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Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1344	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:12:00 - [1] - Quote Scout LAVs are getting another HP boost? What, the 2000 EHP Starter (Free) LAVs and Invincible Logistics LAVs weren't enough? Grand Turismo 514
Rusty Shaklefurd Couch Legion 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:24:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scout LAVs are getting another HP boost? What, the 2000 EHP Starter (Free) LAVs and Invincible Logistics LAVs weren't enough? Grand Turismo 514 More targets for my swarm launcher!!!
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries 118	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:25:00 - [3] - Quote shouldn't it be getting more horsepower rather than health points?
Gorra Snell BetaMax. CRONOS. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:26:00 - [4] - Quote Scout LAVs are terribad, and they're the only ones getting the buff. I agree, free LAVs should go back to 1 AV grenade = 1 flaming chassis.
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 360	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:28:00 - [5] - Quote I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 133	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:29:00 - [6] - Quote Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1345	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:58:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer?
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1345	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:00:00 - [8] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 728	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:00:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper.
FarVision1 FALLEN LEGENDS 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:02:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever. Agreed. Vehicles should be a luxury item.

FarVision1 FALLEN LEGENDS 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:02:00 - [11] - Quote You can snipe solo LAV drivers out of their seats. One you hack their car, can you Recall it to use it later?
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 133	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:03:00 - [12] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper. That.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 406	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:06:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. I knew all about the reduced effectiveness of my AV versus starter LAVs, but last night was the first time I blasted one with a large rail gun. Two shots! Lol
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 332	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:08:00 - [14] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: shouldn't it be getting more horsepower rather than health points? Exactly. In fact in my opinion they should lose the mounted turret and become insanely fast.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 728	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:09:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever. Railguns reward accuracy, shoot the infantry out or stop complaining and fire that second shot.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 300	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:10:00 - [16] - Quote I actually wouldnt mind messing with the logi LAV but even with the lower SP cost, I dont want to split my points.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 109	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:13:00 - [17] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper. My Methana is assault recon fit - damage control, active scanner, overdrive, energized plating, and 60mm plate, and a blaster turret. No reps, just evac to a supply depot and sit the vehicle next to it. Free reps. If you drive well, you'll never lose it, and it's handy for revealing secret enemy hidy holes. And killing people, especially with turret gunner on board. Turret gunners don't get nearly as much credit as they deserve, I had a great one the other day.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 109	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:16:00 - [18] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: Greasepalms wrote: shouldn't it be getting more horsepower rather than health points? Exactly. In fact in my opinion they should lose the mounted turret and become insanely fast. And that's the beauty of customizable loadouts. Go for a speed fit and ditch the turret if you want.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 728	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:17:00 - [19] - Quote Jaron Pollard wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper. My Methana is assault recon fit - damage control, active scanner, overdrive, energized plating, and 60mm plate, and a blaster turret. No reps, just evac to a supply depot and sit the vehicle next to it. Free reps. If you drive well, you'll never lose it, and it's handy for revealing secret enemy hidy holes. And killing people, especially with turret gunner on board. Turret gunners don't get nearly as much credit as they deserve, I had a great one the other day. Dependance on something relatively easy to destroy isn't the most favorable way, especially when no other vehicle depends on them as much, besides if you can't repair mid combat you won't last long after someone pulls our Av.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1347	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:20:00 - [20] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper. Okay, so defeating the purpose of it being a Scout LAV, which has reduced defenses for speed. Sorry if I sound conceited.

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 728	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:22:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper. Okay, so defeating the purpose of it being a Scout LAV, which has reduced defenses for speed. Sorry if I sound conceited. That's on the standard, with engineering 4. And why does durability not count as a scout trait when speed isn't lost?
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 255	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:24:00 - [22] - Quote CCP you seriously need to take a look at this buff. Free LAVs are bad enough...but resilient free ones? COME NOW.
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 26	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:30:00 - [23] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever. thats a lie. i one shot them all the time, every match, with a railgun.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1082	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:31:00 - [24] - Quote Why dont ppl skill into AV?
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 26	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:31:00 - [25] - Quote FarVision1 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever. Agreed. Vehicles should be a luxury item. then your proto gear should be luxury items as well
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 333	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:34:00 - [26] - Quote On a similar note, since Scout LAVs are more about speed and cross-country travel, they should have vastly improved suspension system so they don't flip over or lose control when going over hills.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 728	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:37:00 - [27] - Quote The only problem that have ever gone on with lavs has been durability, now I think they should lose about 10% of their buff, but only free lavs.
Shotgun Rhino Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:44:00 - [28] - Quote Just point A to point B is what I say. Don't need to invest anyway. People is using that thing like a ram. It's kind of funny when people try to hit me with it and miss 4 times.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1347	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:44:00 - [29] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: The only problem that have ever gone on with lavs has been durability, now I think they should lose about 10% of their buff, but only free lavs. Why the bloody hell are LAVs supposed to have durability? I mean - come on here - your car hits a deer it doesn't keep going on to run over the rest of the herd.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 728	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:48:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: The only problem that have ever gone on with lavs has been durability, now I think they should lose about 10% of their buff, but only free lavs. Why the bloody hell are LAVs supposed to have durability? I mean - come on here - your car hits a deer it doesn't keep going on to run over the rest of the herd. That's a car, as in it's not meant for Combat situations. Btw, real life has no place here.

Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 196	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:54:00 - [31] - Quote Free LAVs wouldnt be an issue if they reworked the scan mechanics to make sense. 10M? Really? 10M should be base, but then percision should get higher the further out it gets. So at 20M my percision should be 50%, 30M, 25% etc. And then LAV and HAV and the like you have massive profiles, so folks can see them coming from a ways out.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1605	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:55:00 - [32] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scout LAVs are getting another HP boost? What, the 2000 EHP Starter (Free) LAVs and Invincible Logistics LAVs weren't enough? Grand Turismo 514 Remember FanFest? How Brandon Laurino (CCP Jian) described the Speeder as "the new solo vehicle of Dust"? I think the days of the free and unlimited Militia LAV are numbered.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 114	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:59:00 - [33] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Because Gallente LAVs still die from one AV grenade if you don't put shield modules on. Problem is, they have such low CPU and PG its pretty hard to fit them. What the hell are you trying to fit on this damned thing? A Heavy Armor Repairer? A single plate and repper. My Methana is assault recon fit - damage control, active scanner, overdrive, energized plating, and 60mm plate, and a blaster turret. No reps, just evac to a supply depot and sit the vehicle next to it. Free reps. If you drive well, you'll never lose it, and it's handy for revealing secret enemy hidy holes. And killing people, especially with turret gunner on board. Turret gunners don't get nearly as much credit as they deserve, I had a great one the other day. Dependance on something relatively easy to destroy isn't the most favorable way, especially when no other vehicle depends on them as much, besides if you can't repair mid combat you won't last long after someone pulls our Av. Don't be silly, I've taken AV hits, and then gotten the hell outta there. If I can't rep it, I'll have it recalled. Or, I'll go out in a blaze of glory. Passive tanking for the win. Believe it or not, the resistance plating, 60mm and damage control make it pretty freakin tough. And most stuff I can dodge anyway. I've probably avoided more than ~60% of AV fire coming my Methana's way. You just gotta know how to use obstacles to obscure line of sight with swarm launchers, and then just be fast as a ninja on amphetamines.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1349	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:13:00 - [34] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: The only problem that have ever gone on with lavs has been durability, now I think they should lose about 10% of their buff, but only free lavs. Why the bloody hell are LAVs supposed to have durability? I mean - come on here - your car hits a deer it doesn't keep going on to run over the rest of the herd. That's a car, as in it's not meant for Combat situations. Btw, real life has no place here. Oh, don't even start with that non-sense. I've seen you use that argument in both ways a hundred times on these forums, Vermaak. Vehicles meant for Combat Situations - as you call them - are still vulnerable to the destructive forces. In real life -AND- in video games. They are LIGHT Attack Vehicles with HP ratios similar to Chromosome TANKS. They're meant for maneuvering around the battlefield, not single handedly removing Proto Heavies because they can't move out of the way fast enough. ESPECIALLY THE FREE LAVS. LAVs should take as much damage as the person they hit has in Hitpoints. Heavy with 800 total HP? That much damage to the LAV. Real Life or a Video Game, Car or a Combat Vehicle - PHYSICS ****ING MATTERS!
Nguruthos IV Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:14:00 - [35] - Quote I find it odd that CCP hasn't the time to follow through with the DS price decrease stated in Uprising patch notes. But has been able to buff every other vehicle in patches since then. I could be totally ignorant but I was under the impression that to lower the cost of DS by "Approximately half" all one had to do was edit a line in their database. Which I also was under the impression they could do overnight if not live.
Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 273	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:30:00 - [36] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scout LAVs are getting another HP boost? What, the 2000 EHP Starter (Free) LAVs and Invincible Logistics LAVs weren't enough? Grand Turismo 514 Dude if they made the physics of the LAVs so you could drift like gran turismo, you'd see me in a subaru space impreza Gymkhana around the entire map LOL. Ride height: -20 front/ -18 back. Dampers Ext/Compression: 5/6- 5/4 Camber: 1.0/1.8 Toe angle: +.30/-.10 Torque diffy: 30/70 LSD: 5/5/5 front/ 55/60/5 rear Aerodynamic: 5 front/ 12 rear Sport hard tires. Sorry... I'm a huge GT fan....
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 729	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:31:00 - [37] - Quote This is one of the few times I argue mentioning real life like mechanics. Why should it not be able to take a meager amount of damage? Yes it's still vulnerable to the same things, it's just no longer a stream of easy kills moving fast and usually out of control. A second shot out of most weapons that ohk lavs last build is nothing. And for good measure gameplay > physics
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 38	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:46:00 - [38] - Quote My only wish is that I can quickly stack a block under me Minecraft-like when I see an approaching LAV so that the LAV hits the block of dirt instead and blows up. :daydream:
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1351	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:09:00 - [39] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: This is one of the few times I argue mentioning real life like mechanics. Why should it not be able to take a meager amount of damage? Yes it's still vulnerable to the same things, it's just no longer a stream of easy kills moving fast and usually out of control. A second shot out of most weapons that ohk lavs last build is nothing. And for good measure gameplay > physics There's nothing good about it, and it's not gameplay it's an imbalance. Free suit/Free LAV > Proto Heavy with HMG. Makes no sense at all. Why spec into anything when I can spec into Standard LAVs with Armor/Shield skills to 5? And don't even get me started on Logistics LAVs. 3 Advanced AV Grenades and two Prototype Plasma Cannon rounds and he manages to drive off into the sunset to repair and come back for more. LAVs should not be one man death machines.
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 63	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:32:00 - [40] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever. Sorry to break it to you, but that is never going to happen now that the new Merc packs sell special LAV BPOs. If it was just the same free LAV that everyone gets then they could take it away. But now that I've paid for something with the understanding I could use it indefinitely, they can't just take it away.

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 729	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:35:00 - [41] - Quote They aren't, they just finally got variants that weren't made of paper. It's not an imbalance when it takes you going full speed to kill, especially when you have to go in a straight line or risk flipping over. I kill lavs with my advanced plasma launcher, including logi lavs, why can't you? Also it usually takes < 4 without nades
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:36:00 - [42] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: FarVision1 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: I mean its good for the players who will drive the LAVS. Why complain about them... Im sure you will find the time to drive a LAV. Plus if you hate it, get better AV... Oh wait so many complain and suggest AV nerfs... DAFUQ - Geth Dude - are you kidding? Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. Get rid of the Free LAVs. Permanently. Forever. Agreed. Vehicles should be a luxury item. then your proto gear should be luxury items as well It is. Proto gear costs isk and SP to use.
Raizor Feddie On The Brink CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:37:00 - [43] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scout LAVs are getting another HP boost? What, the 2000 EHP Starter (Free) LAVs and Invincible Logistics LAVs weren't enough? Grand Turismo 514 Oh no...Moar Tears, and a new name for DUST! Better than when they could get one shotted by...Anything. Pack AV grenades Noobeth.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1351	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:17:00 - [44] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: They aren't, they just finally got variants that weren't made of paper. It's not an imbalance when it takes you going full speed to kill, especially when you have to go in a straight line or risk flipping over. I kill lavs with my advanced plasma launcher, including logi lavs, why can't you? Also it usually takes < 4 without nades Video or it didn't happen. I legitimately and very seriously do not believe you and am absolutely certain that you are a liar, and confident enough to call you out on it. Also, it doesn't take you going full speed to kill. It takes you just barely grazing them with the front end at all.
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 143	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:31:00 - [45] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scout LAVs are getting another HP boost? What, the 2000 EHP Starter (Free) LAVs and Invincible Logistics LAVs weren't enough? Grand Turismo 514 Did you try getting prototype swarm launchers to kill proto LAVs? It works. Are you mad your cheater hacked AV nades dont OHK it? How about your swarm launchers? And the LAVs gettting buffed were the scout ones which NOBODY uses, so calm down. Only the former tankers will even consider using them and thats a very, very small percent of the player base. Why don't you just enjoy your OP TAC AR
JX1 Goonfeet 31	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:44:00 - [46] - Quote Why are my starter free LAVs nowhere near 2000 EHP, on my gimmick alt that puts all points into vehicle upgrades? Post a photo of your screen, I'd like to see if I'm playing on glitched accounts or not.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 326	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:29:00 - [47] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Railguns can't even one shot Militia LAVs anymore. I knew all about the reduced effectiveness of my AV versus starter LAVs, but last night was the first time I blasted one with a large rail gun. Two shots! Lol This makes me sad considering large rails 2-shot my Python.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 730	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:32:00 - [48] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: They aren't, they just finally got variants that weren't made of paper. It's not an imbalance when it takes you going full speed to kill, especially when you have to go in a straight line or risk flipping over. I kill lavs with my advanced plasma launcher, including logi lavs, why can't you? Also it usually takes < 4 without nades Video or it didn't happen. I legitimately and very seriously do not believe you and am absolutely certain that you are a liar, and confident enough to call you out on it. Also, it doesn't take you going full speed to kill. It takes you just barely grazing them with the front end at all. I call bs on barely grazing, that was changed during chromosome to only do a tiny amount of damage, and why should I have to prove my story when you didn't prove yours involving multiple av nades?
Killar-12 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:53:00 - [49] - Quote Let the Militia LAV's money like how Militia Tanks and Dropships do cost, not much but enough to prevent murdertaxis from coming in. How about better PG for standard LAV's I should be able to fit at least the basic armor reppers and 60mm plates to the Methana. Logistics LAV's are (fairly) Balanced, Remeber Logi LAV's are meant to reapair HAV's Scout LAV's... ... Well the jury is out on them because I've never even looked at them.


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