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CharCharOdell wrote:

Snaps Tremor wrote:

Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in.

Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES

Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in.

There were only 25 tankers in Chromosome.e who could do that. Now there are 9. I mean, Chromosome was hard, so we adapted,but this is ridiculous. We need a price reduction OR a huge buff to match the cost.

9 is the new number I'm guessing? there are a lot of dedicated tankers who like to just run PC battles when we can and run the merc battles like I do. I can usually go 4-5 merc battles before losing my tank to the enemy and most of the time its running into squads who all go AV just to kill me. I don't know about you but when the whole team switches to AV just to kill you then loses because they got cloned not running any ground inf with AR I feel like I did my job just fine. Currently with those 5 matches I break near even for my tanks. Until the proto turret damage gets buffed I would suggest running adv because its 1/3 the cost for only losing like 10-20 dps on the blaster turrets. There are still tanks out there don't lose hope

Also as advice to people wanting to try tanks or any vehicle out for that matter, make a new character and go AV for a bit to learn how to kill tanks and then you will know as a vehicle runner what situations and areas to avoid. Just my .02 isk

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Riam Riam Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:00:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, i don't really have a ton of gameplay experience, having played out of the accademy for less than a week, but one thing that is striking me is the absence of veichle in matches, well except for the free LAV trying to run down people that is. Usually if you see a tank it's on the borderline where it's somewhat safe to shoot at stuff without risking being annihlated (for perfectly good reason like anti armor infantry or controlled fixed position), otherwise it's lumbering around with the pilot screaming for retreat when shield goes down. Dropships are even scarcer. People is too scared of loosing isk to field them. Can't we find a compromise? Like, i don't know, a pilot logist skill that let you field a free amount of vehicle ISK per match. For example you got 100 free isk per level (just saying). To avoid an amored army you could set a team cap for the total number of deployable vehicle in a given moment. LIke 3 tanks and 1 dropship, maybe +1 for each supply depot structure controlled or stuff like that. I mean, i would like a compromise to try out some vehicle from time to time, i think it wouldn't ruin too much the underlying financial meta game. Or maybe a more simple approach like "you got one free veichle spawn per match" only for the random matches, that way you wouldn't impact planetary conquests, wich i don't know anything about but, as my understanding is, are supported by a heavy financial meta game wich could be ruined by lessening vehicle money requirements. Bottom line is, can we have a somewhat more lenient policy on vehicle usage? I wanna drive a little bit around. Nothing game changing. Just let me try the excitement of a vehicle from time to time. What do you think?
Melted Kitt3n Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:03:00 - [2] - Quote AV is op, people are scared.
Ludwig Van AssWhoopin lMPurity 48	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:08:00 - [3] - Quote What's a warf ware?. "I'm not a smart Mann, but I know what love is Ginny."
Nariec Carbon 7 16	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:13:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah brah, their too scared to show it, yesterday I took out 3 Tanks in a single game, one of them was bought using AUR. But that was because I always position myself 10 feet behind them, I good spot that I will always have line of sight even if they try to run away. First throw all my AV grenades, then use my swarm launcher, tanks go "pop" lol. Ahhh the satisfaction.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 236	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:14:00 - [5] - Quote 2+ Million ISK Tank = All Risk no reward 1000 ISK BPO Suit/Free LAVs = No risk all reward I can make more ISK running around in my almost free (1000 ISK) BPO scout suit using free LAVs than I can when calling in my 2+ Million ISK tank.
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 143	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:39:00 - [6] - Quote LOOK, CCP! NOOB THINKS TANKS ARE UP! And he is right. Mr, noob, there are no vehicles because AV has made them go extinct by being OP. There are about 9 truly good tankers left in this whole game and even less dropship pilots who can last a whole round. Buff vehicles or nerf AV, and youll see them come back, a little. Sadly, too few ppl have specced for them bc theyre so expensive.
The Attorney General ZionTCD Unclaimed. 6	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: LOOK, CCP! NOOB THINKS TANKS ARE UP! And he is right. Mr, noob, there are no vehicles because AV has made them go extinct by being OP. There are about 9 truly good tankers left in this whole game and even less dropship pilots who can last a whole round. Buff vehicles or nerf AV, and youll see them come back, a little. Sadly, too few ppl have specced for them bc theyre so expensive. Don't listen to the scrubs like Charlotte here. Is AV strong? Of course. Are tanks weak? Not really. The reason why scrubs like Charlotte exist is because they cannot possibly fathom how to set up a tank under the new system, and as such get blown up even more than they did when tanks were stronger. For Charlotte, that means an even larger ISK loss than last build. Which has to be unfortunate, because good old Charlotte was never even capable on the ground. To the OP, there are plenty of vehicles in PC matches. That is where the real action is. No sense taking tanks to pub matches, you don't get anything worth the trouble.
Mortedeamor Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 62	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:47:00 - [8] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: LOOK, CCP! NOOB THINKS TANKS ARE UP! And he is right. Mr, noob, there are no vehicles because AV has made them go extinct by being OP. There are about 9 truly good tankers left in this whole game and even less dropship pilots who can last a whole round. Buff vehicles or nerf AV, and youll see them come back, a little. Sadly, too few ppl have specced for them bc theyre so expensive. yurp tanks are extinct im skilling out weds
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 408	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:50:00 - [9] - Quote Melted Kitt3n wrote: AV is op, people are scared. Icy, is that you? Did we finally have a successful name change petition?
Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:50:00 - [10] - Quote just a suggestion,If the av nades tracking was decreased even a little bit, it would help immensly, no more hide behind a hill or wall with nanohive and fire and forget. I hate being in the endless cycle of nerfing one thing, and then having to nerf another, but i dont see how new tankers even have a chance.

CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 145	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: LOOK, CCP! NOOB THINKS TANKS ARE UP! And he is right. Mr, noob, there are no vehicles because AV has made them go extinct by being OP. There are about 9 truly good tankers left in this whole game and even less dropship pilots who can last a whole round. Buff vehicles or nerf AV, and youll see them come back, a little. Sadly, too few ppl have specced for them bc theyre so expensive. Don't listen to the scrubs like Charlotte here. Is AV strong? Of course. Are tanks weak? Not really. The reason why scrubs like Charlotte exist is because they cannot possibly fathom how to set up a tank under the new system, and as such get blown up even more than they did when tanks were stronger. For Charlotte, that means an even larger ISK loss than last build. Which has to be unfortunate, because good old Charlotte was never even capable on the ground. To the OP, there are plenty of vehicles in PC matches. That is where the real action is. No sense taking tanks to pub matches, you don't get anything worth the trouble. Would you like to have a tank battle and see who the scrub is? Mr Noob, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about and anyone who says otherwise is not a tanker or dedicated AV merc.
Riam Riam Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:57:00 - [12] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: [quote=CharCharOdell] .... To the OP, there are plenty of vehicles in PC matches. That is where the real action is. No sense taking tanks to pub matches, you don't get anything worth the trouble. But i wanna have fun :( I don't think i can get in any pc match. If i got it right there is some major issue hiring noobs in corps and letting them play pc matches. Fine i don't really care. I'm not that much into the whole underlying structure and politics of PC. Just give me the chance to try out those vehicles. One tank or dropship per match. I don't care if AV is op or whatnot in that case. I got to drive my tank a little, place a few shots, got to learn to pilot a dropship. Maybe when i'll grow up i'll be hired in a corp and field my vehicle in PC shelling ISK for it...
The Attorney General ZionTCD Unclaimed. 6	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:58:00 - [13] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Would you like to have a tank battle and see who the scrub is? Mr Noob, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about and anyone who says otherwise is not a tanker or dedicated AV merc. Against you? Any time. As an AV guy, I was soloing your tanks last build. Your tactics and fits were always subpar. As a tanker, I have no respect for you, and when we meet on the field I will show you how it goes. I'm looking forward to it.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 72	Posted - 2013.05.20 20:04:00 - [14] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Would you like to have a tank battle and see who the scrub is? Mr Noob, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about and anyone who says otherwise is not a tanker or dedicated AV merc. Against you? Any time. As an AV guy, I was soloing your tanks last build. Your tactics and fits were always subpar. As a tanker, I have no respect for you, and when we meet on the field I will show you how it goes. I'm looking forward to it. Oh no he didn't.
sly Bandit OSG Planetary Operations 6	Posted - 2013.05.21 03:31:00 - [15] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The Attorney General wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Would you like to have a tank battle and see who the scrub is? Mr Noob, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about and anyone who says otherwise is not a tanker or dedicated AV merc. Against you? Any time. As an AV guy, I was soloing your tanks last build. Your tactics and fits were always subpar. As a tanker, I have no respect for you, and when we meet on the field I will show you how it goes. I'm looking forward to it. Oh no he didn't. Oh yes he did.
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 154	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:40:00 - [16] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Would you like to have a tank battle and see who the scrub is? Mr Noob, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about and anyone who says otherwise is not a tanker or dedicated AV merc. Against you? Any time. As an AV guy, I was soloing your tanks last build. Your tactics and fits were always subpar. As a tanker, I have no respect for you, and when we meet on the field I will show you how it goes. I'm looking forward to it. I'll be sure to be there when Zion makes some very rich enemies.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:49:00 - [17] - Quote Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 115	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:51:00 - [18] - Quote That's odd, I bring tanks to 75% of pub matches. For one, nearly all my skills are in tanks Two, I like padding my KDR. And I don't seem to lose isk due to knowing how to drive. Its a nuisance that for any semi-decent fit at max skills you have to either use one power grid expander, or two diagnostics (for shields) but all in all its back to the usual. Also I might add for quite some time I was using the inferior sheild tanks, now switching to galente that has greater speed, and able to fit the most powerfull blasters and railguns.
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 156	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:52:00 - [19] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. There were only 25 tankers in Chromosome.e who could do that. Now there are 9. I mean, Chromosome was hard, so we adapted,but this is ridiculous. We need a price reduction OR a huge buff to match the cost.
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 156	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:53:00 - [20] - Quote Patoman Radiant wrote: That's odd, I bring tanks to 75% of pub matches. For one, nearly all my skills are in tanks Two, I like padding my KDR. And I don't seem to lose isk due to knowing how to drive. Its a nuisance that for any semi-decent fit at max skills you have to either use one power grid expander, or two diagnostics (for shields) but all in all its back to the usual. Also I might add for quite some time I was using the inferior sheild tanks, now switching to galente that has greater speed, and able to fit the most powerfull blasters and railguns. +1

Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 116	Posted - 2013.05.21 04:59:00 - [21] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. With rail guns the tanks can do the clearing themselves, that swarmer or forger who stands out in the open makes a easy target. And blasters can make short work of guys charging with AV nades. My strategy of keeping tanks alive is half avoiding enemy fire, half killing the enemy so they stop shooting. Its sometimes hard to identify which infantry has av, so just shoot them all.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 868	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:06:00 - [22] - Quote elite tankers will always find a way to slay with tanks regardless of how up tanks may be atm. With the exception of corps funding tanks outside of PC matches, which is really dumb on the part of the corp, most tankers will run out of their 250 mil isk buffer fromt he build update and soon all you will see are the good tankers clearing the map again, since no one else will be able to afford tanks, which are significantly more expensive now. Unfortunately, if a tank buff doesnt com soon that means tanks will remain the wa ythey are since people will start complaining about tanks being op again. same thing happened last build, tanks were ridiculously up compared to the build before that and there was a wave of buff tank threads until only the good ones remained, then the outcry switced to nerf tanks again. in the end, most people dont want to drop their ar and when they come across a tank and all they have are 3 AV nades and they die, their entitled asses think something is horribly wrong.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 116	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:08:00 - [23] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: The Attorney General wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: LOOK, CCP! NOOB THINKS TANKS ARE UP! And he is right. Mr, noob, there are no vehicles because AV has made them go extinct by being OP. There are about 9 truly good tankers left in this whole game and even less dropship pilots who can last a whole round. Buff vehicles or nerf AV, and youll see them come back, a little. Sadly, too few ppl have specced for them bc theyre so expensive. Don't listen to the scrubs like Charlotte here. Is AV strong? Of course. Are tanks weak? Not really. The reason why scrubs like Charlotte exist is because they cannot possibly fathom how to set up a tank under the new system, and as such get blown up even more than they did when tanks were stronger. For Charlotte, that means an even larger ISK loss than last build. Which has to be unfortunate, because good old Charlotte was never even capable on the ground. To the OP, there are plenty of vehicles in PC matches. That is where the real action is. No sense taking tanks to pub matches, you don't get anything worth the trouble. Would you like to have a tank battle and see who the scrub is? Mr Noob, I assure you, I know what I'm talking about and anyone who says otherwise is not a tanker or dedicated AV merc. If you are such a expert why is it you are having trouble using tanks in the new build. Pub matches are the easiest thing in the world, if you bring a tank and don't suck, its like curb stomping toddlers.
Ilkazar The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:12:00 - [24] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. There were only 25 tankers in Chromosome.e who could do that. Now there are 9. I mean, Chromosome was hard, so we adapted,but this is ridiculous. We need a price reduction OR a huge buff to match the cost. 9 is the new number I'm guessing? there are a lot of dedicated tankers who like to just run PC battles when we can and run the merc battles like I do. I can usually go 4-5 merc battles before losing my tank to the enemy and most of the time its running into squads who all go AV just to kill me. I don't know about you but when the whole team switches to AV just to kill you then loses because they got cloned not running any ground inf with AR I feel like I did my job just fine. Currently with those 5 matches I break near even for my tanks. Until the proto turret damage gets buffed I would suggest running adv because its 1/3 the cost for only losing like 10-20 dps on the blaster turrets. There are still tanks out there don't lose hope Also as advice to people wanting to try tanks or any vehicle out for that matter, make a new character and go AV for a bit to learn how to kill tanks and then you will know as a vehicle runner what situations and areas to avoid. Just my .02 isk
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 869	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:14:00 - [25] - Quote Ilkazar wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. There were only 25 tankers in Chromosome.e who could do that. Now there are 9. I mean, Chromosome was hard, so we adapted,but this is ridiculous. We need a price reduction OR a huge buff to match the cost. 9 is the new number I'm guessing? there are a lot of dedicated tankers who like to just run PC battles when we can and run the merc battles like I do. I can usually go 4-5 merc battles before losing my tank to the enemy and most of the time its running into squads who all go AV just to kill me. I don't know about you but when the whole team switches to AV just to kill you then loses because they got cloned not running any ground inf with AR I feel like I did my job just fine. Currently with those 5 matches I break near even for my tanks. Until the proto turret damage gets buffed I would suggest running adv because its 1/3 the cost for only losing like 10-20 dps on the blaster turrets. There are still tanks out there don't lose hope Also as advice to people wanting to try tanks or any vehicle out for that matter, make a new character and go AV for a bit to learn how to kill tanks and then you will know as a vehicle runner what situations and areas to avoid. Just my .02 isk you need to reevaluate your understanding of tank turrets. its not a difference of 20-30 dps....its a difference of 20-30 damage a shot, with about 7 shots a second on a blaster. the difference is a lot more than a few points of damage...
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:28:00 - [26] - Quote Ludwig Van AssWhoopin wrote: What's a warf ware?. "I'm not a smart Mann, but I know what love is Ginny." I believe it has something to do with this, though it is a bit of a stretch. Perhaps it was an attempt to make AV look like the biggest boss that any of us have seen thus far?
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:33:00 - [27] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: Reality: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. Chromosome: WOOOOO CAN'T TOUCH THIS CHECK IT OUT FIFTY KILLS NO DEATHS IT'S BRITNEY BITCHES Uprising: Troops go first, clear out AV units, tanks move in. There were only 25 tankers in Chromosome.e who could do that. Now there are 9. I mean, Chromosome was hard, so we adapted,but this is ridiculous. We need a price reduction OR a huge buff to match the cost. Membership requirements for this elite club: * Can drive forward, and occasionally backward * At least 3 months experience in AFK and booster usage * Deep-seated need to feel bigger, harder and stronger than everyone else * Belief that if you sink enough SP and ISK into something you should win by default * Ability to QQ in bulk on forums a must For everyone else, there's tanking.
Ilkazar The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.05.21 09:08:00 - [28] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: you need to reevaluate your understanding of tank turrets. its not a difference of 20-30 dps....its a difference of 20-30 damage a shot, with about 7 shots a second on a blaster. the difference is a lot more than a few points of damage... It still does not deviate from my point that the swarms will kill you all the same so why run a blaster that costs 900k isk when you can run one for 300k and get the same effectiveness out of it. It saves a lot of isk in the end Edit: also DPS can stand for damage per shot


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