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Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 604	Posted - 2013.05.22 12:56:00 - [1] - Quote According to my spreadsheet the following skill changes occurred over downtime. The previously announced reduction of frame skills from 6x to 4x and role suit skills from 10x to 8x as expected. You also now only need the base frame to 3 to unlock the role suits. Systems Hacking from 4x to 5x? Maybe the original data dump was incorrect. The removal of the turret proficiency skills. Base dropship skills from 6x to 4x. Logistics and scout LAV from 8x to 6x.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.22 12:58:00 - [2] - Quote I'm glad we had that incredibly long beta to sort all this out.
The Attorney General ZionTCD Unclaimed. 18	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:00:00 - [3] - Quote Turret proficiency skills went the way of the dodo with uprising.
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 45	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:00:00 - [4] - Quote Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank .
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 735	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:00:00 - [5] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: blah blah blah The removal of the turret proficiency skills. blah blah blah Edit: Oh, wait... already been through that shock before.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 605	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:02:00 - [6] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: blah blah blah The removal of the turret proficiency skills. blah blah blah Edit: Oh, wait... already been through that shock before. Confirmed on skill tree, skill list and market. Those suckers are gone.
Exergonic TeamPlayers EoN. 23	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:03:00 - [7] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . yeah I don't know what CCP was thinking... Everyone enjoys playing for a few weeks to get 5% cpu!!!! >.<
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 145	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:04:00 - [8] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 339	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:05:00 - [9] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . That would be nice.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 805	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:10:00 - [10] - Quote calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. 1x was indeed way too low, but 5x seems like a bit of an overreaction.

Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 170	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:12:00 - [11] - Quote Considering they apply to all suits regardless of frame/race/specialization, I personally don't think them being 5x is a bad thing.
Talruum Tezztarozza Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 128	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:13:00 - [12] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. 1x was indeed way too low, but 5x seems like a bit of an overreaction. I think CCP try to encourage us to skill up in more advance suit/vehicle rather than stay with low tier one with insane PG/CPU. So I don't mind it much.
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 45	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:15:00 - [13] - Quote calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. My problem is that I am convinced a lot of suits are balanced with this skill at V (maybe just IV), which I find to be a problem when you need to sink in (off the top of my head) about 3 million SP. But, it is what it is. I also wish equipment was a 1x skill .
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1752	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:18:00 - [14] - Quote I thought dropships were an 8x multiplier originally?
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 559	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:19:00 - [15] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: I'm glad we had that incredibly long beta to sort all this out. ZING!
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 605	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:33:00 - [16] - Quote gbghg wrote: I thought dropships were an 8x multiplier originally? Yep, you're correct. I'll fix my OP.
Banned From Forums Shining Flame Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:54:00 - [17] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. 1x was indeed way too low, but 5x seems like a bit of an overreaction. its 1x in Eve!
Banned From Forums Shining Flame Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:55:00 - [18] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: I'm glad we had that incredibly long beta to sort all this out. HTFU or SoonGäó! I would have said "It's a beta" but sadly we are out of the beta :(!
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 605	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:57:00 - [19] - Quote Banned From Forums wrote: its 1x in Eve! Evidently, it's much easier to fly a spaceship than walk around in Gallente Scout pajamas. Something about the itty bitty electronics and gears to make this stuff work.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 309	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:01:00 - [20] - Quote systems hacking has been 5x since Uprising was released

Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 38	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:02:00 - [21] - Quote J Falcs wrote: calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. My problem is that I am convinced a lot of suits are balanced with this skill at V (maybe just IV), which I find to be a problem when you need to sink in (off the top of my head) about 3 million SP. This. And the fact that it effects all suits is pretty meaningless when the large majority of players can only spec into two any time soon, their basic frame and role frame.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 404	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:21:00 - [22] - Quote So we got some SP reimbursed today then? Nice. /c

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 605	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:21:00 - [23] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: systems hacking has been 5x since Uprising was released My spreadsheet was based on their CSV data dump the day before Uprising. I caught a fair number of other mistakes and could have easily overlooked that one since I haven't trained it again this build.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 179	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:34:00 - [24] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: J Falcs wrote: calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. My problem is that I am convinced a lot of suits are balanced with this skill at V (maybe just IV), which I find to be a problem when you need to sink in (off the top of my head) about 3 million SP. This. And the fact that it effects all suits is pretty meaningless when the large majority of players can only spec into two any time soon, their basic frame and role frame. The electronics and engineering should be skilled at a high level. It provides more long-term balance because most dropsuits, even the Logistics, need them maxed out in order to run multiple complex modules. So someone can race to Proto suits but without the CPU/PG those skills provide, they are still fairly vulnerable to basic and advanced equipped Mercs. For example, I run a Proto Minmatar Logistics suit but even with Electronics and Engineering at level 3, I can only run enhanced modules...and then only with a CPU Upgrade module. Making those skills lower would only widen the skill gap even more for newer players. As for them working on all suits...it is important to think long term. Sure you can only skill into one type of suit in the first few months, but what about in 6 months? A year? 3 years?
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 223	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:43:00 - [25] - Quote Exergonic wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . yeah I don't know what CCP was thinking... Everyone enjoys playing for a few weeks to get 5% cpu!!!! >.< LOL... What are they calling it these days? "HTFU" or something like that? You want to join the game today and be on the same level with people who have given enough to the forums and the game itself for over a year? Want a Proto Suit and A Proto tank for joining too ?
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 547	Posted - 2013.05.22 16:11:00 - [26] - Quote i do almost feel bad for the new players, I have a bunch of SP but still have a couple months to go to get my ideal fit. that is not even including the AV heavy fit I have planned for after. starting at 500k is in the hole.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 50	Posted - 2013.05.22 16:35:00 - [27] - Quote calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. ...hmmm and what exactly is 5% of 40pg?
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 547	Posted - 2013.05.22 16:38:00 - [28] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: calisk galern wrote: J Falcs wrote: Still disappointed that Electronics and Engineering are so high. They should be no higher than 3x rank . alot of skill are 5x, the fact that everyone wishes these two were lower shows how powerful/useful they are, which means they very well are worth 5x. ...hmmm and what exactly is 5% of 40pg? sometimes 1 or 2 PG is the difference you need to squeeze a module in
Lavirac JR DUST University Ivy League 147	Posted - 2013.05.22 16:54:00 - [29] - Quote The Prereqs for advanced vehicles have also been from 5, or 4 for HAVs, to 3
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 50	Posted - 2013.05.22 16:56:00 - [30] - Quote The cost just seems excessive for only 5% pg/lv. The suits have a fairly small pg amount regardless of which suit you use. The only other skill that seems a bit off that I can find is weapon reload speed (5x) for 3% faster reload time.



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