DUST Search - I found the problem with the Gallente Medium suits

RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:

Kitten Empress wrote:

Note that armor has a very big disadvantage.
If you manage to chip away at my armor, or even heavily bruise it, I'm out of the battle for a LONG time.
To fully recharge, I need 73 seconds.
That's more than 15th of a Ambush match.

So while true that I have both the tank and the gank, if I get damaged Caldari got the clear advantage.

You need to team up with a logibro. The Caldari can solo well because they have the great recharge time. Everyone else with armor needs us, heck even the caldari do if they don't die by going into it. A repair too will have you good to go in 5 seconds as opposed to your 73. Dont get me wrong, its awesome to be a lone wolf and be able to handle yourself, but see the value in having a team too.

No suit is the end all to every situation. While it may be strong in some areas it must be weaker in others. You, playing to your strength have opted for armor. I would suggest some repping nanohives for your equipment as well.


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Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.22 12:58:00 - [1] - Quote I finally figured out the problem with the Gallente medium suits. They have the opposite problem of the heavy. The heavy is a very good suit at the low end, but when you get to the high end, the suit becomes almost useless in comparison to other suits. The Gallente medium is a VERY good suit at the high end, but at the low end is very pointless. Why? Damage mods. The power of the Gallente suit is that you can both tank and gank at the same time. At the low end, you get one damage mod slot. With it, you barely feel the gank and you feel how bad the regen of armor tanking is. Which is why I've been telling people that the extra damage doesn't make much of a difference, and I would much prefer the regen of shields. At the advanced level, you get two medium slots. Now that's where the suit really starts to shine. You get the same tank as the standard level suit, but now you can fit TWO damage mods. I put on two 5% damage mods and its almost EZ mode. 1v1 no one can take me out. Seriously, it takes a squad of 2-4 people coordinating together to take me down. At the prototype level, this advantage is only amplified by the fact that you get more tank and more gank, and more CPU/PG. So whatever fix armor tanking needs, it is only needed at the low end. At the medium and high end, the suit is very competitive, and the damage is well worth the heavy loss in regeneration. My suggestion is to remove a low slot and put on a medium slot on the basic gallente suit. (Same layout as Caldari standard medium) Maybe add a little more CPU/PG because damage mods are MUCH MORE CPU/PG intensive than armor mods, and I already have problems fitting stuff even with max CPU/PG skills.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:07:00 - [2] - Quote If you have your own suggestions for the standard Gallente medium suit go ahead.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:14:00 - [3] - Quote martinofski wrote: I agree Heavy suck at high end Sentinel even more, Same everything than the basic AK.0, but trade 1 high for 1 more low( making it 1H/4L. No more CPU or PG, nada. and a few more SP to invest...for a 2% in reload speed and feedback damage reduction nonsense(for now). Getting bored of only having 1 race to choose from. This thread really isn't about the heavy. It has been discussed to death and all we have to do now is to wait for CCP. I just want to discuss my discovery of how effective the Gallente medium is at the high end.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:23:00 - [4] - Quote Laheon wrote: Your suggestion is, essentially, make the basic Gallente suit have the same slot layout as the standard Caldari one, with similar CPU and PG? Right. You also say that the Gallente proto is nigh impossible to take down 1v1, i.e. "it's OP". Your suggestion makes the whole race's assault suit better than the others. There would be no point to any of the other races, apart from the racial bonuses, which would be negated by the extra damage mods on the suits. Not to mention that the AR is the Gallente racial weapon, giving the Gallente the most OP weapon currently in game, the TAR. Tbh, if you have to suffer a week of "bad" game in a low-end Gallente suit before getting into the standard one, then buck up. As for the basic suit, yes. Caldari get free and fast regeneration and have to choose between tank and gank. The Gallente proto isn't OP, its right in line with the other suits. Gallente is slower, and regen's much, much slower. So in a sustained battle, as in 1 v multiple people, I have a disadvantage against a caldari suit which can regenerate faster.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:39:00 - [5] - Quote Laheon wrote: The Caldari have to choose between tank or gank, yes. The Gallente don't. Armor in the lows, damage in the highs. The sole drawback to this (apart from speed) is the slower armor rep rate, which is constant, unlike the Caldari's. The Caldari have a space of time after taking damage through which they have to wait before the shield regen starts. Edit: Meh, that post was a mess, edited it to keep it coherent. With my fit I have 6hp/s. The Caldari BASE 25hp/s beats it even with the delay. One recharger and they're at 34hp/s+. Which BTW, doesn't reset from multiple hits, only the first hit starts the delay. The Caldari also can fit speed mods without having less tank.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:03:00 - [6] - Quote Note that armor has a very big disadvantage. If you manage to chip away at my armor, or even heavily bruise it, I'm out of the battle for a LONG time. To fully recharge, I need 73 seconds. That's more than 15th of a Ambush match. So while true that I have both the tank and the gank, if I get damaged Caldari got the clear advantage.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:34:00 - [7] - Quote Laheon wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: With my fit I have 6hp/s. The Caldari BASE 25hp/s beats it even with the delay. One recharger and they're at 34hp/s+. Which BTW, doesn't reset from multiple hits, only the first hit starts the delay. The Caldari also can fit speed mods without having less tank. Yes. But with three 5% damage mods, a Gallente suit will do 12% more damage against a Caldari suit than a Caldari suit can do to it (assuming same weapon and skills). The AR does 110% damage to shields, which make up more of the Caldari HP, meaning it loses the majority of its HP quicker then armor, which an AR is only 90% effective against. If you do the math, a Caldari suit always dies quickly to a Gallente suit. Nowhere near enough time for the recharge rate to kick in. Then again, Caldari move quicker as all the plates slow you down. Also, remember that we don't have all the weapons yet. Caldari weapons will do 100/100, and Minmatar weapons will do 90/110. So minie weapons are the counter to armor.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:49:00 - [8] - Quote Laheon wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Then again, Caldari move quicker as all the plates slow you down. Also, remember that we don't have all the weapons yet. Caldari weapons will do 100/100, and Minmatar weapons will do 90/110. So minie weapons are the counter to armor. Until they come out, you can't say for certain. That's a simple fact. And, afaik, your movement speed doesn't affect your turning speed, which matters a fair bit more in a fight. You can still track the Caldari suit, so you can still kill it. The only downsides to the lower speed are that you a, can't get to the battlefield quickly on foot, and b, if you over-extend (i.e. get caught surrounded by red dots) you can't get back into cover quickly. For the first you have LAV's, and for the second, well, your own fault for over-extending. And lone-wolfing. So Caldari move quicker and regen quicker (Its still very fast, 73 seconds with armor is very long). Hit and run attacks, simple.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:20:00 - [9] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Note that armor has a very big disadvantage. If you manage to chip away at my armor, or even heavily bruise it, I'm out of the battle for a LONG time. To fully recharge, I need 73 seconds. That's more than 15th of a Ambush match. So while true that I have both the tank and the gank, if I get damaged Caldari got the clear advantage. You need to team up with a logibro. The Caldari can solo well because they have the great recharge time. Everyone else with armor needs us, heck even the caldari do if they don't die by going into it. A repair too will have you good to go in 5 seconds as opposed to your 73. Dont get me wrong, its awesome to be a lone wolf and be able to handle yourself, but see the value in having a team too. No suit is the end all to every situation. While it may be strong in some areas it must be weaker in others. You, playing to your strength have opted for armor. I would suggest some repping nanohives for your equipment as well. I would gladly put on repping nanohives if I had the CPU/PG to spare. Also, I do go with logi bro's, however its frustrating to watch blueberry logi bro's who I know have repair tools but don't pull it out because I can't communicate and tell them I need it. There should be an indicator just like the revive one.