, CCP doesn't care as they like making games where people can betray, steal and exploit one another.
Mavado V Noriega wrote:
tbh just as u said lowsec isnt really the be all end all, its more of a time for us to show what we can do on the ground. When nullsec comes around lets be perfectly honest with one another..........no new power is gonna waltz into nullsec and gain space correct? So if this is true then null groups tbqh would be looking at capable mercs to bring within their ranks as they would already have vast amounts of EVE support.
In the long run EVE support in Molden Heath isnt really THAT important, its more a kool thing to have than a necessity same thing with when u look long term, doesnt matter what little inhouse fleet u have now when null drops and if u ally/work for one of the nullsec alliances EVE backing and support is taken care of same thing with meta-game, dont think any null group would want dust mercs metagaming for them in any large capacity haha they would just be concerned with how good u are on the ground
That's assuming those larger groups such as GoonSwarm/the CFC, TEST, N3 etc. don't already have DUST 514 corps and players and will recruit internally before looking at the non-affiliated DUST corps. That would be the most likely thing as it maintains your OpSec.
And you're right, I was just busting your guys' chops with the K/B because, well....it was really embarrassing. Like there wasn't just one thing wrong with most of those fittings, there were lots of things wrong for both sides.
SoTah Pawp wrote: Goons have to buy there way into dust - no way they'd get in through skill Lol
But meta is a part of the game so give em a pat on the back for at least playing this half way through ;)
Don't be made we can win without losing any resources.
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Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
235
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:24:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:I am a player first and a CPM second. this is not my paid job and i reserve the right to play the game how i wish to play without being hassled by those who disagree with me.
Im just one person i cant reprisent the wishes of every single player in dust as there are always those with conflicting opinions, and indeed the community is very conflicted about awoxing. Thats why there are multiple CPMs with multiple opinions, and none of them think that awoxing is bad.
Just becasue i participate in activities you dont like, doesnt effect my ability as a CPM to do whats right for the game. Mittens, the CEO of goonswarm is one of the most controversial people in EVE. Love him or hate him, no one can deny that he was an amazing CSM rep who got **** done. Jenza, if I am not mistaken I had believed that CPM is a representative of the gamer majority and this be our issue. If this is true, listen to yourself rather read what you are saying. Is it in line with what we are saying? Are you representing us or your corp? If you want to be a gamer first that is fine, but don't come to the forums and defend yourself. If you don't want it, then give it yo CHICAGOCUBS4EVER or CEOPYREX or anyone else who can "get the **** done" |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:32:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote: this is one of the dumbest insults ppl like to toss around "ohh its cod players" im pretty sure most cod players if not all are actually playing COD and not on DUST 2ndly speaking u shouldnt even talk about making a functional game let alone talk anything FPS wise when ur FPS background is non existant. You are a casual player and most console games u have played arent even shooters so the fact tht u even think u know how to balance stuff or know how the FPS community is and how the console community is is disturbing.
No disrespect to u jenny but honestly speaking what exactly have u done to make dust better besides doin a live stream? What is the purpose of the CPM when the majority of the CPM dont understand the community they dealing with and have little knowledge on console shooters?
kool u played some EVE....nice......but playing EVE wont make DUST grow if u dont understand the community u trying to market the game to.
The only CPM i honestly have 100% faith in is Caz, Kain and prob Nova the others i do not.
While not having a "hardcore competitive gaming" background in FPS games specifically isn't a good thing, it is hardly the be all end all of what makes a good CPM member. You want people on the CPM who are well balanced at knowing how CCP treats their games, the core mechanics and several other factors such as how the different tools in the game should be working (i.e. the player driven market, weapon balances, corporation management etc. etc.). At present, DUST has most of its base mechanics as an FPS game figured out, identifying issues and advising CCP on how to address those issue are the main goal. Is there a major issue with weapon balance, CPM works with CCP on the issue and how to make sure no further changes affect the community's ability to play the game.
There are several things I believe most of the people are missing. Firstly, this isn't an FPS game, this is an FPS MMO Sandbox in a persistant universe where there are both in-game tools, and meta-game tools available and both need to be in a healthy balance. CCP has always had issues with making their games "new user friendly", but that has never really hurt them in the long run. This is a niche game for a niche market of users who like to have more substance to their toys. Obviously the goal of this game is to expand the consumer base CCP exposes their products too however lets not ignore the fact that in the majority of cases where people complain it was "too complicated" they simply didn't take the time to figure out what to do, they just wanted the game to be simple, which this game is far from and will continue to be far from.
Promoting and pushing for CCP to update the tutorial, even if its not implemented in the next calendar year, is a good step in making sure new users aren't completely baffled, but again its as someone said previously, this is a bit of a culture shock for more console FPS players as, to be quite honest, not many games are attempting what DUST is attempting to do, there has to still be some responsibility on the new user to take the effort to learn. CCP has a long game plan for DUST and so simply because it's not outdoing other console FPS games in terms of user base, is of not issue to the developers. World of Warcraft, Star Wars The Old Republic etc all are "outperforming" EVE Online, but EVE has continued to survive due to a dedicated user base and an understanding that it is not like other MMOs available on the market. The same should, and most likely will be, said for DUST.
Your mentioning of being an EVE veteran, seemingly as a bad thing, is moot as Hans is a member of the CPM, and if I remember correctly, was a member of the CSM in EVE and has the most experience with dealing with the balance between the player community and the developers. The majority of the current CPM, even those you put faith into, are experienced with EVE and the "sandbox" it is. and have a better grasp on how to implement the "New Eden element" to DUST than those who have only played games like MAG, SOCOM etc. etc.
If you feel the CPM isn't living up to the standards you or your group feels, rather than attacking and insulting someone on a personal level, grow up and have an adult conversation. That was not directed specifically at Mavado but at the general community. |
Succendo
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:32:00 -
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You guys are a bunch of crybabies.
Jenza for president of world. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:42:00 -
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Succendo wrote:You guys are a bunch of crybabies.
Jenza for president of world.
I approve of this product and/or service. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
398
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:43:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote: have an adult conversation without any baseless accusations. Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing.
Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1569
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:51:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:jenza aranda wrote:I am a player first and a CPM second. this is not my paid job and i reserve the right to play the game how i wish to play without being hassled by those who disagree with me.
Im just one person i cant reprisent the wishes of every single player in dust as there are always those with conflicting opinions, and indeed the community is very conflicted about awoxing. Thats why there are multiple CPMs with multiple opinions, and none of them think that awoxing is bad.
Just becasue i participate in activities you dont like, doesnt effect my ability as a CPM to do whats right for the game. Mittens, the CEO of goonswarm is one of the most controversial people in EVE. Love him or hate him, no one can deny that he was an amazing CSM rep who got **** done. Jenza, if I am not mistaken I had believed that CPM is a representative of the gamer majority and this be our issue. If this is true, listen to yourself rather read what you are saying. Is it in line with what we are saying? Are you representing us or your corp? If you want to be a gamer first that is fine, but don't come to the forums and defend yourself. If you don't want it, then give it yo CHICAGOCUBS4EVER or CEOPYREX or anyone else who can "get the **** done" Who are you to say that this is what the majority wants? for all we know this is just the vocal few. i have seen people on both sides of the coin both agreeing and disagreeing, and like i said, the WHOLE CPM is for awoxing, and the WHOLE CPM believe its too easy right now (myself included) which is why we are working with CCP so to make it harder yet still possible.
The reason we have multiple CPM people is so that we have have people with multiple opinions and on this situation a consensus has already been made. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:51:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing.
Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot.
Again, that was directed at the entire community which would, wait for it, include her. Please learn to read. |
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jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1569
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:55:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...
Please explain? if its about that exploit with the districts not flipping properly i have allready explained that i had no part of that. If its about the awoxing, What information did i have access to?
Everyone knew that friendly fire was coming Everyone knew you could bring outside people into a corp match
I fail to see what information i had to give me an advantage.
As for the other bullshit, keep that to yourself. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1569
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:58:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing.
Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot. Again, that was directed at the entire community which would, weirdly, include her. Please learn to read. at least you seem to understand where im coming from. exactly, i was talking about anyone thinking having a CPM in their alliance giving them an advantage is a dumbass, and i stand by that comment. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:05:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote: at least you seem to understand where im coming from. exactly, i was talking about anyone thinking having a CPM in their alliance giving them an advantage is a dumbass, and i stand by that comment.
I don't need nor want your approval. You have routinely shown as much varying levels of incompetence and stupidity as other members of this community. |
sammus420
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:05:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Abu Stij wrote: have an adult conversation without any baseless accusations. Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing. Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot.
She calls people like you "dumbassess" because, well... You are. You spout insults and personal attacks just because her views don't match your own, and make baseless accusations about her actions. All of which point to one thing. That you're a dumbass.
So far she has represented my interests and desired game play experience in Dust extremely well. Jenza should be voted life long empress of the CPM. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
398
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:06:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing.
Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot. Again, that was directed at the entire community which would, weirdly, include her. Please learn to read. That might be valid if your post had anything to do with Jenza being a horrible public representative. lolSA
jenza aranda wrote:King Kobrah wrote:and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members... Please explain? if its about that exploit with the districts not flipping properly i have allready explained that i had no part of that. If its about the awoxing, What information did i have access to? Everyone knew that friendly fire was coming Everyone knew you could bring outside people into a corp match I fail to see what information i had to give me an advantage. As for the other bullshit, keep that to yourself. Yes, I'm sure you had nothing to do with clones being reinforced despite a loss/districts not being flipped. Either way, it's pretty shady your corp/alliance were the first to exploit that and awoxing..as a public representative, you should have known your actions were going to be magnified and scrutinized by the public, and rather than handle things in a professional manner, you resort to name calling and less than constructive discussion on top of the fact you didn't want CCP to fix awoxing despite it taking the skill of a gorilla to pull off. How exactly are you helping the community, again?
You obviously can barely handle basic-level trolling about your appearance; if words on the internet from someone you'll never meet upsets you, maybe being a public representative isn't for you. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
398
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:08:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:You spout insults and personal attacks
sammus420 wrote:you're a dumbass. lol
sammus420 wrote:Jenza should be voted life long empress of the CPM LOL |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1569
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:11:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Abu Stij wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing.
Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot. Again, that was directed at the entire community which would, weirdly, include her. Please learn to read. That might be valid if your post had anything to do with Jenza being a horrible public representative. lolSAjenza aranda wrote:King Kobrah wrote:and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members... Please explain? if its about that exploit with the districts not flipping properly i have allready explained that i had no part of that. If its about the awoxing, What information did i have access to? Everyone knew that friendly fire was coming Everyone knew you could bring outside people into a corp match I fail to see what information i had to give me an advantage. As for the other bullshit, keep that to yourself. Yes, I'm sure you had nothing to do with clones being reinforced despite a loss/districts not being flipped. Either way, it's pretty shady your corp/alliance were the first to exploit that and awoxing..as a public representative, you should have known your actions were going to be magnified and scrutinized by the public, and rather than handle things in a professional manner, you resort to name calling and less than constructive discussion on top of the fact you didn't want CCP to fix awoxing despite it taking the skill of a gorilla to pull off. How exactly are you helping the community, again? You obviously can barely handle basic-level trolling about your appearance; if words on the internet from someone you'll never meet upsets you, maybe being a public representative isn't for you. Thanks for not reading my post. I am not "happy" at how awoxing is right now and everyone on the CPM agrees its too easy and working on making it harder but not impossible. NO ONE on the CPM wants to make it impossible. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
399
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:21:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote: Thanks for not reading my post. I am not "happy" at how awoxing is right now and everyone on the CPM agrees its too easy and working on making it harder but not impossible. NO ONE on the CPM wants to make it impossible.
What post? Yours has nothing to do with how you felt about awoxing; also I never said awoxing should be made impossible, or that anyone on the CPM wants it made impossible.
The fact of the matter is a public representative responsible for community growth and betterment used a widely unknown and particularly vicious tactic against a newbie starter corporation designed to help new players learn the game and then responded poorly to the forum backlash.
You lack a set of certain public relations skills necessary to do a job like yours.
Maybe you should consider sticking to behind the scenes work? |
Succendo
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:23:00 -
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I think it's safe to say that this thread has run its course, and said course is into an excrement-filled river replete with dead bodies. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:24:00 -
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Succendo wrote:I think it's safe to say that this thread has run its course, and said course is into a *****-filled river replete with dead bodies.
Which is why an ISD Team needs to be implemented, and why I've been buggying CCP Frame & CCP Eterne about it for weeks. |
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mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:49:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:I am a player first and a CPM second. this is not my paid job and i reserve the right to play the game how i wish to play without being hassled by those who disagree with me.
Im just one person i cant reprisent the wishes of every single player in dust as there are always those with conflicting opinions, and indeed the community is very conflicted about awoxing. Thats why there are multiple CPMs with multiple opinions, and none of them think that awoxing is bad.
Just becasue i participate in activities you dont like, doesnt effect my ability as a CPM to do whats right for the game. Mittens, the CEO of goonswarm is one of the most controversial people in EVE. Love him or hate him, no one can deny that he was an amazing CSM rep who got **** done. But you don't get **** done... And yes we hate you. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1717
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:54:00 -
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I have removed some personal attacks from this thread. |
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Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:57:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.
Eterne, as I have asked previously can you now start to seriously consider setting up an ISD Team similar to the EVE-O forums? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1900
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:05:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:Succendo wrote:You guys are a bunch of crybabies.
Jenza for president of world. I approve of this product and/or service.
Everybody wants someone they can manipulate in power
Goons approving someone? Yeeeaaaah |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:08:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Abu Stij wrote:Succendo wrote:You guys are a bunch of crybabies.
Jenza for president of world. I approve of this product and/or service. Everybody wants someone they can manipulate in power Goons approving someone? Yeeeaaaah
Who knows |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:13:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Everybody wants someone they can manipulate in power Goons approving someone? Yeeeaaaah
Well yeah, wouldn't you? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1900
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:57:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Everybody wants someone they can manipulate in power Goons approving someone? Yeeeaaaah Well yeah, wouldn't you?
The World is full of patsies being controlled by people in the background...that's politics. People don't want smart patsies though, they might figure out what's going on |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:08:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The World is full of patsies being controlled by people in the background...that's politics. People don't want smart patsies though, they might figure out what's going on
Again, why wouldn't you? And you think we can only control Jenza and not other CPM members? That's cute. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1900
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:13:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The World is full of patsies being controlled by people in the background...that's politics. People don't want smart patsies though, they might figure out what's going on Again, why wouldn't you? And you think we can only control Jenza and not other CPM members? That's cute.
never said I wouldn't...also never said anyone can't control other CPM members ... |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:31:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:never said I wouldn't...also never said anyone can't control other CPM members ... note "patsies" was plural and not singular. Edit: your assumption of what i meant was cute.
Damn, you got me. Well played. |
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