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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:35:00 -
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Should an assault rifle really have this much stability?
Under continuous fire you have to unload almost half the clip before you end up with any noticeable sway and you can ENTIRELY negate the sway buildup by tapping rather than holding with no significant loss in rate of fire. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:02:00 -
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I thought the idea was the level it up to make it better. But if people can't even feel it at level1 something is wrong |
Chris F2112
187.
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:03:00 -
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I use an AR and I agree. There needs to be a different system for recoil. That said you can't have recoil like other games because players die so much more slowly. There's a happy medium somewhere, but I can't say for sure where it is. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:19:00 -
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Try shooting then scoping in while still firing, kicks around like a mofo.
AR does have some subtle kicks, slight gun rise on continuous fire. Its just not that noticeable because people dont pay attention unless its so blatant like sniper sway. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:55:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote: That said you can't have recoil like other games because players die so much more slowly.
I don't know about these slow deaths. AR's rip through my 500 shield, 600 armor heavy like butter while my HMG can barely get through highly shielded assaults and Logis. I am waiting on the day this happy medium is applied in Dust. Until then, I'll just stick with the Duvolle andTAC AR like everyone else. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1458
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:58:00 -
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It would be more noticeable if they had range, but... they don't. |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:26:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:It would be more noticeable if they had range, but... they don't.
It's a Blaster, deal with it.
On topic, it does feel kind of odd that kick seems to increase when you look down the sights, but I don't use the AR enough to white a thesis on it. |
Akhi Rhise
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:27:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Try shooting then scoping in while still firing, kicks around like a mofo.
AR does have some subtle kicks, slight gun rise on continuous fire. Its just not that noticeable because people dont pay attention unless its so blatant like sniper sway.
This. |
Ivy Ivanovic Ivanovski
D3LTA ACADEMY
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:35:00 -
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kick is there. you can empty the a full mag and still not kill that guy standing there trying to snipe you at 50meters. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1458
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:39:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:It would be more noticeable if they had range, but... they don't. It's a Blaster, deal with it.
And the tactical is a.... 
I wasn't even complaining about it's lack of range either 
Just pointing out that kick doesn't really matter unless you're shooting at a range. |
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:11:00 -
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The tac is the future caldari AR, the burst is the minmatar AR |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1458
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:28:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:The tac is the future caldari AR, the burst is the minmatar AR
That's irrelevant, but okay.
So when this happens, these guns are going to disappear and the points refunded, or do I have to SP again just to use a gun that I could pretty much use before? |
Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
501
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:34:00 -
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The "kick" is represented through wider bullet spread. |
Cass Barr
Red Star.
EoN.
49
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:44:00 -
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Going on the very quick hypothesis of the related physics that I just threw together in my head, I think it might be something that's entirely possible to rationalize.
Comparing them to AR's in real life or other games is pretty pointless. Dust being a tracking shooter requires (or can at least avail itself to) different methods of balancing than a twitch shooter. And a blaster is so far removed from a present day AR in mechanics, ordnance, and propulsion method of the ordnance that there's no reason to expect the handling of the two to be very similar. |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:26:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Should an assault rifle really have this much stability?
Under continuous fire you have to unload almost half the clip before you end up with any noticeable sway and you can ENTIRELY negate the sway buildup by tapping rather than holding with no significant loss in rate of fire.
You mean; that you have to shoot in short burst of fire to control the recoil ?
Working as intended. Don't get cross because people is learning how to control the AR ... and just HTFU. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:12:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Mike Poole wrote:Should an assault rifle really have this much stability?
Under continuous fire you have to unload almost half the clip before you end up with any noticeable sway and you can ENTIRELY negate the sway buildup by tapping rather than holding with no significant loss in rate of fire. You mean; that you have to shoot in short burst of fire to control the recoil ? Working as intended. Don't get cross because people is learning how to control the AR ... and just HTFU.
No dumbass...
Not "short bursts of fire", instead of holding the button down you simply tap it as fast as you can. Because you're not sending the game a "i'm continuously firing" message it seems to totally ignore adding recoil and you can empty an entire clip just as fast as you would holding the button down but with the recoil of if you'd just fired your first shot.
Don't get full of yourself because you believe you know everything about the game... and just STFU.
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Jenova's Witness
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:15:00 -
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How do you guys notice this stuff when everyone is using TARs? |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
269
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:19:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Mike Poole wrote:Should an assault rifle really have this much stability?
Under continuous fire you have to unload almost half the clip before you end up with any noticeable sway and you can ENTIRELY negate the sway buildup by tapping rather than holding with no significant loss in rate of fire. You mean; that you have to shoot in short burst of fire to control the recoil ? Working as intended. Don't get cross because people is learning how to control the AR ... and just HTFU. No dumbass... Not "short bursts of fire", instead of holding the button down you simply tap it as fast as you can. Because you're not sending the game a "i'm continuously firing" message it seems to totally ignore adding recoil and you can empty an entire clip just as fast as you would holding the button down but with the recoil of if you'd just fired your first shot. Don't get full of yourself because you believe you know everything about the game... and just STFU.
Ohhh really ? .... thanks for the tip  ... I'll try this to day 
In the other hand... if i going to tap the button as fast as i can.. i may just use the Tactical AR, more damage per shoot....dumbass ... |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
261
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:08:00 -
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jeeeeeeeeeesus christ you guys are a buncha female dogs.
they nerf it
you whine
they nerf it
you whine
you whine
you whine
now you want more nerfs.
wtf, man?
you suck so bad you want the other team to spawn in and not move and not shoot at you?
you'd still get redlined.
quit bein such little kitties and stop whining about the guns.
it's not the guns that beat you
it's the players using em.
you're getting beat by better players. quit sucking so much.
Peace
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