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Erehwon Rorsch4ch
Forsaken Immortals
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:23:00 -
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Ok,
So you control a district BUT all the buildings and defences deployed in the district are set neutral at the get go.
My idea/suggestion would be that they are already set as the defenders because what kind of army would hold an area and shut down all its defences/resources?
Unless there is some sort of back story or something that covers the rendering of them neutral at the start of a fight?
Maybe you could train a skill or have something you purchase that you can strike an area with before deploying to make them neutral.
Any opinions on this?
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Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
44
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:31:00 -
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I have to agree with this sentiment. Back in Chromosome you could see friendly installations being deployed in Skirmish matches from orbit (like in OMS). They don't do that anymore (probably part of their PS3 optimizations) but it should be the case in Planetary Conquest. Objectives and installations present all belonging to the defender with the attacker having to hack/call in friendly installations. Just makes sense. Maps should have assigned drop points, too, where you can call in reinforcement installations. |
Chankk Saotome
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
297
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:41:00 -
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As these are research, production, and storage facilities, I imagine they have to transition between X-mode and defensive combat-mode so they aren't wasting energy and resources on maintaining a low-altitude NULL cannon or other such support around the base while it is safely churning away at doing whatever it does for a day-job.
There will eventually be the MCC Command position where a commander will be able to call in installations on locations and at this time it would make sense if the attackers only had their MCC and perhaps one CRU to spawn from and the commander would have to call in neutral installations around the map to support his team while the already on-map installations would already belong to the defender who himself or herself could call in MORE defensive installations as well for more strategical placement on the map.
That's well off into the future. Let's get the base mechanics working again before worrying about custom OMS. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
779
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:43:00 -
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If they can't do Skirmish 1.0 / Infiltration yet, they should change things up where every installation is blue to the defenders at the start of the match, but with a grace period where the defenders can still only spawn in their redline or on uplinks and the attackers' MCC takes reduced null cannon damage. Once the grace period is over and/or the attackers capture a point, the defenders can start spawning on blue objectives as normal.
You could also maybe have the installations closest to the attacking redline be neutral at the start, as though the MCC has some kind of EMP weapon that resets installation standings within a set range. Perhaps that could ultimately be a skill for player controlled MCCs; with a wider radius of neutral installations as it is trained up. |
steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
564
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:49:00 -
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My own in fluff to help me see past this is right before an attack a district wide virus is launched that sets everything neutral....this should so be a thing |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1605
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:59:00 -
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Honestly, I think attacking and defending Districts should be where we see Skirmish 1.0 come back.
Defender owns all the structures, but is restricted to hard-spawns.
Attacker has to take everything, but they have their MCC as a mobile spawn and vehicle carrier, and can use its turrets to provide "artillery" support.
You capture the District by taking out defense control uplinks that then leave the null-cannons themselves vulnerable to hacking. |
Erehwon Rorsch4ch
Forsaken Immortals
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:20:00 -
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Cheers for some feedback, so the general feeling on this is the same as mine with a few tweaks which I like the sound of.
I guess the post will need a lot more attention for it to become something CCP look into.
Thankyou for the constructive feedback so far and I look forward to further ideas/suggestions. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1064
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:21:00 -
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This is why we need Skirmish 1.0 back. |
Erehwon Rorsch4ch
Forsaken Immortals
Gentlemen's Agreement
15
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:42:00 -
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Bumping to see if anyone has any further feedback on this. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:05:00 -
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I just wonder why def team should have mcc out there? |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:20:00 -
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+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles. |
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Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
231
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:12:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles.
I love you. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
263
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:16:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles.
Rough ETA? |
J Lav
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:21:00 -
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Agreed, I feel like the attacker should have to overrun a set number of objectives in order like the mcoms in BF. Makes no sense for defenders to be running to the city they are supposed to be defending |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
228
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:26:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles.
Nullabor told us this at Fanfest.
Moral of the story.....
Get your arse to Fanfest next year. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
738
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:44:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Nullabor told us this at Fanfest.
Moral of the story.....
Get your arse to Fanfest next year.
While it was told in FanFest, the quick and easy solution would be to do, as the OP suggested, set the defender to control the null cannons at the start of the game. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:46:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles.
Lets make out. |
steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
584
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:52:00 -
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When because end of the year does not count as coming back |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
607
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:54:00 -
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Hmmm... Next year, at Fanfest, someone get a dev extremely drunk, and milk him for information.
Pretty pretty please? |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
419
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:08:00 -
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also bring back destructible objectives. I loved being able to blow them up, now as a logi, I want to look after them!
if they get destroyed, the MCC / clone count / timer keeps the game running. let logis do maintenance damn it. :) |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
3968
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:10:00 -
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This thread needs more +1.
Team True Grit would love to use it for planetary conquest. Also possibly different mode for different districts. We shall see. :D |
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The Steel Curtain
843 Boot Camp
1
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:15:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles.
Yes bring it back, we like it.
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SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:20:00 -
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Is it going to be called Skirmish 1.0? Or is there going to be a cooler name for it, for example calling the game mode: Infiltration. |
NextDark Slougher
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:26:00 -
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When will my forge gun be able to damage the MCC again? Plz bring this back. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:36:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:This thread needs more +1.
Team True Grit would love to use it for planetary conquest. Also possibly different mode for different districts. We shall see. :D
Can we expect the same sort of "different mode between different areas" when comparing say LowSec battles in DUST to NullSec/W-Sec? |
Yosef Autaal
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:38:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:This thread needs more +1.
Team True Grit would love to use it for planetary conquest. Also possibly different mode for different districts. We shall see. :D
now this is something i would give a +1 for, each district having set game types even team sizes small districts only allow 8v8 while larger ones the16v16
also +1 for skirmish 1.0 |
VicBoss
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
245
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:41:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:This thread needs more +1.
Team True Grit would love to use it for planetary conquest. Also possibly different mode for different districts. We shall see. :D
in addition to the +1 from skirmish 1.0 dev post ^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Would love to pop in a domination for a district  or maybe, just maybe for a super uninhabitable lame almost worthless planet, maybe an ambush. |
Summer-Wolf
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
48
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:50:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles.
Soon (TM), probably next build?
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BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
148
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:53:00 -
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
482
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:34:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:This thread needs more +1.
Team True Grit would love to use it for planetary conquest. Also possibly different mode for different districts. We shall see. :D
Skirmish 1.0 should probably be used for the initial "landfall" when attacking a district. If the attacker wins that match, it goes to normal skirmish on the next scheduled attack. |
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
143
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:47:00 -
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OK yeah bring back original skirmish or even a better version that would be a nice addition to the game mode line up it was always best dust mode |
Skilfer
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
32
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:51:00 -
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This request makes A LOT of sense and therefore I am bumping to hopefully for importance. Perhaps even add am extended campaign version where the there are many more checkpoints between the attacker and the facility(determined by a reinforcement level that you could pay/train up once day if not under attack). When the timer ends, the attacker will resume the attack the next day at the checkpoint they left off at the day before with the same remaining clones they had from the day before! |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2566
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:53:00 -
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Yes bring back the skirmish |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
81
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:03:00 -
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I would love to see engineers installing defenses anx such like on POS
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion of Darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
109
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:17:00 -
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PC definitely needs more of a siege feel to it. It needs to feel more epic.
As it stands now when you show up for battle your land doesn't feel like your land. At least give the defenders a headstart to set up a defensive line so it actually feels like you're attacking something or defending something, not just showing up for a game of ball in the park.
This mode shouldn't be about being equal at the start of battle. It should be about WAR. |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:19:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Hmmm... Next year, at Fanfest, someone get a dev extremely drunk, and milk him for information.
Pretty pretty please?
They do a pretty good job of that themselves with intervention on our part. |
BMSTUBBYxx
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:23:00 -
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PC will fail if this does not happen Sooner that "SoonGäó"
Corps are pi$sed and are getting burnt out fast.
Corps leave say bye bye to PC. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1373
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Posted - 2013.05.25 07:32:00 -
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Erehwon Rorsch4ch wrote:Ok,
So you control a district BUT all the buildings and defences deployed in the district are set neutral at the get go.
My idea/suggestion would be that they are already set as the defenders because what kind of army would hold an area and shut down all its defences/resources?
Unless there is some sort of back story or something that covers the rendering of them neutral at the start of a fight?
Maybe you could train a skill or have something you purchase that you can strike an area with before deploying to make them neutral.
Any opinions on this?
Straight up, the original concept for Skirmish was badass. Take out the first two null cannons and then move on to the city complex where the MCC had to dock with it. Made for some BRUTAL firefights and amazing flow of the battle.
Definitely got my +1 |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
53
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Posted - 2013.05.25 07:47:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:+1
Old skirmish was awesome and we plan on bringing something similar back, especially for PC battles. Rough ETA?
soon
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