So, you're an IMP alt?

Bragging about a kill total in a very old and unpolished build? No one is impressed. Changing skills every time there is a respec? You eventually you're going to be stuck with something. Warning us to look out? I'd be more worried about the tankers who have been continuously doing it for months now, not someone who's making it her flavor of the month. And to add to that tanks are so weak that its hard to really be afraid of them in the first place.

I guess I don't understand the point of this topic, but enjoy nonetheless. I look forward to watching yours and many others tank explode into glorious flames.

Are you asking to see how Jenza answers, or because you legitimately don't know?

Because I've tested and run the numbers and confirmed how they work.

If you want the explanation, just ask. Or search, I've posted details on the forum in at least 2 threads already. It's not really any different from EVE, actually.

Cool.

First thing we'll do if we ever see you is call in my BPO LAV with an advanced turret. My gunner will be a dragonfly scout with a militia swarm or a dren swarm. I will be a dren sentinel with a militia forge.

Then we'll run into the red zone and orbit you faster than your turret will spin and buzz back into the blue zone. It depends on the terrain you camp in- I suggest really rough ground so we can't do this. Once we are done messing with you, or you kill us (in which case we will rinse and repeat to the grand tune of $25k ISK tops- due ot the advanced turret). That will just serve to unnerve you.

Finally, or originally, we'll park our LAV so you can barely see it and pick you off with the turret. Then we'll ditch the LAV and rock you with a forge and a swarm every few seconds.

We'll do it as long as you bring a tank in :)

But, even since closed beta I've never seen Jenza in a game so...

Would anyone like to set up a CB with Jenza? It will be Jenza's tank and 5 infantry of her choice against a squad of 6 with 1 swarm and 1 forge. If jenza manages to get more than 20 kills with a BLASTER or MISSILE LAUNCHER while not dying once, tanks are fine. If she dies, gets less than 20 kills, uses a railgun, recalls her tank, or hides for more than 3 minutes total throughout the match, tanks are broken and she has to bring it up. Anyone want to place bets?

Okay, I started tanking around February, or right after chromosome was released, and it was HARD, then. Maybe 20 tankers could make a living purely off of tanks at that point. Now, it's even harder. At least half of them have stopped tanking now because it is THAT hard. These were guys who could survive an entire squad of dedicated AV and still get a few kills. That is completely impossible, now. If you even show your face, you will die. I can't even name ten REALLY good tankers that are left. I'm barely breaking even at this point and that's ridiculous.

Jenza, I won't troll you or tell you that you suck because I wasn't there, but tanking is very different now. If vehicles ever get fixed, the tankers who come out of it will be the survivors of a mass extinction- the best of the best.

I urge you to spec fully into shield tanks to see how useless they are in tank v tank combat. And armor tanks are pretty useless in infantry combat because of the number of AV nades there are (a squad of 6 is capable of 27,000 damage over 3 seconds if they all have the hacked adv av nades).

If you can survive 7 battles in a row without losing a tank (using a blaster or missile tank), then go ahead and say tanks are fine. But if you can't then tanks are obviously terrible because one could have vehicle skills completely maxed out and still be extremely weak. It's a pointless career, now.

We've lost everything. I made this post earlier:

I would also like to remind the Council that we have lost our 3% damage bonus, 25% of our potential PG, and the 10% resistance "buff" skill doesn't matter if AV got the same buff to their damage without investing skill points. Also want to point out that everybody has thousands of hacked ADV Av grenades which deal 1500 dmg without any skill or investment of any kind into AV and only cost 2000 ISK, as well as proto forges which 2-shot any vehicle in the game, and swarm laucnhers which still make >90 degree turns. Then combine all of that with railguns and missile turrets which don't always fire wen you press R1, tanks which cost 1.2 million isk, dropships that rarely last a whole match even in skilled hands, suicide free LAVs, shield hardeners with a 10 second pulse, mlt swarms which make madrugars run for their lives, a squad capable of doing 27,000 DPS in 3 seconds (AV nades carried by every team member), and last but not least, tanks that move too slowly to get away (thanks to the speed nerf of the HAVs).

Make this a real game mode now! Omg so want to play this.

Throw an armour tank in their too.

Yea, playing against Psychotic's tank is a pain, I just dont bother calling in my shield tank when hes around.

yes he certainly knows his armor and yes neither do i unless he specifically asks me not to ..lol ...to be honest if tanks arent fixxed ima start running ina six man squad of all tankers

Meh why are we complaining? We complain when theres no Vehicle player in CCP and when someone wants to check it out to see how it is and we complain again. Ya'll don't have to take offense and pick up pitchforks when she talks about E3, doesn't matter. Means we have someone from CPM doing **** in tanks and if anything, should be offering support, squads and other **** so that we can fix these pieces of junk for once.

She has basically admitted to allowing the CPM to stealth nerf us, with change of the turret skills. If none of them were even driving in vehicles to start with, why the hell are they changing our skills around like its no big deal?

the CPM is about as honest and open with us as the U.S. Government, and prolly just as useless.

Jason. It is better to do nothing that have someone do something that knows nothing about the topic. Vehicles are my bread and butter. I love them. Biggest reason why I joined dust. I have watch CCP take in information from people who lack knowledge on the subjects and things get changed for the worse.

Trying to teach jenza is not going to be possible. It is not her passion. She will not pick up everything you talk to her about. And important factors will be left out that might not seem important. Causing fixes to actually break mechanics instead of make them better. SO yes I do not agree with her talking to CCP about tanks. Her passions are elsewhere in the game. her knowledge is elsewhere. CCP needs to talk to people who truely understand the mechanics. So they can fix them build them up and diversify tanking. Currently Tanking is getting mashed into one style and with jenza you might get a buff but the diversifications would be left out. Making it boring.

I feel like tanks are becoming a sitcom.

Caeili is like the smart guy. The one who does the math and can give you numbers on what is actually going on. Slap too, but kind of has that grumpy old man vibe to him. Then you've got me and Mort who are probably to most vocal, but rarely use numbers to explain ourselves and get told to HTFU on a regular vasis by AR scrubs. Finally, we've got Jason Pearson who is about is vocal as me or mort, but more on the psotive side. And of course General Grodd who is the only one of us left that believes tanks will make a come back. Then zombie supreme will chime in every now and again with a complaint here or there, but still, pales in comparison with me or mort as far as unrefined forum whining goes. Lol. I'm a whiner. I admit it. But I have good reason to whine. :P NERF DROPSUIT PG, DAMAGE, AND CPU and double module/weapon CPU/PG costs. Then everything will be even. Hahaha. Im just a bitter tanker :/

We need to make a youtube channel called: "Salty 'Ol Tankers"

Well that goes without saying, doesn't it? I mean, for those of you who know me, and if you spend at least 30 minutes on the forums a day I'm sure you do, can anyone name a day I haven't posted about tanks? I can't. Same goes for Mort...well, sorta, what she lacks in quantity she makes up for in quality. Mine are usually a few sentances and hers are long. But still. I like to think of myself as the suppressing fire of the tank community with her as the sniper. Then Caeli is like the guys in the lab and general grodd is a puppy and over to our left is an antique Ming Vase. I like girls.

Having a preview and feeling for the game and perhaps inside insight, HAV is prob a good choice for anyone not wanting to adjust to the current ground mechanics.

Cuz we all know CCP love redundant threads.

i like how we finally get a response from CCP and it has nothing to do with tanks.

You cannot disclose any details about the closed beta! (is still protected by the User Agreement that you've signed) Please refrain to post such information here.

Thanks.

So the appropriate response is to turn the CPMs into punching bags, well done...well done....

(not that they done deserve it some time, that Iron Wolf Saber has some zingers that are really insulting [and entertaining to the rest of us])

incorrect statement should not be made by a gm period. clearly he doesnt care or play this game as the lifting of the nda or nondisclosure act a legal binding on the prior closed beta pre jan 13, was a huge deal that is why we can now record and post battle videos good advice online. this ca only happen once the beta is made open to the public...i.e open beta ..this happened in January. it is a transition between two different periods of the game and it has already occurred.i am not trying to be mean or offensive im am just pointing out a wrong statement and my feelings that someone in a role of power and authority in the production of a game any game. but more so dust as it is amazing and has such potential should not be making such mistakes. no one i know or play dust 514 with would have ever made that statement. and they would not be nearly as friendly as i am in how they pointed it out.