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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:17:00 -
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So here we do have a game mechanic in PC which is exploitable - Basically atm any member of a corp can play in a PC battle without permissions from anyone, all you need is to be in the corp and if you make a squad you can drag in 5 other members from any clan
Now atm basically all members from the CPM which 3 of them are with CRONOS back the use of this, Kain is against it and Hans is too busy playing EVE to give a ****
It is metagaming but at the very lowest level because its not infiltration or spying, its sabotage plain and simple by exploiting a half baked mode atm
Corps are massive right now and no one can boot ppl out or even prevent ppl from going into matches, this will be eventually fixed and infact has to be because it will break the game and produce the blue donut more quickly
Also as a consequence new players are ******, new players will not be able to join any of the big corps in fear of having a spy let in to flip the game, they cant make ther own because the same can happen to them and also its damn hard to get into PC since its costly so they get a the real short end of the stick
If anything spying and infiltration should be a long time in the making and not a simple case of join said clan, join a battle and TK then get kicked at the end
If this is fixed eventually it maybe too late, in general the alliances which have abused this mechanic more than most may as a consequence hold more districts thus more ISK so they can wage war for longer but if they cannot defend ther districts then they will lose so while they have the upperhand by using underhanded tactics if they are not good they will lose it all eventually
So basically the CPM says its fine, well 4 of the 5 do atm
Now onto the exploitable game mechanic that is AFK farming
Its done easily, doesnt effect anyone except the team and may lose as a consequence, you do nothing but still earn SP and ISK
Now again some of the CPM are against this also, but it doesnt effect or hurt anyone and in pub matches who the hell cares anyways
Onto OB/WP mechanic
The WARRIORS were the best at this and found it 1st, they damaged ther own tank and repaired it to earn WP and earn OB
Now as a logi you should get points for reapairs but instead CCP made it so you cant gain pts very quickly and also none for damaging your own vehicle
Again no CPM at this time but generally everyone was against it because in pub matches 10 OB from 1 person would be dropped and you would earn the max amount of SP/ISK that you could get and **** everyone off
Thing is tho everyone got reset and they fixed it
So out of the 3 main game mechanics that have been exploited the latest one is the one which effects everything from new players to vets and corps in general
Also noted the CPM in general tends to not like stuff which effects them maybe in ther game but if it gives them an advantage in something which is worth alot more than the pub matches then they will do it and throw everything out of the window to achieve it
The ppl who do PC and 'sabotage' matches call it metagaming, other corps who see this just call the corps in question of having 'no gungame' but with AFK farming and the OB/WP/AFK farming its generally classed as cheating to gain the upperhand without doing or risking anything which PC sabotage is
Myself I have done OB/WP farming and AFK farming, i havnt sabotaged PC battles but if i was going to i would prefer it to be hard where i have to join the clan, gain ther trust, fight in a few battles and try and get promoted and roles where i can really burn the house down instead of spamming x for a TK battle in which you get kicked after. But i have used game mechanics and exploited them, i know i was exploiting them but i knew eventually they would be fixed and that they should be fixed for the good of the game, for it to survive.
But also OB/WP/AFK farming is not cheating for me, PC sabotage isnt cheating but its exploiting of a broken half baked mode in which its those who have better tactics/gungame win
I cannot see how CPM members can be against the WP/OB/AFK farming mechanics yet support the broken PC mechanic, exploiting a broken game mechanic is still exploiting it weather you are doing it yourself or someone else is or even your corp/alliance is doing it
As CPM memebers i have heard that you talk to CCP and in general pass the communitys thoughts on for the good fo the game etc yet all i see is CPM members being hypocrites because they are against other exploited mechanics yet in favour of another because it benefits them and ther corp/alliance
CPM0 is a joke
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:29:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
None of the current CPM area actually in favor of what we have now, trust me.
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Bollocks
That massive thread that got locked they basically supported it, 3 of them are in the same alliance and 2 in the same corp which are openly doing it while nova knife is fine with it
Yet they are against AFK farming |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 12:00:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:If the CPM was encouraging CCP to keep these things for the advantage of their own corps, they wouldn't have told anyone else about it. They would be using them quietly, so that they and only they would have this advantage. However, everyone knows about these things, so no one is getting any unfair advantage that other people don't have equal access to.
And though some of the CPM have used these tactics, they have also said they support measures that CCP is looking into to mitigate the 'exploits'.
Finally, try not to forget that this CPM is primarily here to figure out the future implementation of CPMs. Discussion of other game mechanics is secondary and something we should all take as a bonus, rather than feel entitled to.
Thats like me saying im only doing the WP/OB mecahnic so it gets fixed quicker yet i got hammered by everyone calling me a cheater
Its BS and they know it, they are doing it to gain an obvious advantage which is ISK |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:38:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Seriously, there are still people whining about this?
CCP are looking at this. Buck up, mate. Everyone agrees that in it's current state it's not working as intended.
I personally support the role more than kicking, as the role allows more long-term consequences for not doing your homework about anyone you let into PC, and that spies and traitors actually affect the outcome of the match rather than just be kicked after the first teamkill and not affect the match at all.
Also, like Mobius said, if you have spies in the corp you need better recruitment policies.
Its not a whine thread
Its more or less a thread about consequences and hyprocrites over broken mechanics and who it really effects |
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