DUST Search - Getting a full skill respec after "Graduating" from the battle academy

Mossellia Delt wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

@Bubba

It doesn't matter anymore whether or not Eve and Dust are different. They are still operating under the same rules as I mentioned above and those rules don't care if you are a PC MMO player or a console FPS player. You should have seen how Eve start in your case. Eve Online came into a market dominated by hand-holding, themepark-driven MMOs that cater to players of the lowest common denominator. When Eve first launched in 2003, people kept saying how the game will fail because it was too harsh and didn't give players any option to undo their mistakes and that the graphics were so bad that even EA games laughed at CCP for even trying to compete. 10 years later, Eve is now a direct competitor to most MMOs out there including World of Warcraft and Guild Wars while EA games has learned to shove its own foot into its stupid mouth after Earth and Beyond failed to live up to its hype. Even its own economy rivals that of all other games so much that Guild Wars 2 tried to copy it but failed miserably.

Where are the doomsayers now? Oh yeah! They're here complaining about how Dust will fail.

Im sorry but direct competitors? Do you live in a fantasy world? CCP filed a niche market that no one else cares to go for. Guess what, they have around 50k active subscribers. Now, lets count that to other MMO's who have 500k +. Yes, they are certianly direct compitition.
Please, pull your head out of your colon.


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote -1 No, that is not a typo. That is a negative in front of the one. New Eden, the very universe in which Dust 514 players are entering, is a very unforgiving place. It is so harsh that every mistake you make, whether it is informed or uninformed, is stuck with you until the day you delete your character or until the servers shutdown permanently (whichever comes first... usually the deleting part does). New Eden is also home to some of the toughest players in the galaxy: Eve Online players who are otherwise known as Capsuleers. When a new Capsuleer is born, they are given only a miniscule amount of SP to start which is about 900,000 SP with only 50,000 ISK in their wallet alone with a single rookie ship fitted with a civilian turret and a civilian mining laser plus one unit of tritanium worth only about 5 ISK a piece depending on the current market. From there, the players are given a series of tutorials to help them decide what their future can be while still giving them the option to cross train into other skill sets. There are no respecs given for skill points. The only respec that player gets is for attributes which allows the player to decide which skills get trained faster and which skills take longer to train as a consequence and that option only comes once a year (again, SP is never reallocated). Only a part of their SP gets reimbursed back to them whenever CCP makes changes to the skill tree that is considered extensive and even then the amount refunded to them is minor at best compared to the 50 million SP the average Eve player has. But still, overall the new players are never given a single respec. They are forced to live the mistakes of their choices in Eve Online. It has been like this for 10 years and so far there has only been one, I say again, ONE respec in its entire existence. Dust 514 is operating under the rules of New Eden which are as follows: 1. Adapt or Die 2. Don't use what you cannot afford to lose. 3. Accept the permanent consequences of your choices and move on. They're are also the core principles of New Eden. They are as relevant to Eve and Dust as the Holy Bible is to a devout Christian and Catholic. Messing with these core principles or basic rules is like trying to mess with the natural order of things. The outcome will not be pretty. If you are not willing to accept the consequences of your choices, whether your decisions were ill-informed or well-informed, then you have only two choices. Harden up or get the hell out of New Eden. Welcome to New Eden. The harshest and most brutal universe in the history of MMO and FPSs.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:15:00 - [2] - Quote @Bubba Yes. Since 2008 and still playing to this day. I use to be a member of one of the powerblocs of null-sec, I have specialized in industry and mine rocks for a living. I have learned and understood the dynamic forces of the player-driven market so that I can profit from trade. I have ganked miners unprovoked. I have been ganked by pirates (and survived all of them). I have helped a corporation build up from the bare minimums that they started with. I have hunted pirates and outlaws in the past and often failed because they were better than me. And I have made mistakes in the past that costed me dearly yet I learn to live with those mistakes. I am a hardened Eve Online player. Any more questions?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: +1 Increase the graduation timer to 2 million SP or 100,000 WP, whichever comes first. Then make it clear it's a one-time thing. Also give them the option of which game mode to play. I heard it was just random now. Don't really give a damn what a harsh world EvE Online is. They are, after all, trying to expand their playerbase for a reason, and the two just might be related. Newbies are going to make mistakes, it's what most newbies do. Give them one chance to rectify those mistakes, and if they screw up again, too bad. They're still going to have a huge disadvantage against vets even after fixing their mistakes, no reason to exacerbate it. No. My reasons are clear enough as it is. EDIT: Except for the 100,000 WP part. 10,000 WP is too little of a requirement to graduate.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:35:00 - [4] - Quote @Bubba It doesn't matter anymore whether or not Eve and Dust are different. They are still operating under the same rules as I mentioned above and those rules don't care if you are a PC MMO player or a console FPS player. You should have seen how Eve start in your case. Eve Online came into a market dominated by hand-holding, themepark-driven MMOs that cater to players of the lowest common denominator. When Eve first launched in 2003, people kept saying how the game will fail because it was too harsh and didn't give players any option to undo their mistakes and that the graphics were so bad that even EA games laughed at CCP for even trying to compete. 10 years later, Eve is now a direct competitor to most MMOs out there including World of Warcraft and Guild Wars while EA games has learned to shove its own foot into its stupid mouth after Earth and Beyond failed to live up to its hype. Even its own economy rivals that of all other games so much that Guild Wars 2 tried to copy it but failed miserably. Where are the doomsayers now? Oh yeah! They're here complaining about how Dust will fail.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:53:00 - [5] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Bubba It doesn't matter anymore whether or not Eve and Dust are different. They are still operating under the same rules as I mentioned above and those rules don't care if you are a PC MMO player or a console FPS player. You should have seen how Eve start in your case. Eve Online came into a market dominated by hand-holding, themepark-driven MMOs that cater to players of the lowest common denominator. When Eve first launched in 2003, people kept saying how the game will fail because it was too harsh and didn't give players any option to undo their mistakes and that the graphics were so bad that even EA games laughed at CCP for even trying to compete. 10 years later, Eve is now a direct competitor to most MMOs out there including World of Warcraft and Guild Wars while EA games has learned to shove its own foot into its stupid mouth after Earth and Beyond failed to live up to its hype. Even its own economy rivals that of all other games so much that Guild Wars 2 tried to copy it but failed miserably. Where are the doomsayers now? Oh yeah! They're here complaining about how Dust will fail. Im sorry but direct competitors? Do you live in a fantasy world? CCP filed a niche market that no one else cares to go for. Guess what, they have around 50k active subscribers. Now, lets count that to other MMO's who have 500k +. Yes, they are certianly direct compitition. Please, pull your head out of your colon. Eve Online: 500,000+ subscribers who created a universe so dynamic that they're stories are the envy of others. WoW: About 5,000,000+ subscribers who never created their universe and don't really have anything epic going on. Forbes.com has ranked Eve Online as the only MMO that has benefited from steady subscription growth since its birth in 2003 while WoW experiences so many ups and downs that it can't keep a steady climb of players. Hard to say I'm living in a fantasy world when the facts are clear cut.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:56:00 - [6] - Quote Any more challengers?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:03:00 - [7] - Quote @Mosselia 500K quality subscribers for Eve. Sure. there are alts, but you can say the same thing for other MMOs. Tell me, have you ever seen another MMO that allows you so much control over the market, scam other players, gank them unprovoked, cause massive grief in the trade hubs, and create schemes and battles so epic they even brought meta gaming to a whole new level? I thought so. Here, let me show you one example: www.themittani.com
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:09:00 - [8] - Quote http://themittani.com/news/dust-514-eve-culture-shock-and-grief-university
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:17:00 - [9] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Any more challengers? oh....you're just a jackass...that makes a little more sense now Yeah, I can be like that sometimes. No, don't want a cookie for achieving that.