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Rich o
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 09:48:00 -
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I followed this forum since almost the beginning and all I can see is "nerf this", "nerf that", "this is OP", "that is OP". It's getting ridiculous guys and it seems there is no end at that tunnel. A short timeline:
- I can shoot infantry with my swarm launcher, ergo it's OP > nerf it - Almost everyone uses the AR and it's OP > nerf it - Oh, the mass driver does a lot of splash damage and kills people > nerf it - The scrambler pistol does way to much damage > nerf it - Again the majority uses the AR, therefore it MUST be OP > nerf it - Grenades are OP, you can throw them almost 50m > nerf them - The HMG can kill 3 proto-guys with only 1 mag > nerf it - The HMG can shoot 100m > nerf it - The laser does too much damage and can melt a heavy in short time when used correctly > nerf it - There again: a lot of ARs running around, killing people easily with their Duvolle > nerf it - Tanks are too strong and can't be one-grenaded > nerf them - Sniper rifles do alot of damage > nerf them - Forge guns are too strong > nerf them - AV nades are OP > nerf them - TAR is too powerfulo > nerf it
There indeed are/were some weapons which did too well, but there always will be. One nerf leads to another. It is pretty clear that most people use the AR, as it is easy to handle and it is obvious that the TAR is the most powerful among them. But what then? Will the Scrambler Rifle become OP? Or the Plasma Cannon? I don't want to criticize justified nerfs (such as the TAR-modded-controller-issue), but alot of the requested nerfs are just because people are helpless and do not know how to tackle them. There is just one thing I have to say to those player: HTFU or GTFO. If you want a God-Mode go play some Half-Life
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.05.18 09:51:00 -
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Rich o wrote: - The HMG can kill 3 proto-guys with only 1 mag > nerf it - The HMG can shoot 100m > nerf it
Link me these threads.... |
Rich o
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
24
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:13:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Rich o wrote: - The HMG can kill 3 proto-guys with only 1 mag > nerf it - The HMG can shoot 100m > nerf it
Link me these threads.... some of the numbers are exaggerated, but thats not the point of the whole thing |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
300
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:16:00 -
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Rich o wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Rich o wrote: - The HMG can kill 3 proto-guys with only 1 mag > nerf it - The HMG can shoot 100m > nerf it
Link me these threads.... some of the numbers are exaggerated, but thats not the point of the whole thing I'm sorry - but HMG is all that matters to me - and you're already lying about that to prove your point.
If you call that exaggeration then I call this thread crap. Don't lie to prove a point. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
526
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:20:00 -
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The Ten Commandments Of Nerf And Buff Requests |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
521
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:40:00 -
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I posted this almost 7 months ago and we're getting closer and closer to it every day.
Couldn't agree with the OP more. Always reassuring to see at least some people on the forums have some damn sense. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
84
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:24:00 -
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I remember those first builds. They were awesome when everything seemed OP so it balanced out but it sure was fun. I miss those days when all weapons were feared. |
Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:28:00 -
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The problem with the swarm launcher wasn't the dumb-fire option, it was that the user took no damage for what would have been, sensibly, a suicide shot. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
240
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:35:00 -
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Gemini Reynolds wrote:The problem with the swarm launcher wasn't the dumb-fire option, it was that the user took no damage for what would have been, sensibly, a suicide shot.
No it was definitely the dumbfire option :D. But there were no heavies back then so if you ran around a corner and faced one of these things, it was like turning the corner and seeing a well fitted heavy.
Or the militia vehicles that were 100% FREE, remember that? |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
373
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:03:00 -
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+1
Also, PILLOW FIGHT! |
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Brian Logi62B
Regime Of Shadow Marines
0
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:13:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Rich o wrote: - The HMG can kill 3 proto-guys with only 1 mag > nerf it - The HMG can shoot 100m > nerf it
Link me these threads....
Back in the early builds a basic HMG could do 3000 damage with one mag. A fitted for max damage HMG could do 5000+ damage with one mag. HMG ruled the early builds.
The theads with that info are long gone. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
291
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:51:00 -
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SoTa of PoP wrote:If you call that exaggeration then I call this thread crap. Don't lie to prove a point.
Are you seriously going to suggest that the forums have not been a QQ fest with people crying about anything that can kill and suggesting it must be OP?
Or, are you just trolling again? |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:54:00 -
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Smells like a hidden "Don't nerf TAR" thread. Notice how he kept it for last. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
1538
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:10:00 -
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Yeah....pretty sure all those nerfs were warranted. I played heavy back in E3, and it was god-mode. I used AR with my logi for every build after that(breach was god mode) and the TAR nerf is warranted now as well. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:12:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:If you call that exaggeration then I call this thread crap. Don't lie to prove a point. Are you seriously going to suggest that the forums have not been a QQ fest with people crying about anything that can kill and suggesting it must be OP? Or, are you just trolling again? I am suggesting that using half facts and smoke and mirrors to prove your point will eventually derail all your hopes of positive feedback into trolling.
Not to mention this thread has been done a thousand times... |
Lonnar
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:13:00 -
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I seriously hope the OP doesn't think this will end the QQ war.
Something everyone has to keep in mind is that threads like this where we try to knock some sense into other people don't work all too well. There will always be QQers, just as there will always be people with sense enough to look at the bigger picture. As I point out here in this thread there are too few people who actually take the time to look at how everything actually works before jumping onto the Nerf wagon.
I regret to inform you OP, although valiant in your attempt, it won't do much good. This game's community is largely (I say largely, not entirely) filled with CoD and Battlefield babies who can't grasp how big of a game this is. And now that the game has gone full launch, we're going to be flooded with those kinds of newberries. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:14:00 -
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I remember before Chromosome when HAVs and missiles had their speed and accuracy reduced because everybody cried OP BECAUSE they didn't bother spending SP to counter them. Now HAVs are in the shitter and missiles are trying to make a sore comeback but can never get back up to an equal playing field. |
Rich o
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
29
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:36:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Smells like a hidden "Don't nerf TAR" thread. Notice how he kept it for last. Only because of its actuality - I don't mind if the TAR will be nerfed
Lonnar wrote:I seriously hope the OP doesn't think this will end the QQ war. Something everyone has to keep in mind is that threads like this where we try to knock some sense into other people don't work all too well. There will always be QQers, just as there will always be people with sense enough to look at the bigger picture. As I point out here in this thread there are too few people who actually take the time to look at how everything actually works before jumping onto the Nerf wagon. I regret to inform you OP, although valiant in your attempt, it won't do much good. This game's community is largely (I say largely, not entirely) filled with CoD and Battlefield babies who can't grasp how big of a game this is. And now that the game has gone full launch, we're going to be flooded with those kinds of newberries. I'm aware that this thread won't change the current situation, just had to get this off my chest. But it's good to know that there are people out there who actually test the material they want to nerf - I really appreaciate that |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1680
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:38:00 -
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HMG can kill 3 Proto suits???
When was this? By the time everyone got Proto suits they were laughing at heavies lol |
Lonnar
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:45:00 -
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Rich o wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Smells like a hidden "Don't nerf TAR" thread. Notice how he kept it for last. Only because of its actuality - I don't mind if the TAR will be nerfed Lonnar wrote:I seriously hope the OP doesn't think this will end the QQ war. Something everyone has to keep in mind is that threads like this where we try to knock some sense into other people don't work all too well. There will always be QQers, just as there will always be people with sense enough to look at the bigger picture. As I point out here in this thread there are too few people who actually take the time to look at how everything actually works before jumping onto the Nerf wagon. I regret to inform you OP, although valiant in your attempt, it won't do much good. This game's community is largely (I say largely, not entirely) filled with CoD and Battlefield babies who can't grasp how big of a game this is. And now that the game has gone full launch, we're going to be flooded with those kinds of newberries. I'm aware that this thread won't change the current situation, just had to get this off my chest. But it's good to know that there are people out there who actually test the material they want to nerf - I really appreaciate that
It's actually less a matter of testing and more a matter of open-mindedness in my personal case. To be perfectly honest, I've never tried the Scrambler Rifle, Forge Gun, HMG and a rather extensive list of weapons as well. But when I see a Militia Assault Rifle take me down, I remember that I'm also wearing a Militia Suit ... so easy death is a given. I also try to think about how my own fit compares to that of the guy who killed me, and the weapon used.
But again ... my own personal way of thinking is moot against that of the general populace.
Always nice to get some stuff off your chest when you're frustrated. But might I suggest starting a blog instead? Meaning absolutely no offense, but a useless topic pushes down the rare good topics where actual, meaningful feedback/discussions are being posted.
As an apology for being an ass, here's some awesome music to chill out to while you shoot some newberry heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zmCYLqdlQA |
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Brian Logi62B
Regime Of Shadow Marines
1
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:05:00 -
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When I read all these post about this balance and that nerf. One thing always springs to mind. The Simpsons, when Homer is allowed to design a car. I say go with the vision/design only a few people. Design by committee is always a disaster. |
Slightly-Mental
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:43:00 -
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Rich o wrote:I followed this forum since almost the beginning and all I can see is "nerf this", "nerf that", "this is OP", "that is OP". It's getting ridiculous guys and it seems there is no end at that tunnel. A short timeline:
- I can shoot infantry with my swarm launcher, ergo it's OP > nerf it - Almost everyone uses the AR and it's OP > nerf it - Oh, the mass driver does a lot of splash damage and kills people > nerf it - The scrambler pistol does way to much damage > nerf it - Again the majority uses the AR, therefore it MUST be OP > nerf it - Grenades are OP, you can throw them almost 50m > nerf them - The HMG can kill 3 proto-guys with only 1 mag > nerf it - The HMG can shoot 100m > nerf it - The laser does too much damage and can melt a heavy in short time when used correctly > nerf it - There again: a lot of ARs running around, killing people easily with their Duvolle > nerf it - Tanks are too strong and can't be one-grenaded > nerf them - Sniper rifles do alot of damage > nerf them - Forge guns are too strong > nerf them - AV nades are OP > nerf them - TAR is too powerfulo > nerf it
There indeed are/were some weapons which did too well, but there always will be. One nerf leads to another. It is pretty clear that most people use the AR, as it is easy to handle and it is obvious that the TAR is the most powerful among them. But what then? Will the Scrambler Rifle become OP? Or the Plasma Cannon? I don't want to criticize justified nerfs (such as the TAR-modded-controller-issue), but alot of the requested nerfs are just because people are helpless and do not know how to tackle them. There is just one thing I have to say to those player: HTFU or GTFO. If you want a God-Mode go play some Half-Life
EDIT: some of the numbers are exaggerated, but thats not the point of the whole thing
+1
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