DUST Search - Awarding more SP for PC battles!!

semperfi1999 wrote:

BL4CK FRIAR wrote:

GoD-NoVa wrote:

BL4CK FRIAR wrote:

I hate getting pub stomped by you guys, and I do groan every time I see a stack of you guys in the same game as me, on the opposite side, but this is a silly idea. PC gives your corps big money, big money to get you into another territorial rush, free proto's or freebie tanks provided by your corps, why would this also pad your skills. When things like Faction Warfare (which is a money maker in Eve) has no benefits yet, why should PC offer not only great payouts for the winner and an SP boost?

If we were talking about a game that was more fleshed out for all play styles (Drone NPC Missions for the carebears much like mining for Eve carebears, Faction Warfare with actual meaning and rewards for the middle ground aswell as pub matches, and PC for the "null sec l337" players) then perhaps. But right now, with so few districts and such a high monetary hurdle to overcome to even get into PC, throwing on a SP hurdle will only hurt your game, actually all of our games, in the long run.

no im not talking about PC giving us increased SP gain on top of what we already get. what i mean is this......as soon as the reset happens on wednesday, if a play 6-10 PC battles during that week then i should be able to cap out on sp. this only means that i would cap out very early. once i cap out then every other battle should reward the normal 1000-1500 sp

And I understand that, but it will still be an unfair skill progression for those with versus those without. I know you, you are a good player, but I will assume that as things are now you usually cap out about Saturday or Sunday right? Two days of 1k-1.5k SP, and yes I know this sucks as you feel like you are doing sod all for two days or so, but we all run into this issue to some degree, but if PC allows you to cap out earlier you are not only getting your SP cap, but increasing the time you have to grind out the 1k-1.5k SP, thus multiplying how much SP you can get versus what those without can.

Yes because its so much better to AFK your SP than to just play 10 games of PC to cap out........ Roll

Seriously this would be a good idea as it would be a way to slow down the whole AFK problem.

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GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 302	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:18:00 - [1] - Quote Planetary Conquest battle should reward 20-30k or more SP. These battles are where most of the "Core" corp are having fun. I believe PC can help separate core corps from pubs if they get more than enough SP from PC battles. I mean if a were able to cap out on SP just from PC battles i wouldn't spend a second in pub matches. I should be able to play 5-10 PC battles a week and cap out on SP instead of grinding away in boring pub matches.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1487	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:30:00 - [2] - Quote make this happen. I'm tired of grinding in pubs.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 803	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:32:00 - [3] - Quote Agreed. There's nothing worse than having to take a break from the fun part of a game because it's now "grind the bad parts of the game just for character progression" time.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 175	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:59:00 - [4] - Quote I get the impression that PC battles have enough rewards already, why increase the SP awarded? The reward for PC should be from the fact that you become in essence "landed nobility", that is reward enough.
NOT slap26 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:32:00 - [5] - Quote +1
Jimbeezys ReGnUM Alt Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:32:00 - [6] - Quote I approve of this
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 803	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:33:00 - [7] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: I get the impression that PC battles have enough rewards already, why increase the SP awarded? The reward for PC should be from the fact that you become in essence "landed nobility", that is reward enough. The point is people want PC to be a viable way to play the game, including progressing their character, not play PC and then have to screw around with your 10 hours of pub matches per week to get your SP.
BLAZ3 X Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 23	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:34:00 - [8] - Quote i agree that wud elimnate this feeling like a job factor lol n more of a actual game
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 533	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:36:00 - [9] - Quote I approve +over 9000!!!!!!
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3168	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:36:00 - [10] - Quote +1

Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 404	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:38:00 - [11] - Quote Yah very needed to end the pubstomp boredom
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 175	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:44:00 - [12] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: I get the impression that PC battles have enough rewards already, why increase the SP awarded? The reward for PC should be from the fact that you become in essence "landed nobility", that is reward enough. The point is people want PC to be a viable way to play the game, including progressing their character, not play PC and then have to screw around with your 10 hours of pub matches per week to get your SP. Your character will still progress, besides isn't SP just a crutch? Isn't "l33t gungame skillz" all that is needed? You'd think that with all of the pre-PC bluster of how busy IE would be with PC, you wouldn't need to worry about anything else.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 196	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:13:00 - [13] - Quote I agree, pub stomping is not fun for vet players or for players learning the game. Either that or allow us to form full teams for faction warfare instead of forcing us to q sync.
Southpaw Gamer The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 17	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:19:00 - [14] - Quote I created a thread speaking of several of the matters brought up in this thread. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78514&find=unread
ECHO PACK GamersForChrist 51	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:29:00 - [15] - Quote this would be great for people who have no time to grind
SoTa ReGnUM PoP Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:55:00 - [16] - Quote Me and my kind fully support this.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1402	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:36:00 - [17] - Quote Hmm.... Yeah I think rewarding PC higher to get people out of Pubs would only benefit this game. +1
BL4CK FRIAR HDYLTA 55	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:47:00 - [18] - Quote I hate getting pub stomped by you guys, and I do groan every time I see a stack of you guys in the same game as me, on the opposite side, but this is a silly idea. PC gives your corps big money, big money to get you into another territorial rush, free proto's or freebie tanks provided by your corps, why would this also pad your skills. When things like Faction Warfare (which is a money maker in Eve) has no benefits yet, why should PC offer not only great payouts for the winner and an SP boost? If we were talking about a game that was more fleshed out for all play styles (Drone NPC Missions for the carebears much like mining for Eve carebears, Faction Warfare with actual meaning and rewards for the middle ground aswell as pub matches, and PC for the "null sec l337" players) then perhaps. But right now, with so few districts and such a high monetary hurdle to overcome to even get into PC, throwing on a SP hurdle will only hurt your game, actually all of our games, in the long run.
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 319	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:04:00 - [19] - Quote BL4CK FRIAR wrote: I hate getting pub stomped by you guys, and I do groan every time I see a stack of you guys in the same game as me, on the opposite side, but this is a silly idea. PC gives your corps big money, big money to get you into another territorial rush, free proto's or freebie tanks provided by your corps, why would this also pad your skills. When things like Faction Warfare (which is a money maker in Eve) has no benefits yet, why should PC offer not only great payouts for the winner and an SP boost? If we were talking about a game that was more fleshed out for all play styles (Drone NPC Missions for the carebears much like mining for Eve carebears, Faction Warfare with actual meaning and rewards for the middle ground aswell as pub matches, and PC for the "null sec l337" players) then perhaps. But right now, with so few districts and such a high monetary hurdle to overcome to even get into PC, throwing on a SP hurdle will only hurt your game, actually all of our games, in the long run. no im not talking about PC giving us increased SP gain on top of what we already get. what i mean is this......as soon as the reset happens on wednesday, if a play 6-10 PC battles during that week then i should be able to cap out on sp. this only means that i would cap out very early. once i cap out then every other battle should reward the normal 1000-1500 sp
BL4CK FRIAR HDYLTA 56	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:12:00 - [20] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: BL4CK FRIAR wrote: I hate getting pub stomped by you guys, and I do groan every time I see a stack of you guys in the same game as me, on the opposite side, but this is a silly idea. PC gives your corps big money, big money to get you into another territorial rush, free proto's or freebie tanks provided by your corps, why would this also pad your skills. When things like Faction Warfare (which is a money maker in Eve) has no benefits yet, why should PC offer not only great payouts for the winner and an SP boost? If we were talking about a game that was more fleshed out for all play styles (Drone NPC Missions for the carebears much like mining for Eve carebears, Faction Warfare with actual meaning and rewards for the middle ground aswell as pub matches, and PC for the "null sec l337" players) then perhaps. But right now, with so few districts and such a high monetary hurdle to overcome to even get into PC, throwing on a SP hurdle will only hurt your game, actually all of our games, in the long run. no im not talking about PC giving us increased SP gain on top of what we already get. what i mean is this......as soon as the reset happens on wednesday, if a play 6-10 PC battles during that week then i should be able to cap out on sp. this only means that i would cap out very early. once i cap out then every other battle should reward the normal 1000-1500 sp And I understand that, but it will still be an unfair skill progression for those with versus those without. I know you, you are a good player, but I will assume that as things are now you usually cap out about Saturday or Sunday right? Two days of 1k-1.5k SP, and yes I know this sucks as you feel like you are doing sod all for two days or so, but we all run into this issue to some degree, but if PC allows you to cap out earlier you are not only getting your SP cap, but increasing the time you have to grind out the 1k-1.5k SP, thus multiplying how much SP you can get versus what those without can.

Tankin Tarkus Quafe Runners 14	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:16:00 - [21] - Quote several ppl i know already cap out on the first day or 2 anyways so not sure how it really matters
BL4CK FRIAR HDYLTA 56	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:21:00 - [22] - Quote Tankin Tarkus wrote: several ppl i know already cap out on the first day or 2 anyways so not sure how it really matters And I knew a guy with cancer in Eve that didnt work and could make 1 billion isk at least a week running missions in his all officer fit Rattlesnake, but he isn't the norm.
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 324	Posted - 2013.05.18 14:49:00 - [23] - Quote trying to cap on the first day is like being forced fed till you're fat and ready for marriage
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 453	Posted - 2013.05.18 14:55:00 - [24] - Quote BL4CK FRIAR wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: BL4CK FRIAR wrote: I hate getting pub stomped by you guys, and I do groan every time I see a stack of you guys in the same game as me, on the opposite side, but this is a silly idea. PC gives your corps big money, big money to get you into another territorial rush, free proto's or freebie tanks provided by your corps, why would this also pad your skills. When things like Faction Warfare (which is a money maker in Eve) has no benefits yet, why should PC offer not only great payouts for the winner and an SP boost? If we were talking about a game that was more fleshed out for all play styles (Drone NPC Missions for the carebears much like mining for Eve carebears, Faction Warfare with actual meaning and rewards for the middle ground aswell as pub matches, and PC for the "null sec l337" players) then perhaps. But right now, with so few districts and such a high monetary hurdle to overcome to even get into PC, throwing on a SP hurdle will only hurt your game, actually all of our games, in the long run. no im not talking about PC giving us increased SP gain on top of what we already get. what i mean is this......as soon as the reset happens on wednesday, if a play 6-10 PC battles during that week then i should be able to cap out on sp. this only means that i would cap out very early. once i cap out then every other battle should reward the normal 1000-1500 sp And I understand that, but it will still be an unfair skill progression for those with versus those without. I know you, you are a good player, but I will assume that as things are now you usually cap out about Saturday or Sunday right? Two days of 1k-1.5k SP, and yes I know this sucks as you feel like you are doing sod all for two days or so, but we all run into this issue to some degree, but if PC allows you to cap out earlier you are not only getting your SP cap, but increasing the time you have to grind out the 1k-1.5k SP, thus multiplying how much SP you can get versus what those without can. Yes because its so much better to AFK your SP than to just play 10 games of PC to cap out........ Seriously this would be a good idea as it would be a way to slow down the whole AFK problem.
ALMIGHTY STATIUS Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 15	Posted - 2013.05.18 16:28:00 - [25] - Quote this is pretty supported CCP, you should do it.
Terry Webber Turalyon Plus 74	Posted - 2013.05.18 16:40:00 - [26] - Quote You have my support, OP, but I think the SP gains in PC should be lower than what you suggested.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 175	Posted - 2013.05.18 18:37:00 - [27] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: BL4CK FRIAR wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: BL4CK FRIAR wrote: I hate getting pub stomped by you guys, and I do groan every time I see a stack of you guys in the same game as me, on the opposite side, but this is a silly idea. PC gives your corps big money, big money to get you into another territorial rush, free proto's or freebie tanks provided by your corps, why would this also pad your skills. When things like Faction Warfare (which is a money maker in Eve) has no benefits yet, why should PC offer not only great payouts for the winner and an SP boost? If we were talking about a game that was more fleshed out for all play styles (Drone NPC Missions for the carebears much like mining for Eve carebears, Faction Warfare with actual meaning and rewards for the middle ground aswell as pub matches, and PC for the "null sec l337" players) then perhaps. But right now, with so few districts and such a high monetary hurdle to overcome to even get into PC, throwing on a SP hurdle will only hurt your game, actually all of our games, in the long run. no im not talking about PC giving us increased SP gain on top of what we already get. what i mean is this......as soon as the reset happens on wednesday, if a play 6-10 PC battles during that week then i should be able to cap out on sp. this only means that i would cap out very early. once i cap out then every other battle should reward the normal 1000-1500 sp And I understand that, but it will still be an unfair skill progression for those with versus those without. I know you, you are a good player, but I will assume that as things are now you usually cap out about Saturday or Sunday right? Two days of 1k-1.5k SP, and yes I know this sucks as you feel like you are doing sod all for two days or so, but we all run into this issue to some degree, but if PC allows you to cap out earlier you are not only getting your SP cap, but increasing the time you have to grind out the 1k-1.5k SP, thus multiplying how much SP you can get versus what those without can. Yes because its so much better to AFK your SP than to just play 10 games of PC to cap out........ Seriously this would be a good idea as it would be a way to slow down the whole AFK problem. If you don't think the game is worth more than AFKing, don't play it. When I start up Dust on my PS3, I play the game I started (aside from the times I fall asleep or get pulled AFK while in my MQ). Don't use "It'll stop AFKers" as an excuse to pile on even more rewards to PC (especially since we still have no rewards for FW aside from those found in pubs).
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 101	Posted - 2013.05.18 18:46:00 - [28] - Quote Well, I want 30k SP for every pub match I play, too. Because I don't like to grind for SP either. Make it happen CCP
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 944	Posted - 2013.05.18 19:07:00 - [29] - Quote My knee-jerk reaction was "no", but after I thought a bit, I think you are right. +1
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 329	Posted - 2013.05.19 06:10:00 - [30] - Quote this idea would help smaller corps as well, the ones who can't own districts but are good enough to attack other corps

Rekon Syport ZionTCD Unclaimed. 10	Posted - 2013.05.19 08:05:00 - [31] - Quote This would kill almost every player other than those 16 people each Corp has play every single PC match and make it so elitist you can all stand around in a circle and well. . you get the idea. And the gap gets wider and wider while your player base gets smaller and smaller all while playing the game less and less weekly. Pure Genius!! But it's cool, now PUBS have extra AKFin noobs to make up for the hours extra they HAVE to dedicate over the Proto established players (more the PC player Bro System) who now freed up time to go play EvE or w/e while the noobs are AFK'ing because they have busy lives which kept them from proto'ing it up in the first place before cause they can't reach cap already. AWESOME! So we now have two class of players, PC and AFK matches for those trying to keep up with the PC'ers should they ever cross paths. Both of which are just trying to limit how much they HAVE to play this game. That seems to be where the problem lies doesn't it. Having to play the game. . . Or the Corp is bigger than they need for PC until the place gets larger.. In fairness I suppose the big Corps could break down into smaller sub Corps so 40 guys aren't figting over who gets into those 16 slots for the day, but we still need more planets. Or increase the number of planets for PC and limit the number any single person can participate in one. Or give similar options to groups teaming and going into FW in the PC offtime. Hell make it rewarding only only grant it to winning sides. Get us off PUBS and get the mainstream player into FW on a regular rotation while the A Teams run PC. I could see this as a benefit in that you can now spend more time on ALTs and run different set ups and have more diverse experience across the 3 accounts. Gets around that "Can't spend enough SP all over the place to own everything" problem


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