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DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:26:00 -
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I heard a rumour about new boosters, anyone know anything about the
2x 3x
Active Boosters?
I read a thread about "Omega" booster came out in March, so they've done it before.
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Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:27:00 -
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I think they were broken and temporarily removed.
I cant confirm this though. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:30:00 -
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Honestly, I hope never. 1.5x is good, but 2x and 3x are getting too far into the pay-to-win. But eh, at the end of the day CCP needs to make money so we'll see. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:36:00 -
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I believe they were cancelled. Good thing too, imho. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:39:00 -
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Thank god for CPM |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:45:00 -
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Actually they were only canceled because of an issue getting them to queue up properly with currently active boosters. Hopefully CCP realized how much of a mistake it would to introduce something like that before the market is up and running and the phrase "pay 2 win" will be banished instantly from the forums for ever and ever never to return and the forums will become a civilized place full of intelligent and incitement conversations and civil discourse. And the we'll also zip around on unicorns all day while merrily dividing by zero. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:51:00 -
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We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
525
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. When you have this talk tell them they need to make it only for players with less than a certain amount of SP. Say 5 mil or so. Get the price point where it needs to be and I'd wager that will be a fairly popular item. |
JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:27:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. When you have this talk tell them they need to make it only for players with less than a certain amount of SP. Say 5 mil or so. Get the price point where it needs to be and I'd wager that will be a fairly popular item.
I totally disagree. You had just as much opportunity to play this game since tranquility migration as the rest of us. No advantage should be given to you or anyone with less sp simply bc you chose not to play. A lot of people forced themselves to grind in a unfinished and unpolished game for the same of beta testing. We earned our sp fair and square so sit down and grind lik the rest if us had to. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it.
Do you mean you did this as CPM? Did they have plans of putting them back in soon? |
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XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it.
Is omega just a name for x2 and x3 boosters? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:41:00 -
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Centurion mkII wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. Do you mean you did this as CPM? Did they have plans of putting them back in soon?
Yes, 5-14 is when they where supposed to come back. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:42:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. Is omega just a name for x2 and x3 boosters?
If i remember correctly the omega 7 day booster was a x2 booster. The downtime of the day they were adding them they cancelled it and said they were delayed indefinitely |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Centurion mkII wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. Do you mean you did this as CPM? Did they have plans of putting them back in soon? Yes, 5-14 is when they where supposed to come back.
Okay ty! |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4412
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:46:00 -
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Centurion mkII wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. Is omega just a name for x2 and x3 boosters? If i remember correctly the omega 7 day booster was a x2 booster. The downtime of the day they were adding them they cancelled it and said they were delayed indefinitely
Yup because of that it gave us sufficient time to put a boot on that issue before it came back out.
Originally the problem with THAT booster is that when applied it ate your previous booster thus if you had a 30 days left then threw on an omega it would then those 30 days went poof.
That was fixed in uprising with booster queuing but CPM argued against it until we had a chance to talk about it in detail with CCP on the issue as most of the CPM views the 'super premium' item as not just 'pay to win' but 'payers would win.' sort of deal. CPM also knows that CCP IS A BUSINESS and needs money to continue to develop Dust 514 so we're going to be having talks about how best meet both goals of being fair to you guys, preventing rampancy spending, and keeping CCP funded. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:13:00 -
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Oh well, I was gonna buy the Elite pack and get those 3X boosters. |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Centurion mkII wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We urged CCP to delay plans for the omega booster until we had the talk with them about it. Is omega just a name for x2 and x3 boosters? If i remember correctly the omega 7 day booster was a x2 booster. The downtime of the day they were adding them they cancelled it and said they were delayed indefinitely Yup because of that it gave us sufficient time to put a boot on that issue before it came back out. Originally the problem with THAT booster is that when applied it ate your previous booster thus if you had a 30 days left then threw on an omega it would then those 30 days went poof. That was fixed in uprising with booster queuing but CPM argued against it until we had a chance to talk about it in detail with CCP on the issue as most of the CPM views the 'super premium' item as not just 'pay to win' but 'payers would win.' sort of deal. CPM also knows that CCP IS A BUSINESS and needs money to continue to develop Dust 514 so we're going to be having talks about how best meet both goals of being fair to you guys, preventing rampancy spending, and keeping CCP funded.
Like someone else said, if you can put the idea in their head of keeping the larger XP boosters to lower SP players, that would be outstanding. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:22:00 -
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This game is already pay to win (like seriously, are u guys kidding yourselves?)
"Short on skill... purchase Aurum.... " isn't that what the lady says before battle lol
Why are we able to buy things with Aurum? Is that not pay to win?
3X Boosters is no different it's PAY TO WIN
PS. Once u introduce "Pay to Win" you can't try and say "Oh this is ok... but this is not.." |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
296
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:15:00 -
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DRE PrEaCh wrote:
PS. Once u introduce "Pay to Win" you can't try and say "Oh this is ok... but this is not.."
This part I will disagree with. Just because you can pay to win or pay to gain an advantage does not mean everything is acceptable now. I see nothing wrong with AUR items and boosters as it is now. Now if they introduse a AUR weapon that is 8000 DPS fits in a sidearm slot, ect ect. THAT would be too much, that is where you can draw the line.
Just because there is a level of pay to win, does not mean there shouldent be a ballencing act to keep it level. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:41:00 -
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Ok I understand there has to be a "balancing act to keep it level"
butttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Chromosome build had 175 Multipliers TOTAL
Uprising: 581 Multipliers TOTAL
1 Multiplier is 310,920
175 x 310,920 = 54,411,000
So, It used to take 54 million to build a full character.
Now:
581 x 310,920 = 180,644,520
Now it takes 180 million for a full character.
Now I know that you're supposed to specialize in something which would mean you don't need 180 million SP but there's a million reasons why players need MORE SP, or even a full character, so when you look at the boosters as they are now, and do some calculations:
1. If you play every week for 1 year (52 weeks) and you reach the cap with active boosters you get:
14,851,200 SP
2. If you put a passive booster for 1 year you get:
13,870,000 SP
so that's
28,721,200 SP Per year
now divide 180,644,520 by 28,721,200 which is
6.29 years for a full character.
I think we need better boosters :) |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4419
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:42:00 -
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DRE PrEaCh wrote:Ok I understand there has to be a "balancing act to keep it level"
butttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Chromosome build had 175 Multipliers TOTAL
Uprising: 581 Multipliers TOTAL
1 Multiplier is 310,920
175 x 310,920 = 54,411,000
So, It used to take 54 million to build a full character.
Now:
581 x 310,920 = 180,644,520
Now it takes 180 million for a full character.
Now I know that you're supposed to specialize in something which would mean you don't need 180 million SP but there's a million reasons why players need MORE SP, or even a full character, so when you look at the boosters as they are now, and do some calculations:
1. If you play every week for 1 year (52 weeks) and you reach the cap with an active boosters you get:
14,851,200 SP
2. If you put a passive booster for 1 year you get:
13,870,000 SP
so that's
28,721,200 SP Per year
now divide 180,644,520 by 28,721,200 which is
6.29 years for a full character.
I think we need better boosters :)
Your math is off its 255 million.
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Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:43:00 -
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These boosters sound horrible. 2x or even 3x boosters definitely tip the whole "pay to improve your gameplay experience by faster progress" concept to "pay to have anything resemling a chance of a level playing field in all non casual content"
CCP has to be very carefull with adding such products. When the difference between paying and not paying gets too large people tend to stop bothering, rather than start spending.
Consumers like choice and incentive. Not pressure and necessity. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:44:00 -
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then it would take even longer than 6.29 years lol |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:45:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:These boosters sound horrible. 2x or even 3x boosters definitely tip the whole "pay to improve your gameplay experience by faster progress" concept to "pay to have anything resemling a chance of a level playing field in all non casual content"
CCP has to be very carefull with adding such products. When the difference between paying and not paying gets too large people tend to stop bothering, rather than start spending.
Consumers like choice and incentive. Not pressure and necessity.
Just look at the math my friend, do you think players will play the game for 6.29 years?
Is the Playstation 3 Going to be around for that long?
How about the PS4 ?
Are games going to be the same in 6.29 years?
Technology gonna be the same then? |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:50:00 -
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DRE PrEaCh wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:These boosters sound horrible. 2x or even 3x boosters definitely tip the whole "pay to improve your gameplay experience by faster progress" concept to "pay to have anything resemling a chance of a level playing field in all non casual content"
CCP has to be very carefull with adding such products. When the difference between paying and not paying gets too large people tend to stop bothering, rather than start spending.
Consumers like choice and incentive. Not pressure and necessity. Just look at the math my friend, do you think players will play the game for 6.29 years? Is the Playstation 3 Going to be around for that long? How about the PS4 ? Are games going to be the same in 6.29 years? Technology gonna be the same then? The skill system is not designed to be maxed out in the first place. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4419
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:53:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:DRE PrEaCh wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:These boosters sound horrible. 2x or even 3x boosters definitely tip the whole "pay to improve your gameplay experience by faster progress" concept to "pay to have anything resemling a chance of a level playing field in all non casual content"
CCP has to be very carefull with adding such products. When the difference between paying and not paying gets too large people tend to stop bothering, rather than start spending.
Consumers like choice and incentive. Not pressure and necessity. Just look at the math my friend, do you think players will play the game for 6.29 years? Is the Playstation 3 Going to be around for that long? How about the PS4 ? Are games going to be the same in 6.29 years? Technology gonna be the same then? The skill system is not designed to be maxed out in the first place.
Nor was this game designed to stay on the PS3. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 22:01:00 -
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My point was when you make it so that people realize that they can never "complete" a character and play this game at the highest level then people don't see the point in continuing towards that goal and quit early.
It's like having a never ending game.
People like "endings"
I think you guys are scared of people maxing out a character cuz you see it's "unfair"
what you don't realize is players who dominate continuously get bored and move on ANYWAY.
What people want to see is a maxed out character going against another maxed out character, that's simple curiosity and what u guys are saying is "forget bout curiosity, the sp system isn't designed to be maxed out.. we don't want people to max out their characters"
What i'm also saying is, when players realize that it takes 6 years to max out a character playing non stop and paying lot's of money, they don't bother trying and so the game no longer peaks their curiosity, it no longer keeps the players stimulated to reach that goal.
Anyone who says "no... i don't want a maxed out character" is lying to themselves and to you. EVERYBODY wants to be/have THE BEST, that's how it is! |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.05.19 22:10:00 -
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DRE PrEaCh wrote:My point was when you make it so that people realize that they can never "complete" a character and play this game at the highest level then people don't see the point in continuing towards that goal and quit early.
It's like having a never ending game.
People like "endings"
I think you guys are scared of people maxing out a character cuz you see it's "unfair"
what you don't realize is players who dominate continuously get bored and move on ANYWAY.
What people want to see is a maxed out character going against another maxed out character, that's simple curiosity and what u guys are saying is "forget bout curiosity, the sp system isn't designed to be maxed out.. we don't want people to max out their characters" This guy would like to have a word with you.
Do not expect anyone to cap a character out anytime soon or even at all as CCP will add a bunch of new stuff and skills to maybe even double the amount of SP in the next years. Maxing out is pretty much impossible by design to emphasize the "specialize" nature if the skill system. This is not a grind to power EXP LVL game. It's a choices get meaning through invested time game.
Edit:Skill boosters, by their very nature appeal the most to people who don't understand or agree with the mentioned concept and i would supect that giving them these stronger boosters might lead to them paying more for the stronger boosters but also stop buying earlier because they don't see the purpose of generalization stop seeing SP as worth paying money for. Add this to the potentionally harmfull effect of the game beeing viewed as "pay to win" and you end up sabotaging your own business
Also you can have completely equal skill battles. Take two proto suits with relevant core skills and their respective weapon and module skills maxed and you get your capped on capped fight. The wonderfull thing is they can use completely different guns suits and fits and have points invested in completely different branches and still have a fair fight. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.19 22:41:00 -
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Thank you for your comments everyone and Malkai Inos, I'm beginning to see things a little differently.
This game is a lot like life.
We all want to do everything and get to places as fast as we can so we forget that the most important thing is the journey. :) |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:12:00 -
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DRE PrEaCh wrote:Thank you for your comments everyone and Malkai Inos, I'm beginning to see things a little differently.
This game is a lot like life.
We all want to do everything and get to places as fast as we can so we forget that the most important thing is the journey. :) Don't mention it . Always glad to provide input.
On the subject: I'd really like to get a statement from IWS or the others as to what points the CPM wants to talk about, with respect to these new boosters. I think it's quite a complex and important subject that warrants at least a little "synchronization" with the community, given that they will probably become the go to item for the most dedicated, once they set foot on the market. |
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Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
148
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:22:00 -
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I think a 2x or 3x booster would be ok. They only thing it would do is allow you to spec faster but you can't gain more power than someone that is already specced into something. I mean a 3x booster isn't going to allow you to skill up to level 6. Just helps you get to 5 faster. That is exactly what AUR is for. They even advertise it in every pregame lobby. "Be the merc of tomorrow today, use AURUM." Anyone against better boosters just wants to hang onto their SP advantage as long as they can because that is the only way they can win. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:00:00 -
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I demand optional AURUM skills to spec stuff up to lvl 10. every lvl should cost about 5k aurum
Definition of "pay to win": the only way to win is to pay for it.
Just because somebody can pay to do stuff faster is not P2W. It's just P2DSF (do stuff faster). You'll eventually get there a lil later :) |
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